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IronFistedChampion said:
It's kinda based on your preferences, but this is kinda what I thought they excelled at and were the most well-rounded in:
Lightning - Commando
Snow - Sentinel and Commando
Vanille - Medic and Saboteur
Sazh - Synergist
Hope - Medic and Ravager
Fang - Commando and Saboteur
I felt Lightning only got really great at being a Commando, but she makes up for it by being extremely versatile, arguably moreso than everyone else. Her HP maxes out at a "respectable" 20,000, she has high but balanced Strength and Magic stats, and she's about "mid-tier" in every role besides Commando.
I felt Sazh only got really great at being a Synergist, but he has the second highest HP of the group, and is about low or mid-tier in all his other roles.
Of course, you're probably going to want to mix things up a bit. Personally I leveled up one role at a time. First the one I thought they were best in, then the other two, switching when I reached the level cap for a role. When I learned the extra roles I waited until I mastered the original three, then moved on to those.
Dedication Through Light
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Rpgmonkey said:
I ended up having Lightning serve as a Ravager since those magic elemental skills were excellent (and also I like it when my characters use flashy moves), which seemed to work well with Lightning and Hope as Ravagers, and Fang as a Commando, for the Relentless Assault paradigm which I probably used 75% of the game and used for every boss.
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Bingo.Alex said:
I would rather just manually control my party with no AI period. That's why VI-X had the best battle systems in the series. And it just sucks, as much as I like XIII, that I'm not getting my traditional Final Fantasy experience in the FNC, as XIII was supposed to be that, but clearly, it didn't turn out that way.
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FuttBuck said:
Himuro said:
*smh*
Is it so hard to enjoy both linear & non-linear design in a game?
It has to be only one or another with some it seems.
Just finished the game's story today, and I really enjoyed it. Definitely my favorite FF game since VIII. Chapter 11 was amazing, and I'll head back now to have more fun. I only have two real complaints about the game.
First is the inability to switch the character you control. It wouldn't really be necessary except for the terrible gimmick of getting a game over with only one of your characters dying. I can't believe anyone could have thought that was a good idea. I can't think of any way that switching characters would hurt the game play, and it seems like such a simple thing to implement. Maybe they wanted to force players to be more defensive or something, but there had to be better ways to do that. The battle system in general is easily one of the most fun I've played though, and far better than anything else in the FF series. I didn't think all that much of it until the Snow/Hope section that forced you to do something other than attack-attack-attack, but from then on it was just great.
And my second issue was the absolutely horrible ending theme song, that just sucked any possible magic out of the game's ending. I looked up the Japanese version just now, and while it's nothing spectacular either, it's still leagues better than that crap. The game had such beautiful vocal songs all throughout too (the one theme that's repeated throughout the game, and also the one at the waterfall cavern). I really don't understand how they managed to screw that up so badly.
Anyway, I'll get back to some missions now. Random kill quests have never been so fun.
First is the inability to switch the character you control. It wouldn't really be necessary except for the terrible gimmick of getting a game over with only one of your characters dying. I can't believe anyone could have thought that was a good idea. I can't think of any way that switching characters would hurt the game play, and it seems like such a simple thing to implement. Maybe they wanted to force players to be more defensive or something, but there had to be better ways to do that. The battle system in general is easily one of the most fun I've played though, and far better than anything else in the FF series. I didn't think all that much of it until the Snow/Hope section that forced you to do something other than attack-attack-attack, but from then on it was just great.
And my second issue was the absolutely horrible ending theme song, that just sucked any possible magic out of the game's ending. I looked up the Japanese version just now, and while it's nothing spectacular either, it's still leagues better than that crap. The game had such beautiful vocal songs all throughout too (the one theme that's repeated throughout the game, and also the one at the waterfall cavern). I really don't understand how they managed to screw that up so badly.
Anyway, I'll get back to some missions now. Random kill quests have never been so fun.
ZephyrFate
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Kettch, you must have never played a Shin Megami Tensei game. Having the leader die = game over is really not as bad as you make it out to be. God I love this game's gameplay. The idea is that without a leader you can't properly issue commands. This actually makes sense.
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Mr. Wonderful said:
Wrong. For that to have worked, you would needed to go back to stopping time to apply each individual action, which would have completely destroyed the flow of the battles.
One of the best things about this game is that it isn't a traditional by the numbers FF game.
Wanting to play one of the low-HP characters and getting randomly killed in seconds when my Sentinel screwed up for a moment was not fun at all. I just don't see any reason for it. High penalties for a KO would be fine, no revive until 30 seconds have passed or something. But a simple game over is just overkill.
Other than that I loved the battle system as well though.
ZephyrFate
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How else would you die if your leader didn't die? The game would be cheesy easy.Kettch said:
Dedication Through Light
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lupin23rd said:
I think the trophy is , hm looking at the guides there wasnt one, lol. I have all the story trophies and it seems like there wasnt
ZephyrFate said:
It's an arbitrary and annoying rule, especially when you don't get the necessary tools at all times to make sure you prioritize the protection of your leader.
I just cleared what I think (and hope) is the end of Chapter 11, third try.
Barthandelus, Revisited
That was probably the best fight in the game so far, pretty stressful and fast-paced. Enemy Dispelgas are annoying. :lol
ZephyrFate
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No, it's not. It actually adds strategy because you have to keep an eye on one character over the others -- it adds tension and stress, which is what battles should do. I honestly do not have a single problem with having leader death = game over. I've gotten used it to it in SMT, and those games have fantastic battle systems.Magnus said:
Dedication Through Light said:
Oh yeah, she's a decent good ravager, but besides Thunder she only gets as high as the second-tier spells, which takes her down a notch in comparison to Hope and even Vanille.
She's about on the same level as Fang there.
FTWer said:
It is when it's blended somewhat well and done in a more progressive fashion.
Going from hours of straight corridors with a heavily repeated format to hours of various things to do in an instant isn't good blending. XIII falls flat at something many previous FFs did somewhat well, and that's easing you into free exploration. You don't just get an airship and bam, you can go everywhere and explore. You get stuff like boats, canoes, chocobos, even a school, as you go through the game.
ZephyrFate said:
There are several encounters and enemies fully capable of KO'ing your entire party. The ones that can't do that usually can't even KO your leader in the first place.
The leader KO=Game Over adds little to the game and there's not really any logic behind it besides lazily added difficulty. I'd like to think my other party members are humans, not demons summoned by the leader or Pokemon that disappear or become lost without me to guide them. The leader character is even an individual person and not some kind of avatar of myself like in Persona or something, so it makes even less sense. If I get KO'd, they should be able to use Raise or a Phoenix Down like they can on A.I. people.
It's fine if you don't have problems with it, but for many people it doesn't add anything interesting to the game.
If the story added a reason for one character's death to be a critical blow to the party's advancement, there'd at least be a reason for it.
Think 'guest' characters that have to survive for you to proceed, or a character that's vital to an upcoming cutscene that has to make it, or something.
Think 'guest' characters that have to survive for you to proceed, or a character that's vital to an upcoming cutscene that has to make it, or something.
Oh yeah, positioning was another thing I thought could have been improved. It wasn't a big deal at all, but having one fight where my leader hugged the sentinel and got hit by continuous splash damage attacks and then another fight where she walked around to the opposite side and never got touched was a bit silly. Being able to move around would have been nice, or at least have some consistency in how they positioned themselves.
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Rpgmonkey said:
Maybe they didn't do a good illusion of it (it wouldn't have worked from the story standpoint), but it progress the same way most jRPGs do anyways.
The vast majority of the 1st 2/3rds of a game are heavily linear story driven segments & at the end they always open up a bunch of side quest & let you visit all of the World without restrictions.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
This is my favorite "casual" party.rhfb said:
COM/RAV/COM = damage
RAV/RAV/RAV = chain
SYN/SYN/SAB = buffing and slow on enemy
COM/SAB/COM = damage and debuff
MED/MED/MED = pure heals
SEN/MED/SEN = Invincible
FTWer said:
Many JRPGs will give you say, a boat and let you explore, letting you backtrack and on occasion do extra things that weren't necessary to progress; sometimes the story would even take a break for a moment, encouraging you to hang around and see what you can find. Then you get an airship with even greater exploration later on. This is a common technique for games "similar" to FF like Tales and Dragon Quest, and a few FFs before 10 came along also did it. Maybe it's an "illusion", but it's a well-known method of blending linearity and non-linearity together without it being too alienating or offensive to players.
Of course that style may be awkward in FFXIII's case, but the game goes to such extremes that I think it's perfectly understandable why people feel so strongly one way or the other, because of the way it's a lot like sticking two different halves together to make one complete thing.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
1: Buy them.Prothero said:
2: Equip the item that increases the odds of you finding shrouds in battle.
3: Play worse (get less stars) to have a higher chance of getting them.
mjemirzian
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Magnus said:
hmm.. I'm glad to see people are slowly coming around to admitting the AI has issues.
I claimed the AI had issues (esp Medic and Synergist heal/buff order) shortly after the games release on this very thread and was brow beaten by people who didn't see anything wrong with it. But wisdom comes with experience as they say.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
I love you... but this would really be a love/hate kind of thing.Himuro said:
You should know that graphically (design mostly), it's very FFXII'ish. Which is a good thing for you, I thinkHimuro said:
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Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
My bad, from what I understood I thought Himuro meant that the game should be purely designed for hunts. He pretty much wants them to come earlier in the game, which I agree on.
FateBreaker
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Neil said:
What are you talking about? There is no Achievement/Trophy for that.
FateBreaker
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Himuro said:
I don't know if it's, like, good, but it is the closest thing to "good" dungeon design that you'll get in this game. By the way: enjoy it, because the last dungeon design is ridiculously bleh (though technically and artistically whoa).
I thought the afternoon at Palumpolum was pretty but
in chapter 12 are visually outstanding. Stopped to appreciate it more than once and it's the first time it truly pains me that I can't stroll around the place in usual RPG fashion.
all the sections of Eden
IronFistedChampion
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So, I'm at the end of Chapter 4. Which weapon should I upgrade for Lightning, the Gladious or the Blazefire Saber?
toastyToast
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Himuro said:
You need to get a Tetradic Tiara which is a rare drop from mark 7.
Upgrade it to star level (requires 2000 xp) and then dismantle it to get the sprint shoes.
ULTROS!
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IronFistedChampion said:
Actually, you don't need to upgrade the weapons till Chapter 11 onwards.
But if you really want to upgrade, maybe you want to go for Gladius.
ZephyrFate
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Man, I'd love to hear some of you guys who can't stand leader=KO death play an SMT game, where it makes even more sense for this to happen. Those games would destroy you. :lol Of all the gripes with the battle system, you all chose THAT in particular?
:lol :lol
Himuro: It means that you can upgrade that weapon if you have the particular transmutation material for it.
:lol :lol
Himuro: It means that you can upgrade that weapon if you have the particular transmutation material for it.
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