walking fiend
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Digital Foundry: Wii U -A technical view on Nintendo's big re-reveal (Pikmin 30fps?)
- Thread starter Horse Armour
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I'd say its really a next gen because it really has that 'generational leap' over the Wii, first.
It's more like a 'Nintendo next gen'. Anyway who gives a shit if its next gen or not. I mean, the Wii, even if it was a almost nothing better than the gamecube was called 'next gen' too.
Secondly, Its next gen because its coming out during an era where the new consoles will come out. Logistically, that you want it or not, it IS next gen. Even if they would release a fucking 16-bits console, it would still be next-gen technically. Because it would be the generation that follows the Wii's.
Twenty7KVN
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No it not they can still achieve that at launch.
To be fair, while I totally agree that such a simple looking thing like Nintendo Land shouldn't have any issues, in reality this has zero bearing on the capabilities of the console itself.
People like to say that third parties are lazy on Nintendo systems (which is definitely true), but tend to forget that Nintendo themselves are occasionally capable of laziness themselves.
Well, "laziness" may not necessarily be the right word here, but the point is, with certain titles, Nintendo just feels that they need to achieve some minimum standard, and anything beyond that is unnecessary for that particular title, i.e. Wii Sports. However, everyone by now realizes that just cause Wii Sports wasn't worth giving the time of day, it wasn't an indication that something like Super Mario Galaxy could never be achieved.
Roughly the same. 720p is about a million pixels, 1080p is about 2 million. So twice as many pixels, but half the framerate = same overall pixels per second
Not quite that simple - for 60fps you have to calculate the positions of your objects etc twice as often. So in theory 1080p at 30fps should be slightly less taxing.
But as Nintendo has found, 720p at 30 is even less demanding
Right. Unfortunately by the time the devs come to grips with the U and start regularly surpassing 360/PS3 in all ports, the next Xbox and PS will be out with a potentially massive improvement. As long as the hardware is great for first party games though it should be ok, but Nation seems underwhelming if it fails to push the envelope.
soulassssns
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Geez.....
I am so tired of the "NEXT GEN" being thrown around. A majority of you couldn't even define what it truly means.
I am so tired of the "NEXT GEN" being thrown around. A majority of you couldn't even define what it truly means.
If by artistic choice you meant they can't even hold the 60fps @720p, then sure. It was an artistic choice to not be struggling to achieve 30fps @1080p. If that's supposed to me anything else, fail.
Stop listening to random douchebags on the internet, and start listening to legitimate news sources. Like me. 8)
BigTnaples
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JosephManderley
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Roughly the same. 720p is about a million pixels, 1080p is about 2 million. So twice as many pixels, but half the framerate = same overall pixels per second
Not quite that simple - for 60fps you have to calculate the positions of your objects etc twice as often. So in theory 1080p at 30fps should be slightly less taxing.
But as Nintendo has found, 720p at 30 is even less demanding
Thanks. I guess the second screen complicates matters further!
GhostTrick
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Horse Armour
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DaVinci rubbed dirt in his eyes before he painted the Mona Lisa.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I'm having such deja vu here from 2005, 2006.
I don't really understand how anyone could be so shocked and outraged over this, me personally having adjusted my expectations about Nintendo's technology long ago.
I don't really understand how anyone could be so shocked and outraged over this, me personally having adjusted my expectations about Nintendo's technology long ago.
Reallink
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Who is still claiming an overall 2-4x improvement over 360 at this point?
Was the game out on the showfloor btw? I haven't seen any impressions.
Well I haven't seen any of the insiders change their stance on the power of the system yet.
Zoramon089
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How can DF tell what framerate the game runs at? You can eyeball to a certain extent but...
Yep.
walking fiend
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I am personally not concerned about the games running on par with 360/PS3.
Or much worse than PS4/720, as long as it get the games.
I believe if Wii got downport of games this gen, like it's CoD games, it would be selling at least on par with 360+PS3 till now.
I am. I believe if it was less powerful, there was no way Arkham City look even a tad better than 360/PS3 version AND utilize the GamePad this extensively.
And my logic is that The Last of Us looks extremely better than anything shown at 360/PS3 pre-launch; so we may expect the late Wii U games to gradually become that much.
Horse Armour
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1080i60 feed from SpikeTV just like last year. lol at eyeballing it.
Zoramon089
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No...it's not. The Wii architecture was completely different, not just weaker. People need to stop saying it's the Wii situation when that's factually not possible
Because they heard HD and thought Nintendo was going to play along with the PS4 and 360.
Whatever happens, happens. I get to play Nintendo games in HD with the power of at least the PS360? Awesome. Maybe a cool third party game or two? Dope. Retro and MonolithSoft? Sign me up.
walking fiend
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"It's the wii situation all over again" should become bannable; honestly
even against Wii U, there's no way the concept of GamePad at least looking as revolutionary as Motion Control.
It's factually not possible that they could be without 3rd party support yet again?
It probably went something like this: "We could make Nintendoland 60fps/720p or 30fps/1080p, but does it really matter for this game?"
At this point it probably means powerful multimedia device, at least by many expectations. Nintendo seems to be fine with being an affordable gaming appliance more than anything.
walking fiend
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I am not sure about resolution; but I remember the Ocarina of Time fps being capped because it made the animations look unnatural.
(though, I believe they just didn't care about these stuff while making NintendoLand, just maybe they fix it before release, maybe )
Yay for lowered expectations.
Cygnus X-1
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Nothing new.
It wasn't just about the architecture now was it? Developing for ps360 was just easier because they closer to each other in their capabilities. Now if the same thing occurs with the next gen of xbox and PS and if they land around the same ball park for power, 3rd parties will not bother with the wiiu at all. Heck even now they don't look like they are putting much of an effort outside of Ubi
Boards of Canada
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Willing to bet that Pikmin 3 is being locked to 30fps.
Of course it is. Has there ever been a video game in history where the final frame rate ended up changing from the frame rate that was displayed in the latest demo?
SpacePirate Ridley
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Thank god our assets are going to have the resolution they intended <3
Even with 6+months away from release, I don't expect to see a noticable difference in the performance of these launch/launch window games. Nintendo compromised in order to once again make a machine that is competitively priced, profitable from the start, and based around controller innovation. What you see is what you get.
walking fiend
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60hz: refresh rate of the screen
fps : frame drawn by the hardware per second.
Your screen may refresh 2 times, but in both two times it shows the same image, because the fps is below 60.
A relevant example: 2 GamePad running together was reported to half the 'fps'; however, the only thing that is logical, is that it halves the 'refresh rate'.
And the reason is pretty simple: The transmitter of Wii U is limited to updating the screen of a single GamePad at the refresh rate of 60Hz, so when there are two GamePad, it divides its 60Hz between the two gamepad.
Unlike NintendoLand, this can be a design decision; if you notice, DF particularly mentions the excellence of animations; that is something which may change by increasing the fram rate.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Calling Wii an overclocked Gamecube was bannable even after Wii had been out a couple years. It was the truth.
Vanillalite
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1280 x 720 with that embedded RAM amount (if the leaked specs are true as we've still don't REALLY know) means you should basically be able to get free 4x MSAA. So it's the reason why so many would shoot for 720p over 1080p. That being said if you do that there is no frick'n excuse not to have AA on in your game then.
mysteriousmage09
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So Wii U will get The Last of Us quality graphics 6 or 7 years from now? Cool beans.
walking fiend
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shinobi602
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Oh boy lol.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
But GAF told me it looked worse.
Pikmin 2 on the Cube was I think