StarCreator
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The Mega-Cave Shooter Post, because they're totally awesome and sweet
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Fat chance.
It sucks. I wish 5PB would release the publishing rights back to Cave, if they're not going to do anything with those games. After playing more of them, they are two of my favorites.
Sir_Crocodile
Member
Is that better then a slim chance
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
It doesn't matter, because there's no chance.
Which is worse than fat chances and slim chances.
StarCreator
Member
BL Arrange is included on the BL disc.
DFK Black Label dlc is unavailable in the US, correct? I've been digging DFK since I started playing Maximum and wish I had Black Label (I have the euro-greatest hits version that plays on US consoles)
Thanks Boss!
Crisis averted then. I realized there wasn´t a logo for it on the Amazon page, and I began to hyperventilate.
Got back from Japan this week and while I was there got to play a bit of SDoJ. It was always beside a Black Label machine which I can beat fine, but I can't even 1CC past like stage 2 of SDoJ. Hard! Anyway some bad Cave photos:
First two are of some of the Cave merch at the Kotobukia store in Akiba. Second are typical STG setups ~
Wanted to steal that SDoJ poster so bad ahhhh.
First two are of some of the Cave merch at the Kotobukia store in Akiba. Second are typical STG setups ~
Wanted to steal that SDoJ poster so bad ahhhh.
I want that poster :-9
Also, I put this in the arcade stick thread, but I'm unpacking all my stuffs and taking photos for fun. Initially was just going to be my sticks but I'm adding arcade stuff and other fun things. Check it out!
http://instagram.com/arcadestick
Also, I put this in the arcade stick thread, but I'm unpacking all my stuffs and taking photos for fun. Initially was just going to be my sticks but I'm adding arcade stuff and other fun things. Check it out!
http://instagram.com/arcadestick
Me too. That poster's incredible.
I've been wanting to pick this up for a while now, I guess I'll hold off and wait for this. Am I safe assuming that the Best version will be region free?
Trust me, I will get them all. Just one at a time.
I agree! DDPMAX is incredible and highly recommended
They never changed the region lock for re-releases, so I guess it'll be region free.
LeadenStride
Member
Good, would definitely pick it up if this is the case.
Boss is right, if you don't go used, go for the 4GB version. I did that and am very happy with it. Great thing about having a JP box is that very few US games are locked (but there are some notable ones, like Dishonored and P4A, so it's not my primary box). Worth the price of admission for Mushihimesama HD alone.
Famitsu has some news about the SaidaiOuJou port (translation isn't mine, don't shoot me!):
- arrange mode is programmed by Ikeda, Ichimura and Yagawa (wow!), it'll be totally different from previous arrange modes and will be focused on story, with voice acting by Aya Hirano
- it will feature a new elemental doll, Saya (http://www.senpaigamer.com/sites/default/files/news/xbox/2012/11/07-dodonpachi-saidaioujou-2.jpg)
- vertical scrolling, but 16:9 aspect ratio, like Jamestown and Gigawing
- supports coop multiplayer up to 3 players (not specificed if online or offline), there's only one score counter shared between players (great idea!)
- there will be an anime intro, sung by Aya Hirano
- Yagawa is in charge of the port (in previous games he only did arrange modes)
- it'll be their last game for 360
- they're working toghether with Microsoft (paving the way for more exclusive games on the nextbox?)
- there will be a big announcement on March 2013 (can't wait!!!! :3 )
http://www.famitsu.com/news/201211/08023600.html
http://www.arcade-extreme.com/forum...HI-SAIDAIOUJOU&p=150817&viewfull=1#post150817
- arrange mode is programmed by Ikeda, Ichimura and Yagawa (wow!), it'll be totally different from previous arrange modes and will be focused on story, with voice acting by Aya Hirano
- it will feature a new elemental doll, Saya (http://www.senpaigamer.com/sites/default/files/news/xbox/2012/11/07-dodonpachi-saidaioujou-2.jpg)
- vertical scrolling, but 16:9 aspect ratio, like Jamestown and Gigawing
- supports coop multiplayer up to 3 players (not specificed if online or offline), there's only one score counter shared between players (great idea!)
- there will be an anime intro, sung by Aya Hirano
- Yagawa is in charge of the port (in previous games he only did arrange modes)
- it'll be their last game for 360
- they're working toghether with Microsoft (paving the way for more exclusive games on the nextbox?)
- there will be a big announcement on March 2013 (can't wait!!!! :3 )
http://www.famitsu.com/news/201211/08023600.html
http://www.arcade-extreme.com/forum...HI-SAIDAIOUJOU&p=150817&viewfull=1#post150817
I posted all that (and more) in the SDOJ thread about a month ago:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=44182667&postcount=57
StarCreator
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I don't see Cave going multiplatform at all given how small they are and how hard it is to simulate their arcade hardware - they still haven't gotten it quite right even when focusing on a single platform. They're simply going to go to whatever console other games in the genre are publishing for.
sixteen-bit
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Where have I heard this before?
Yeah I suppose, but doesn't everyone say that Cave not being on PS3 was mainly Sony's fault? Hopefully if they're more receptive to Cave next gen, then Cave might be willing.
Sorry, I totally forgot about the SDOJ thread.
sixteen-bit
Member
Hope they include underscan options for CRTers then!
adversesolutions
Member
For the ultra-obscurantists like me, Yagawa's first shooter coming to JP 3DS next week :
http://www.siliconera.com/2012/12/04/ultra-rare-nes-shooter-coming-to-3ds-virtual-console/
http://www.siliconera.com/2012/12/04/ultra-rare-nes-shooter-coming-to-3ds-virtual-console/
Bought. Actually some really cool stuff on the J-3DS, it seems. Kinda playing out like Wii VC...bulk makes it to NA but then the odd good title remains exclusive to the J-store.
sixteen-bit
Member
Scummy region locked bullshit.
Anyway, they should probably but the Game Boy game Chikyuu Kaihou Gun ZAS up on there next. Another super pricey shooting game.
Finally got myself a Seimitsu stick, the Hori RAP EX-SE. As I've always played shmups on gamepads I was curious to see how it would feel to finally play on a stick...this is also my first arcade stick purchase.
I was surprised when I tried it. Seemed really loose and imprecise compared to using the 360 analog stick,which I think works brilliantly for shmups.
My main problem is the huge deadzone on the stick. I heard so much about how responsive this stick is supposed to be...but there is a relatively huge lag between deciding I want to go a direction, pressing all the way over, and finally moving where I want. Whereas on the 360 analog stick, I immediately go where I want with the slightest twitch of my thumb. I don't think I'd want to get used to this.
The gate also feels restrictive compared to the free circular movement of the 360 pad...but this I think I could get used to.
I did buy the stick used, though supposedly it was hardly touched(some scratches on it tell me otherwise...).
I am just wondering if maybe the stick is worn out. I notice the "neutral" position has some play to it. In other words, there is neutral left, neutral up, neutral right...etc...So if I press right on the stick and let go of it, when it snaps back to neutral, it stays a bit to the right(tiny bit only)...and this goes for all directions. Is this normal?
I was surprised when I tried it. Seemed really loose and imprecise compared to using the 360 analog stick,which I think works brilliantly for shmups.
My main problem is the huge deadzone on the stick. I heard so much about how responsive this stick is supposed to be...but there is a relatively huge lag between deciding I want to go a direction, pressing all the way over, and finally moving where I want. Whereas on the 360 analog stick, I immediately go where I want with the slightest twitch of my thumb. I don't think I'd want to get used to this.
The gate also feels restrictive compared to the free circular movement of the 360 pad...but this I think I could get used to.
I did buy the stick used, though supposedly it was hardly touched(some scratches on it tell me otherwise...).
I am just wondering if maybe the stick is worn out. I notice the "neutral" position has some play to it. In other words, there is neutral left, neutral up, neutral right...etc...So if I press right on the stick and let go of it, when it snaps back to neutral, it stays a bit to the right(tiny bit only)...and this goes for all directions. Is this normal?
No, it's not. Looks like it was "touched" a bit more than "hardly". I have the same stick and I never felt a big deadzone in the lever, as soon as I press left I hear the click of the microswitch, no deadzone. I can check mine when I get home if you want more feedback.
You need to get used to the stick, though. It's not a magic wand that'll automatically make you a better player. Deadzones aside, the movement required to input a direction will always be bigger than the little twitch of the thumb on an analog stick, but since the stick is digital the precision is much better. You can click multiple times to adjust you position with maximum precision almost instantly. After some practice on a stick (or any other digital input device) you'll never go back to analog.
You need to get used to the stick, though. It's not a magic wand that'll automatically make you a better player. Deadzones aside, the movement required to input a direction will always be bigger than the little twitch of the thumb on an analog stick, but since the stick is digital the precision is much better. You can click multiple times to adjust you position with maximum precision almost instantly. After some practice on a stick (or any other digital input device) you'll never go back to analog.
I don't have the HRAP but I do have a cab (and a left over stick I put into some Mad Catz one). There shouldn't be a "huge" dead zone or lag but I can't tell whether that's cause your stick is messed up or you're just comparing to tiny analog stick inputs or something.
My old old stick (in the Mad Catz) that's worn has a little wiggle in it that would count as the dead zone I guess, but just a little bit of force in any direction pretty much sets off the microswitch. If you can hear the click (...or not) and there's noticeable lag to movement then there's probably something up with the stick, assuming you're not just noticing TV lag or something for the first time.
As for the gate there's ways around it, I have octagonal ones on my cab (Sanwas). They actually increase the max throw to the cardinal directions a bit rather than tighten the diagonals, but wasn't a big deal once I got used to it (don't even do the full throw all the time). There's also circular gates but I don't have any experience with those on japanese sticks.
And for "neutral" position, I'm not entirely sure but I'm thinking it should snap to center if new. My old one does what you say but the movement in general feels kind of janky with it (like there's some built up gunk), while my newer ones...are downstairs so I'm not going to check right now in the middle of the night. I'm just assuming they snap to center cause they feel buttery smooth/clean in comparison, everything movement wise with them is better, so the springback to center should be better too. If it doesn't then I've never noticed cause it hasn't made a difference.
My old old stick (in the Mad Catz) that's worn has a little wiggle in it that would count as the dead zone I guess, but just a little bit of force in any direction pretty much sets off the microswitch. If you can hear the click (...or not) and there's noticeable lag to movement then there's probably something up with the stick, assuming you're not just noticing TV lag or something for the first time.
As for the gate there's ways around it, I have octagonal ones on my cab (Sanwas). They actually increase the max throw to the cardinal directions a bit rather than tighten the diagonals, but wasn't a big deal once I got used to it (don't even do the full throw all the time). There's also circular gates but I don't have any experience with those on japanese sticks.
And for "neutral" position, I'm not entirely sure but I'm thinking it should snap to center if new. My old one does what you say but the movement in general feels kind of janky with it (like there's some built up gunk), while my newer ones...are downstairs so I'm not going to check right now in the middle of the night. I'm just assuming they snap to center cause they feel buttery smooth/clean in comparison, everything movement wise with them is better, so the springback to center should be better too. If it doesn't then I've never noticed cause it hasn't made a difference.
Thanks for the feedback guys. I get movement as soon as I hear the click, but it takes quite a bit of distance to get to that click.
It is tough for me to say since I don't have a new stick to compare it to, but from what you guys are telling me, it seems to be because this thing is worn down and has an off-center neutral position.
I'm curious about the digital VS analog thing though...I didn't notice any more precision with being able to make adjustments...from what it feels like, there is only 1 movement speed and the standard 8 directions. Is the joystick able to tell the game more detailed movement info than this, which the analog cannot convey??
It is tough for me to say since I don't have a new stick to compare it to, but from what you guys are telling me, it seems to be because this thing is worn down and has an off-center neutral position.
I'm curious about the digital VS analog thing though...I didn't notice any more precision with being able to make adjustments...from what it feels like, there is only 1 movement speed and the standard 8 directions. Is the joystick able to tell the game more detailed movement info than this, which the analog cannot convey??
Huh. First thing I think of is an arrange mode that isn't structured like an arcade game. Maybe something more like DDP Maximum?
All the MS partnership stuff is goofy and interesting and omg what is the announcement going to be~
SOME-MIST
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I have an HRAP EX-SE (bought it new) and there is no dead zone.
you can also customize the gate in your EX-SE and swap out sticks if needed. It takes a little bit of effort but it might be worth it especially if your stick is worn out. I mainly use a VX-SA with an SE LS-56-01 and SE buttons.
I also hate using my gamepad now.
yup ^ you basically need to relearn how to play shmups. It took me about 3-5 months of play before I started noticing improvement over my analog runs.
you can also customize the gate in your EX-SE and swap out sticks if needed. It takes a little bit of effort but it might be worth it especially if your stick is worn out. I mainly use a VX-SA with an SE LS-56-01 and SE buttons.
I also hate using my gamepad now.
No, it's the other way around. An analog stick is designed to provide much more information than a classic shmup needs, so you end up doing unnecessary work. When you press left on an analog stick you can choose "how much left" you want to input but the game doesn't need it, it's just left. When I was playing on the 360 pad, in the most frantic moments I used to tilt the analog stick all the way to the left (or right) and it felt sloppy and slow. I also like using my entire left hand to input directions, I feel like I have more control over it. If you're used to play by making only tiny movements with your thumb, it may be different. After all, I managed to 1CC Death Smiles with the 360 pad, so it's not like those games are unplayable with an analog input, it's just that they were designed with digital inputs in mind and so they tend to work better with digital.
Oh I see now, that makes sense.
Everyone seems to agree there should be no deadzone on this stick, so I'm going to try to return it (may have to get ebay involved).
Edit: Just heard back from seller, he says I "may have to tighten it down, but it should be fine since i only played on it an hour total". Not sure what to make of that.
Finally got to play around with Mushimesama HD. It's pretty, and I love some of the screen options they put into it, but I'm going back to Futari.
Visually, I felt like the stages weren't as vibrant as Futari, and weren't distinct from each other. Boss design felt a little lacking as well.
On the gameplay side, again the stages didn't feel very distinct, just more of the same in each level.
Still a great Cave game, but since I still haven't mastered Futari (can only get to Stage 4 on one credit) I don't see myself putting much time into M HD for a while.
Visually, I felt like the stages weren't as vibrant as Futari, and weren't distinct from each other. Boss design felt a little lacking as well.
On the gameplay side, again the stages didn't feel very distinct, just more of the same in each level.
Still a great Cave game, but since I still haven't mastered Futari (can only get to Stage 4 on one credit) I don't see myself putting much time into M HD for a while.