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is this real ? Benoit found Dead
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WickedAngel
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Willco said:
Who said they excuse anything? A mental disorder wouldn't "excuse" Chris Benoit; it would make him yet another victim. People like you (Read: Idiots) don't seem to grasp the concept that a person that does something like this isn't always the person that people have known them to be their whole lives.
Chiggs said:
The details that the WWE knew at the time of the show;
1. Chris Benoit missed a couple of shows due to a family emergency.
2. WWE asks the sheriff's department to check the family since contact can't be made.
3. The family is found dead.
4. By the time of the show, no cause of death has been given.
dskillzhtown
keep your strippers out of my American football
Willco said:
It wasn't they, it was Chavo. Chris might have been texting him all day long, we don't know. We don't know when Chavo spoke up. What I am saying is this, let's just see the facts before condemning WWE on this.
My guilt feeling is that Chavo held on to the messages for a bit, until they got so bizarre he told management, they called the police who in turn investigated and said that they found Chris and family dead. At that point a decision had to be made on the show and tell the talent. Maybe the messages were more bizarre and weird than threatening. Remember his cover story was the family was sick. So possibly even during the show, the truth came out and was told to WWE and Chris' family. But by that point it was too late.
Obviously, with the removal of Benoit from WWE.com, they are regretting the decision. But I think that the decision had to be made so fast about the show, they couldn't wait for the facts to start rolling in.
Keru_Shiri
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Nevermind, I checked out CNN.com. I can't believe this, I don't know what to think about this guy anymore.
I will say this though, I think when it comes to a possible mental illness, some of you are confusing an "excuse" with an explanation.
I will say this though, I think when it comes to a possible mental illness, some of you are confusing an "excuse" with an explanation.
ZombieSupaStar said:
As I said before, Benoit's legacy is pretty much wrapped up now. Also, let us be honest here, as disgusting as thought may actually be Wilco does speak towards the truth. The realizations going on are are indeed disturbing in their implications. Would certain members of the IWC be so willing to stretch and torture logic in order to defend a fallen idol, if said idol was, oh say, The Undertaker or Hulk Hogan? The fact of the matter is that such unspeakable and unimaginable tragedy occurred with one one of our guys, one of the wrestlers the the IWC has venerated due to his workrate and such, is at the epicenter of this disaster. Yea, there just isn't defending this, I would like to remember the body of work Chris Benoit left over the past 20 years, but it all has this taint of epic and unbelievable evil.
WickedAngel said:
Dude, people who kill people aren't victims. Again, you're just using a mental disorder to justify murder. It never does. Mental disorders are there to help understand how the human psyche works, who's prone to what, what medication they might need, but at no point in time do they excuse that kind of behavior.
Someone that is dangerous to society, and obviously Benoit was not, would not be a WWE wrestler for years
I thought he had a mental disorder his whole life according to you! But apparently he just had it for three days... when he murdered his wife and child.
It's cool, dudes - let the good times roll! It's just a mental disorder! Three day variety!
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
ZombieSupaStar said:
You can send those DVDs to me. I dont really care what he did.
WickedAngel
Banned
Willco said:
You aren't worth responding to. Goodbye.
WickedAngel said:
I guess I must've struck deep!
Grecco said:
No, they don't. Just because they don't hung at dawn doesn't mean they're excuse. People that crazy that are a danger to society are usually locked up a mental institution or behind bars for the rest of their life.
And furthermore, people that insane have a long track record of being that way. They're not WWE wrestlers.
no one will ever know for sure what happened that weekend. for all you know I could have been right on the money...BrandNew said:
You hear of jealous husbands murdering there cheating wives all the time.... nobody said it was acceptable, I was just saying you have to be ****ed in the head to kill your own child.
I don't expect anyone to understand my point of view, and thats fine by me... I have 2 girls that I would die for... hell kill for...
There are many people here that don't understand wrestling.
Those who do understand, are those that are aware of the hard work and commitment that goes into being a top card wrestler. Wrestling isn't just something anyone can do. For Chris Benoit, a man of small stature, his diligence and hard work is what brought him success.
His work ethic was admirable by any standard. Wrestling is a skill that millions enjoy.
Those who do understand, are those that are aware of the hard work and commitment that goes into being a top card wrestler. Wrestling isn't just something anyone can do. For Chris Benoit, a man of small stature, his diligence and hard work is what brought him success.
His work ethic was admirable by any standard. Wrestling is a skill that millions enjoy.
krypt0nian
Banned
WickedAngel said:
I still love you, Wilco.
Well, Chavo got a mail and I don't think it was "only just a little bit weird". I think he wrote something like "they're all dead. I did it. What have I done. There is no way out" and so on. And so Chavo contacted Vince or someone at WWE to call the police (at Benoits hometown) to check the situation.WickedAngel said:
Exactly! Wrestling is hard acting and nothing more and he did nothing for the world. He killed a lovely woman and a 7 year old child. He is a murderer and nothing more!Kabuki Waq said:
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/fayette/stories/2007/06/25/0625benoit.html
Well, after reading..... hm... maybe she wanted to leave him and take the child with her and he killed her in rage! After that, he thought about it a day/night and he knew, he will go to jail and he will never ever see his kid again. So he killed his son, too..... and after all, himself a day later.
Sad and sick story. What a sick man!
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No. He strangled his wife and smothered his son before hanging himself and that's fact. Deal with it!farnham said:
super funk
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Brian Fellows said:
Im glad someone agrees with me (sort of at least). I never admired Chris Benoit as a person, I admired him as a wreslter. His legacy is tainted now, but that doesnt mean to me that he did still wrestle in great matches, I just can never respect him. But everyone is entitled to feel thier own way.
But I have to agree that watching the Benoit DVD must be sickening, because it shows him from a personal angle and I dont blame ZombieSuperStar for wanting to throw it out.
worldrunover
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The only way I could think of this going down is on Saturday he, for some reason, killed his wife in a fit of rage. Maybe his son witnessed it, maybe he heard things, who knows. But Sunday comes around, and he's obviously mentally unstable from what happened, and thinks to himself that his son shouldn't have to live A) without parents and B) with the memories of what transpired, so in a moment of insanity, he kills his son. Monday morning he obviously could never cope with everything that has happened and hung himself.
I wouldn't call it a mental condition, but if you killed your wife (perhaps accidentally/not knowing your own strength?) you wouldn't be in the right frame of mind for a while.
Obviously not condoning any of this, but if the three day thing is true, this is a possible scenario.
I wouldn't call it a mental condition, but if you killed your wife (perhaps accidentally/not knowing your own strength?) you wouldn't be in the right frame of mind for a while.
Obviously not condoning any of this, but if the three day thing is true, this is a possible scenario.
WickedAngel
Banned
Cheebs said:
I knew I'd forgotten someone.
pCeSlAyEr said:
Yup, now the first thing to mind is no longer him winning the WWE belt, or that awesome best of 7 he had with Booker T.
Now the first thing that comes to mind is how he left this world.... as a punk bitch child murderer.
vas_a_morir
Banned
Wow, i've never seen one thread inspire so many bannings so quick. Is it because nobody on GAF has any tact?
Cheebs said:
Humans are complicated creatures.
It's easy to think in black and white, but it's also simplistic to do so.
I'm not defending Chris Benoit, and largely agree with Willtard that the WWE is a charnel house. That doesn't mean that there aren't positive aspects to both; it just means the scales are tipped toward the negative.
number1jagsfan
Member
farnham said:
Well thats not really true, forensic evidence and autopsy results are more than mere speculation.
I'm sure that in a couple of days, we will have a pretty clear idea of what happened. We will probably never know what drove him to commit these acts, but we will know what he did.
Cnn main page
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/more/06/25/wrestler.dead.ap/index.html?cnn=yes
Wait, he's from Montreal? I never knew.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/more/06/25/wrestler.dead.ap/index.html?cnn=yes
Wait, he's from Montreal? I never knew.
BobFromPikeCreek
Member
It would be interesting to see how many people would defend him if he had just killed his wife and son without killing himself.
WickedAngel
Banned
vas_a_morir said:
Willco fought hard to earn his.
Nobody is excusing what Chris Benoit did. That's the furthest from what anyone here is trying to do. There are a few people in here who are trying to explain the nature of a few things (Mental disorders) and how people, under the wrong circumstances, can lose themselves to their own minds and do things that completely clash with their beliefs/feelings/ideologies. Anyone who has experienced mental disorders firsthand (Be it paranoid schizophrenia or even Alzheimer's) knows how weak a person can be when their mind has reached the breaking point.
Howard Alan Treesong
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Has anyone considered the possibility that Benoit was under the influence of En Sabah Nur? As we saw in Uncanny X-Men #335, the millienia-old abilities of Ἀποκάλυψις are powerful enough to turn even boy scout Scott Summers "heel." In fact, it seems likely to me that the Apocalypse-controlled Benoit had offered his wife and child positions as two of the four Horsemen, but that they failed to pass the stringent "only the strong survive" tests he created for their benefit. Also, what a work ethic!
Keyser Soze
Member
I find it amazing that Willco and others seem to be expressing joy as they get their points across to others in light of this terrible event.
Sure, we all agree fully with all your points but, unlike you, we have watched the man wrestle a huge portion of great matches in the WWE for the past 7 years and, once again unlike you, most of us had huge respect for this guy. We even still respected this guy at this point yesterday for all the great matches he wrestled. Unlike you, at this time yesterday, when we thought him and his family just died from some terrible circumstances we were all in this thread expressing concern as we had no idea of the cluster**** this would turn into. But finally, less than a few hours ago we now know what finally happed. Yes, we are sickened to by what he did but unlike you we know all about his past, so there is a conflict of emotions.
Now, I am pretty sure I never saw most of you in any one of the wrestling threads before so up until today you probably never knew much of the guy and sure it is easy to hate him but youve got to realize that right now we also hate him for what he did to but it is a lot harder to express the distain if you know the full 20 year+ back-story. Honestly, I fully understand if you put a lol smilie in a reply after you read this, or whatever reply you think will be the best bait for others, but that is just mine, and probably alot of others opinion on here.
Also, please ask yourselves would you be even in this thread if the whole story had not turned as twisted as it is now?
Sure, we all agree fully with all your points but, unlike you, we have watched the man wrestle a huge portion of great matches in the WWE for the past 7 years and, once again unlike you, most of us had huge respect for this guy. We even still respected this guy at this point yesterday for all the great matches he wrestled. Unlike you, at this time yesterday, when we thought him and his family just died from some terrible circumstances we were all in this thread expressing concern as we had no idea of the cluster**** this would turn into. But finally, less than a few hours ago we now know what finally happed. Yes, we are sickened to by what he did but unlike you we know all about his past, so there is a conflict of emotions.
Now, I am pretty sure I never saw most of you in any one of the wrestling threads before so up until today you probably never knew much of the guy and sure it is easy to hate him but youve got to realize that right now we also hate him for what he did to but it is a lot harder to express the distain if you know the full 20 year+ back-story. Honestly, I fully understand if you put a lol smilie in a reply after you read this, or whatever reply you think will be the best bait for others, but that is just mine, and probably alot of others opinion on here.
Also, please ask yourselves would you be even in this thread if the whole story had not turned as twisted as it is now?
number1jagsfan said:
First.. there is the possibility that other persons are involved in this..
And secondly...
No that is true because there also is an possibilty of self defense or possibly even acquiescence... Chris Benoit will never be able to say anything for his defense eventhough there are situations were his actions might have been lawful...
So yeah.. we dont know what the hell happened.. we just know that there are three corpses.. We dont know why it happened or how it happened.. so how can you just blame somone for murder when you basically know nothing about the motives and such...
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