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is this real ? Benoit found Dead
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Prime crotch
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Because he killed two people before killing himself?farnham said:
worldrunover
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vas_a_morir said:
some guy about to get banned said:
I guess some people just don't get it.
Keyser Soze said:
I've idolized my father for the last 20 years of my life and if he murdered a small child I would hate him and not have a "conflict of emotions". Anyone regardless how close ever murders a innocent child there should never be any conflict of emotions. There is no excuse for that.
vas_a_morir
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worldrunover said:
Yep.
Kano on the Phone
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No, Benoit claimed Benoit and family.Shard said:
First of all, an incredibly sad and difficult to fathom situation... made me think pretty quickly of this newspaper feature that ran just over a month ago: http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Wrestling/2007/05/20/4195265.html
(I haven't been a wrestling fan for years -- since I was in middle school -- and I mostly remember him from Stampede wrestling)
I was a little surprised by the reactions here (not the early reactions giving Benoit the benefit of the doubt before more news came out, but those that have emerged since its become clear the authorities believe he's responsible).
Then I thought about the "seven stages of grief" and its like this thread is a mirror for them (or at least the first three so far):
Shock or Disbelief
Denial
Bargaining
Guilt
Anger
Depression
Acceptance and Hope
Anyhow, although I'm not into wrestling these days, I hope the WWE never stoops to invoking his name for the sake of "entertainment" ... I know it wouldn't happen in the near term, but a few years down the road, I'm not so sure...
(I haven't been a wrestling fan for years -- since I was in middle school -- and I mostly remember him from Stampede wrestling)
I was a little surprised by the reactions here (not the early reactions giving Benoit the benefit of the doubt before more news came out, but those that have emerged since its become clear the authorities believe he's responsible).
Then I thought about the "seven stages of grief" and its like this thread is a mirror for them (or at least the first three so far):
Shock or Disbelief
Denial
Bargaining
Guilt
Anger
Depression
Acceptance and Hope
Anyhow, although I'm not into wrestling these days, I hope the WWE never stoops to invoking his name for the sake of "entertainment" ... I know it wouldn't happen in the near term, but a few years down the road, I'm not so sure...
super funk said:
I'm still in this camp as well. If I watch a match from 2000, it has zero to do with what happened in 2007. And someone can reply and go "BUT YES IT DOES HE KILLED PEOPLE", but I'd like to see how his actions this weekend has any bearing on something that happened years ago.
In his sad attempt at trolling, Willco made an OJ reference. If you look at OJ's numbers, he was a good football player, obviously. Now, most people may remember him for the murder trial circus, but you can't take away his football accomplishments. He was a good football player way before he cut anyone up. Same goes for Benoit to me. It is fully possible to separate the persona from the person portraying that persona.
And the Hitler reference someone made is a bit of a stretch imo, but Hitler was Time's man of the year before WW2. So it's fully possible to recognize someone on merits that are viewed as positives at the time, only to have it go drastically wrong later. It was better for WWE to do a tribute show than the Mr McMahon whodunit given the info they had at the time, and even though Benoit is apparently behind these murders, the show's matches showcased Benoit the performer, which is who people tune in to see.
Stoney Mason
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Cheebs said:
And that is your perfect right. However you don't have the right to tell me what I should think and how I should feel. Of course the man is a murderer. Of course that is heinous.
I reserve the right to separate the man from his work. I admire the work. I detest the man. I can make that distinction personally and I'm fine with it. I might watch him wrestle and go wow what a wrester and then say he was a horrible human being at the same time.
What some of us object to is the arrogrance of someone saying you can't do that. Yes I can! And you can feel another way. And that's alright too.
Kano on the Phone
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He killed a child.bjork said:
worldrunover
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Stoney Mason said:
This is the way to look at it. If you can separate the man from the entertainer, then there is no reason you can't still watch his old matches or remember him for being a good wrestler. But obviously this will always be on the mind as well.
ZombieSupaStar said:
You'd be surprised of what the average human being is capable of when put in certain situations.
I am in no way trying to justify what he did, as that simply can't be done, no matter what.
But as someone who has had a very close brush with committing suicide several years ago, I can tell you that when you're at such a point, you aren't thinking clearly...at all.
For some reason you believe that there is only one way out, and at that point it isn't felt as being cowardly. It simply is your supposedly only option to get away from all the pain and all the f*cked up sh*t that's been thrown onto your shoulders.
You just want it to stop, no matter what the cost.
I'm glad I was able to work out my problems myself, and don't want to return to that place ever again. I won't let it come that far again.
Sure, this is not the exact same thing, but there are overlapping parts.
After reading up on family drama's and seeing lots of these in the news, you hear it all the time that kids are not killed out of anger or anything like that, but instead out of a feeling that it's best for them.
Even though that sounds so very, very wrong, I know.
still this does show up in many if not most cases.
No matter what people want to tell themselves, nothing is simply black&white, even if we don't like to admit it.
Almost anyone can come to such a point if they are pushed hard enough, and I hope none of you will ever have to find out the hard way.
Like I said, I'm not trying to justify what he did at all.
Guess I just see it in a different light. As a horrible tragedy instead of a clear cut predetermined murder case.
Instead of demonising him, I look at him with pitty.
worldrunover
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White Man said:
Yeah, look at last year.
I know I was certainly not a saint....Keyser Soze
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Cheebs said:
If you were that close to events the feeling would be stonger... we are watching this all on TV and via words on thte internet, we are distant from events and for me the whole thing has not sunk in yet. Yes, we still hate him for what he did but it is just all a weird ****ed up set of events...
Kabuki Waq
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bjork said:
Dont forget Kiddy raper Polanski Getting a standing ovation at the oscars. forget Separating the art from the man. A rapist is a rapist and a murderer in a murderer i will not support or appreciate him or his exploits ever again.
Kano On The Phone said:
I actually hope that is the case, the latter impaction is even more disturbing if such a thing were possible. Ya see, suppose this horror was caused by drugs, especially steroids like the CNN is speculating on, the story takes another twist, one wrestling fans have heard time and again over the past 10 years, the lifestyle has claimed so many souls and now has claimed innocents, claimed a child, and that is just indfensable for the whole damn thing.
Also the WWE changes to the site are not fooling CNN and now they found the list.
Really important, his wrestling? Are you joking? I am a wrestling fan since 1988 (japan) and I respected Chris Benoit as a wrestler. But after all..... "focusing on what is really important: His wrestling???? Please WHAT?malek4980 said:
What really is important: Two people died!!! WERE KILLED! One of them was a 7 year old child! THAT'S IMPORTANT! I will still watch wrestling. My biggest dream as a kid was a) get into the videogame business, or b) be a wrestler. I went with plan A and I am very happy but I am STILL a big wrestling fan! I love it! But this man, Chris Benoit is a murderer and nothing else!
Wrong! I am a wrestling fan for 19 years and I respected him as a wrestler. But now there is NO respect left. He is a lousy murderer and a child-murderer.Keyser Soze said:
There is nothing left :'(
Yes, you're right! It's your choice and your opinion! No one can do something against that!Stoney Mason said:
Hellraizah
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The people talking about "roid rage" and whatever, I wonder what you think Benoit was thinking about while flying out home in a hurry. You don't take the plane for 3 minutes. He had a lot of time to think while in the plane.
Of course, maybe his wife filed for divorce again, he was angered by that fact, flew home to have a discussion with her, it turned out very bad, he then lost control and strangled her.
Of course, maybe his wife filed for divorce again, he was angered by that fact, flew home to have a discussion with her, it turned out very bad, he then lost control and strangled her.
Brian Fellows
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Aisenherz said:
He was clearly being sarcastic.
ZombieSupaStar
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Aisenherz said:
needed to be quoted.
also new conference at 3.pm est (15 mins) coming up on cnn from the benoit house
Stoney Mason
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Aisenherz said:
I'm 99.9% percent certain that was a sarcastic response you were responding to.
Kabuki Waq said:
Well, I'm not saying anyone else had to think the way I do. Personally, I don't see the happenings of this weekend as a statement on his career. His work and his personal life are not the same thing to me. I think some people here are also capable of separating these things, or at least conveniently forgetting them. Kobe is an alleged rapist, and he's still popular, among with many others. But Kobe is a good basketball player and he's not raping anyone (literally) when he's on the court playing basketball.
I think it's more that people don't want to sympathize with someone who did a really bad thing at the end of his days, for fear of getting some sideways stare from people, or having to wrestle with their own concept of morality. I'm not saying Benoit offing people is okay, because it's not. He was one of the best-working wrasslers there ever was, and if he'd blown up a church full of nuns and orphans, I'd still think so.
krypt0nian
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farnham said:
What?
Arrowgigantic
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Why, exactly, would your father kill a child? It sounds almost like you expect he's capable of it.Cheebs said:
But I would wager you'd say that you don't expect him to capable of such a thing. Otherwise, you'd be pretty messed up for idolizing the guy.
So, if he did kill someone, then wouldn't that be odd? Wouldn't you be looking for some sort of answer as to why a good man did a bad thing? Not an excuse, mind you, but just an answer why. Would you really just say, "Wow, I guess my dad was evil all along and he was tricking me all this time?"
ZombieSupaStar
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farnham said:
..........*boggles*.....
Ghengis Cohen
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No there is a never a justification despite the pathetic ramblings in this thread for murdering a seven year child.farnham said:
there are too many reasons this case as it stands is doubtful
1. even if he did kill his wife.. why would he kill his son
2. why was his son killed the day after.
3. why didnt his son try to escape or call the police or whatever
plus interviews with his fellow wrestlers or his neighbours indicate that he was not a psychopath.. maybe he was good at hiding it...
but there are many indications for a 4th person that might have done all this and might have escaped... and yet everybody is acting like the case as it stands has no reasonable doubt
1. even if he did kill his wife.. why would he kill his son
2. why was his son killed the day after.
3. why didnt his son try to escape or call the police or whatever
plus interviews with his fellow wrestlers or his neighbours indicate that he was not a psychopath.. maybe he was good at hiding it...
but there are many indications for a 4th person that might have done all this and might have escaped... and yet everybody is acting like the case as it stands has no reasonable doubt
BobFromPikeCreek
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I'm pretty sure people are more curious about the reasoning behind your second statement... not the first one.farnham said:
Stoney Mason
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farnham said:
To be fair you are starting to sound like a 9/11 conspiracy guy. From the current evidence it seems like he killed those people. All that stuff you are saying is fairly irrelevant. He's most likely a murderer. Deal with it.
Willco said:
You're a ****ing idiot.
Anyway, at least there is no more speculation about what happened. Still curious as to what made him snap, though. Talk about ruining your legacy, jesus.
Smart move to have straight wrestling matches without storylines this week, though. Althought postponing everything a week might have been a better solution.
If these details are true, this is truly sickening and bizarre.
Allegedly Benoit kills his wife, then watches WWE with his son, then kills his son and himself later.
http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_272614341.shtml
Allegedly Benoit kills his wife, then watches WWE with his son, then kills his son and himself later.
http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_272614341.shtml
Stoney Mason
Banned
Aisenherz said:
No problem. Sarcasm on the net is still sometimes hard for me to decipher.
farnham said:
That's what I'm thinking. Allow me to theorize. His wife met someone better and she was going to leave him. His child also wanted a new dad and plotted with his mother to have Benoit killed.
Benoit found out about this and decided to kill the both of them before he himself was killed. He opted to kill them himself with his bare hands. After he'd done so, he decided to kill himself just so that he could re-kill them in hell.
amirite?
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