I always do.
Do Merkel, Macron, and May want to take healthcare away from tens of millions of people? And make it worse for everyone else? Just so the wealthy can get another tax cut?
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Trumpcare (Obamacare repeal) may be law within days. This could be the final stand
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Dude/maam.. I've seen people that survived cancer, who never had insurance, due to obamacare. Hate obamacare because it's obamacare.
If it's spun in the white way, I fear even if people are dying they'll blame isis and Mexicans. Even though it's all Republicans...
That's my fear when this passes.
Scofield94941
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the definition of a con artist is fooling people into thinking they are working for you. Hate to say but people will die because they got conned by that orange bafoon. People are going to fucking die w/ out obamacare
Evil Monkey DTT
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This assumes people are putting the blame on the right people, and this is what scares me the most. I look at the date on this bill for when shit actually starts being cut and it's going to trick the right into thinking the Republicans didn't do this. We live in a time where the spin is impossible to avoid, and even personally I know I've fallen for alot of it. This is what scares me the most on this.
I mean, all we can do is keep the heat on. We have our tools and even in the darkest night we have our collective strength and voice. Even if everything fails and nothing goes our way, they can't take away that. Which makes it very powerful, even though it may seem like it isn't.
Moff
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You don't ynderstand how democracy works and you understand even less how a message boards work. No one needs your approval.
Evil Monkey DTT
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Amen to that, I'd rather die a fool believing we can fix this world then live watching it falls apart and picking up the pieces.
What is this alternate reality you're living in?
Surprise surprise, he got banned for derailing a thread and is trying to hide behind GAF's moderation policy to avoid taking responsibility for his posts.
Homeboy talks a whole bunch of shit but when it comes time to produce receipts he runs and hides behind "You can't talk about moderation!".
#FOH
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I, and people talking about a boiling point, are not advocating violence.
But desperate people make desperate decisions. The GOP is making life more desperate for anyone who isn't absurdly rich.
I mean, consider the copycat threats the same day of the shooting last week: one person who threatened a Republican senator's life literally used the AHCA as the reason these people have sold out the public for the rich and have lost any semblance of humanity. This isn't some cooky internet plan: people in this very country literally feel this way. You know, the same country where there are a crazy amount of firearms...
In fact, why not read his words, as he did this via email?
"Did you NOT expect this? When you take away ordinary peoples very lives in order to pay off the wealthiest among us, your own lives are forfeit. Certainly, your souls and morality were lost long before. Good riddance"
We should always expect reason to win over futility and violence, but this depends on the parties at play actually starting out within reason. The GOP has become a party of death for the average American, so we quickly fall into concerns of futility and breakdown as they bomb the social lives of the regular people they represent.
The GOP is playing with a bomb, and they are likely to accidentally pull the pin themselves.
When Noam Chomsky calls the GOP the most dangerous organization in world history, why is it every week his words get a bit more weight to them? It sounds hyperbolic, but look at what they're trying to get away with. The AHCA is a literal heist against the American people.
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Well that ban text sure is something...
"Can't stump the diablos" indeed. To play devils advocate, you have a point here.
I always knew that Obamacare wouldn't be sustainable in the long run anyways, not that the Trumpcare plan seeks to solve Obamacare's problems (rather it makes them worse) but in lets just say I am glad to be living in Canada at the moment.
If there's one thing I know about America is that we always land on our feet. We knew this was coming so lets chin up and be optimistic. Onwards we march!
It's really got nothing to do with the current poltical state of affairs in this country, though, which is why I find it odd.
I asked why he seemed to be feeling vindicated by Trump's victory and this was his response. As if that somehow spoke for everyone that ever criticized Bernie.
Surprise surprise, he got banned for derailing a thread and is trying to hide behind GAF's moderation policy to avoid taking responsibility for his posts.
Homeboy talks a whole bunch of shit but when it comes time to produce receipts he runs and hides behind "You can't talk about moderation!".
#FOH
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So, their shitty political stance boils down to some fucking Internet forum beef?
Talk about some next level petty bullshit.
"Hey Grandma, I know you're dying but please take solace in the fact that Unknown Soldier got to smugly chuckle at their computer knowing that they got the last laugh over a shitty ban."
Copper
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The sad part is they'd still blame the democrats.
Psychoward
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I don't think you understand what a purity test is.
Really the people in this thread still insisting that they were right to not vote for Hillary in the GE is fucking depressing. Spin it how you want but you inadvertently helped cause this shitshow.
So he was called out, accurately, and refused to admit it in the thread.
Evil Monkey DTT
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And the blacks, and the Mexicans, and the *insert group that is discriminated here*.
I voted for Sanders for the same reason many of us did, but I also voted for Hillary because no matter where you stood on her policies she was RUNNING AGAINST DONALD TRUMP! You do not throw me or any other Bernie supporters under this boat, you do not speak for any of us or hell even Sanders himself. You know the guy who told us to vote for Hillary! I'm not gonna deny there was some bullshit during the election but to everyone goddamn one of you who decided not to vote because "my guy didn't win" you gave us this. You are just as bad as a trump supporter to me, actually, you might even be worse. You saw everything he did and knew what he was but you didn't want to vote because a woman had some leaked emails and she wasn't progressive enough. I'm not saying it's entirely your faults but own your shit, because I can tell you right now if Hillary was president my mornings would be me talking about video games all day and only watching the news once a week.
There is only so much you can blame on the side that had no power at the time.
OrangeGrayBlue
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UK conservative and US conservative are two entirely different beasts.
Copper
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Which is why this situation is so absurd.
Unknown Soldier
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I expect that it will be a litmus test of whose side they are on.
I asked politely that it not be shared. It's clear who the real villains are here on this forum.
The fact that you fail to understand anything still is a problem with you.
I asked you politely to not share it, but it seems that you are proving just what kind of people the Hillary supporters really are.
This, and the comparison also applies to the left- Jeremy Corbyn is NOT the UK Bernie Sanders (though I admire and respect both!), Corbyn is like actually left while Sanders is a remnant of the new-deal era.
Metalingus5150
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Some drama up in here.
Matrix XII
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Was about to say. This thread is all over the place.
Makes me sick what will happen to American's if this goes through.
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No one knows. It's not a foregone conclusion. But from another perspective, health care investors are betting that it won't pass.
WSJ:
Evil Monkey DTT
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The hero we deserve ladies and gentlemen, do you read what you write mate! Or is your goal to double down on everyone's perception of Bernie supporters because if so you are doing a wonderful job. I mean people are going to die, but it's okay because you really got to stick it those people who voted against trump right!
Fuck all because our only option is calling our senators which doesn't do anything unless we actually vote. But still that's our option, and that's what we have to do.
Please spare the world your lessons on bettering our character when you're willing to let actual people get hurt over some video game forum beef.
Neolibral is codeword for Nvidia.
Unknown Soldier
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This is strange because you are the ones who are letting people get hurt by allowing Trump to be elected? These arguments are so hilarious because none of this would have happened if it was someone else going against Trump who actually had a chance of beating him. I'm not going to claim 100% that anybody, Bernie or otherwise, could have beaten Trump. But everyone was yelling their warnings about Hillary and the Hillary supporters just ignored them and proceeded with their coronation. Your support for Hillary is as much the cause of the current state of affairs as anything I could have done. Which is nothing, actually. I could not have and did not do anything in the end, because I had no say in the election. I was in a state which has gone Blue for the last 32 years (Washington) so it's even more amusing that people think I could have influenced the election's results in any way besides wishing I could hate Trump to death.
But why won't you listen to me when I keep telling you how Saint Bernard is the second coming of the Liberal Jesus?
[citation needed]
crackhead_bob
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Yup. I think most of the posters here would rather be able to be carefree and not having to preoccupy their thoughts with important, pressing developments such as these. That's how complacency takes root. On one hand, it pisses you off when you've got people who are complacent, but at the same time, it's sometimes an envious place to be. And the idealist in me feels that people shouldn't have to be thinking about these things 24/7, but the sad reality is that there are shitty people in the world who do shitty things. Those are the kind of people I can sympathize with. But the Bernie Bros? Fuck em. These people did know what was at stake and stayed home despite it all, which to me is the progressive version of I got mine, fuck everyone else.
Psychoward
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Now that I have seen the beef I can say that it is in fact unwarranted and that even people who voted for Bernie in the primaries got sick of him being brought up 24/7 in unrelated threads.
The fact is the vast majority of Bernie supporters voted for Hillary in the general election because they are reasonable people. Some people just can't take an L.
Did you miss the protesters being carried out of their fucking wheelchairs by the police today?
Evil Monkey DTT
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I have to get out of this thread, there's no way I'm not going to get banned for the things I want to say right now. All I'll say is this has been utterly pitful and I am embarrassed for my country right now.
More people in this country wanted Hillary to be president.
She had a chance. Factually. She received more votes. She lost because of Trump's bullshit rhetoric/straight-up lying in a select few states. (And also, you know, the blatant racism that his supporters are okay with.)
So yes, she had a chance. But then she lost. After being fucking demonized as a criminal.
Trump was a movement that transcends who his competition was. If the Access Hollywood tape didn't end him, Bernie sure as hell wasn't going to.
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