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Gurish · Mar 17, 2015

APKmetsfan said:
I understand the fact the left and center are more diverse but bibi's government would put another Lapid in his party which forced this election. You have 50 some seats that are anti-peace, colonize the west bank and any cost that was always a given but that's not enough for a government, he'll need someone who left his party because of this.

I just don't see how this is any thing other than Bibi's victory over other rightists.

Can't see it happening.

Yea, he has Kachlon- Kulanu ("all together") party, it's a more economic party and he will sit with Bibi without much problem, add Shas ("spanish orthodox jew party), The Jewish House (Benett), Liberman, The torah jewish party and he has a coalition and they are all pretty natural partners , no need for Lapid.
Hertzog can't do the same.

NYCmetsfan · Mar 17, 2015

Gurish said:
Yea, he has Kachlon- Kulanu ("all together") party, it's a more economic party and he will sit with Bibi without much problem, add Shas ("spanish orthodox jew party), The Jewish House (Benett), Liberman, The torah jewish party and he has a coalition and they are all pretty natural partners , no need for Lapid.
Hertzog can't do the same.

I don't see Kulanu as the natural partner you do. He seems to prefer Hertzog, whos problem is bridging the religious parties and lapid. If he can do that he has a government. I'm not sure that's possible and we'll see.

I think bibi has a easier path but I'm not sure he'll get that shot.

Gurish · Mar 17, 2015

APKmetsfan said:
I don't see Kulanu as the natural partner you do. He seems to prefer Hertzog, whos problem is bridging the religious parties and lapid. If he can do that he has a government. I'm not sure that's possible and we'll see.

I think bibi has a easier path but I'm not sure he'll get that shot.

You are wrong my friend, Kachlon the chairman of Kulanu is ex Likud, he could sit with Hertzog if he had a more striking win, but he can easily sit with Bibi and they are natural partners.

Pigs will fly the day that Lapid and the religious parties will sit together, not gonna happen, they despise each other and they see him as a devil more or less.
The only way Hertzog could do it is if the Arabs will agree, they are making a big mistake by refusing but that's probably not gonna change.

dude · Mar 17, 2015

The chaos that is Israeli politics.

shadowsdarknes · Mar 17, 2015

zeroOman said:
still keep giving.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERc6hi_F9LA&feature=youtu.be

xD

Fuck I hate politicians that think that their victory is part of God's mission.

NYCmetsfan · Mar 17, 2015

If bibi only has a right wing government expect a Palestinian vote in the UN in September, EU sanctions, etc.

Even if bibi wins remember this

@speechboy71
Further irony from election returns: 70-80 votes in next Knesset for the two state solution

The're are more supporters of two states than one.

Not that it matters practically if 15 of those seats won't join government.

Gurish · Mar 17, 2015

dude said:
The chaos that is Israeli politics.

Yup but if you want tl;dr version - Bibi and the right won and we are heading toward a right wing government.

APKmetsfan said:
If bibi only has a right wing government expect a Palestinian vote in the UN in September, EU sanctions, etc.

Yea Israel is gonna be very isolated in Europe in the coming years, the conflict is heading for a boiling point if i have to bet.

NYCmetsfan · Mar 17, 2015

Gurish said:
Yup but if you want tl;dr version - Bibi and the right won and we are heading toward a right wing government.

Yea Israel is gonna be very isolated in Europe in the coming years, the conflict is heading for a boiling point if i have to bet.

Its going to lose US cover too. Bibi is now firmly anti-US policy. Congress will stay pro-Israel but expect a bit less, and growing isolation and less defense.

AkuMifune · Mar 17, 2015

APKmetsfan said:
Its going to lose US cover too. Bibi is now firmly anti-US policy. Congress will stay pro-Israel but expect a bit less, and growing isolation and defense.

All in all it's just another brick in the wall.

shadowsdarknes · Mar 17, 2015

Bibi declaring victory.

Check his Twitter

Sho_Nuff82 · Mar 17, 2015

Ugh. I had so much hope going into today.

Masquerader · Mar 17, 2015

shadowsdarknes said:
Bibi declaring victory.

Check his Twitter

... Wat. But how does he even kno-- He's a moron. I forgot. Sorry.

shadowsdarknes · Mar 17, 2015

Masquerader said:
... Wat. But how does he even kno-- He's a moron. I forgot. Sorry.

Either he is pulling a Mitt Romney and being fed bad information, or he is up to date with the latest information not yet reported by the media.

Dai101 · Mar 17, 2015

Sho_Nuff82 said:
Ugh. I had so much hope going into today.

Never understimate the hattred that some people have against their fellow men. In this case the bulk of the right wing supporters.

Masquerader · Mar 17, 2015

shadowsdarknes said:
Either he is pulling a Mitt Romney and being fed bad information, or he is up to date with the latest information not yet reported by the media.

Ugh.

I want it to be the former, oh so badly. But it isn't gonna be that...

dude · Mar 17, 2015

Gurish said:
Yup but if you want tl;dr version - Bibi and the right won and we are heading toward a right wing government.

We're heading towards a National Unity government. The right can't build a coalition they can keep for more than a year.

CreeperBlocks · Mar 17, 2015

shadowsdarknes said:
Bibi declaring victory.

Check his Twitter

Fuck.

This Sucks.

Gnome Scat · Mar 17, 2015

shadowsdarknes said:
Bibi declaring victory.

Check his Twitter

Oh please no. We were so close to throwing that asshole out.

GSG Flash · Mar 17, 2015

I think he's bullshitting like he has been all through his campaign.

Cromat · Mar 17, 2015

Definite Bibi victory. Painful but maybe it was necessary. This time no unity, pure Right-wing coalition. Sanctions are coming.

ShinRPGamer · Mar 17, 2015

Cromat said:
Definite Bibi victory. Painful but maybe it was necessary. This time no unity, pure Right-wing coalition. Sanctions are coming.

You think the US are going to allow that? Not a chance.

RiZ III · Mar 17, 2015

teruterubozu · Mar 17, 2015

Fearmongering is an effective election tactic.

elhav · Mar 17, 2015

On behalf of all sane Israeli citizens, I sincerely apologize to everyone if Bibi will be prime minister again. Many of our people are just too fucking stupid. I mean, really now.... not this asshole again.

There is still a small chance he won't be a prime minister, since it depends on Kachlon mostly. But Kachlon originally came from Bibi's camp, and is right wing, so it is most likely he will go with Bibi in the end. Bibi, as an egomaniac, will probably never agree to join forces with the zionist camp, thus the only seeable option is of him caving in to an extremist right wing coalition of fascists and loonies.

Time to get a fucking european passport or something cuz' I'm pretty tired of this country

nib95 · Mar 17, 2015

Absolutely terrible. Immensely disappointed with all those who voted for this disgusting excuse for a leader. What a damn shame. It's like Bush being voted in a second time all over again, maybe even worse.

Father_Brain · Mar 17, 2015

APKmetsfan said:
Its going to lose US cover too. Bibi is now firmly anti-US policy. Congress will stay pro-Israel but expect a bit less, and growing isolation and less defense.

Yup. I've been seeing a welcome trend away from blind fealty towards Israel, even if it's much more gradual than I'd like.

Simply Sarah · Mar 17, 2015

elhav said:
On behalf of all sane Israeli citizens, I sincerely apologize to everyone if Bibi will be prime minister again. Many of our people are just too fucking stupid. I mean, really now.... not this asshole again.

There is still a small chance he won't be a prime minister, since it depends on Kachlon mostly. But Kachlon originally came from Bibi's camp, and is right wing, so it is most likely he will go with Bibi in the end. Bibi, as an egomaniac, will probably never agree to join forces with the zionist camp, thus the only seeable option is of him caving in to an extremist right wing coalition of fascists and loonies.

Time to get a fucking european passport or something cuz' I'm pretty tired of this country

Given his messaging the last week I'd say he's already most of the way there.

RiZ III · Mar 17, 2015

Father_Brain said:
Yup. I've been seeing a welcome trend away from blind fealty towards Israel, even if it's much more gradual than I'd like.

Unless we get a Republican president after Obama. I would image he, congress and Bibi would end up triggering a war with Iran which would completely fuck things over.

elhav · Mar 17, 2015

Simply Sarah said:
Given his messaging the last week I'd say he's already most of the way there.

See, the thing is, Bibi would be much happier without the fascists and extremists in his coalition, because he knows how much damage they can do in general. Even compared to Bibi alot of them are really really terrible.

But he cares so much about his status that he will do a lot to stay as a prime minister, even if it means fucking his own country.

However, if he indeed goes with an extreme right wing coalition, he's gonna have a really really bad time, from many fronts, and he knows it. That's what gives me the smallest fraction of hope that this time it will be different...somehow.

Though I should know better than to raise any expectations....

Dai101 · Mar 17, 2015

Well, so much of a pipe dream this was. I feel sorry for all the Palestinian people that are going to suffer even more now.

Father_Brain · Mar 17, 2015

RiZ III said:
Unless we get a Republican president after Obama. I would image he, congress and Bibi would end up triggering a war with Iran which would completely fuck things over.

The entire Israeli security establishment is against a war with Iran. I'm inclined to think it's mostly political posturing, honestly.

Oberon · Mar 17, 2015

shadowsdarknes said:
Bibi declaring victory.

Check his Twitter

Democracy failed again.

Discotheque · Mar 17, 2015

Dai101 said:
Well, so much of a pipe dream this was. I feel sorry for all the Palestinian people that are going to suffer even more now.

Yep here's to more years of destroyed homes and piles of bodies, fucking Netanyahu

Father_Brain · Mar 17, 2015

Discotheque said:
Yep here's to more years of destroyed homes and piles of bodies, fucking Netanyahu

It's not like Herzog differs that much as far as the occupation and collective punishment go.

ChoklitReign · Mar 17, 2015

AJA says Likud won by a single seat! FFS Israeli voters. Now you know how Americans felt in 2000 and 2004.

You Are Viewtiful · Mar 17, 2015

ShinRPGamer said:
You think the US are going to allow that? Not a chance.

Aren't they already happening? I'm talking about the BDS (boycott, divestment, sanctions) Movement. My cousin's university (Canada) is having a vote tomorrow on whether to boycott products that support the Israeli occupation of West Bank in any way, and it's very likely to pass (it passed last year but was vetoed by administration). I know a lot of major European banks and corporations are already in on this.

Gurish · Mar 17, 2015

dude said:
We're heading towards a National Unity government. The right can't build a coalition they can keep for more than a year.

After both Bibi and Hertzog declared not sitting together? not likely. Likud already begun negotiations with right parties.

squidyj · Mar 17, 2015

Father_Brain said:
It's not like Herzog differs that much as far as the occupation and collective punishment go.

yeah but at least he doesn't want to get in a coalition with Jewish Home.

ivysaur12 · Mar 17, 2015

fuck

Anshel Pfeffer
Channel one's adjusted projection now has far-right Yachad crossing the threshold. If they get into the Knesset, it's game-over.

elhav · Mar 17, 2015

ivysaur12 said:
fuck

fuck indeed

Matt_ · Mar 17, 2015

what happens if the two centre parties refuse to join likud?

CCS · Mar 17, 2015

Matt_ said:
what happens if the two centre parties refuse to join likud?

If Kulanu joins them Likud can put a coalition together, If not they will struggle.

Gurish · Mar 17, 2015

squidyj said:
yeah but at least he doesn't want to get in a coalition with Jewish Home.

They are more willing to make compromises, they are not as supportive for settlements, they are much more left than Bibi.
People please don't paint it in black and white, sometimes you can׳t ״release" occupation like it's a switch, there are dangerous extremists on the other side as well.

Piano · Mar 17, 2015

So even after saying all of that racist junk Bibi is going to win?

full disclosure: I do not understand how the Israeli political system works. Is there any chance he won't be prime minister?

e_i · Mar 17, 2015

The Guardian has Hertzog ahead by a slim margin.

Matt_ · Mar 17, 2015

11:59 P.M. Channel 1's corrected exit polls indicate Eli Yishai's Yahad party has crossed the electoral threshold with four Knesset seats.

The corrected polls show that Likud has gotten 27 seats, the Zionist Union 26, the Joint List 12, Yesh Atid 11, and Kulanu nine. (Haaretz)

from haaretz

squidyj · Mar 17, 2015

Piano said:
So even after saying all of that racist junk Bibi is going to win?

full disclosure: I do not understand how the Israeli political system works. Is there any chance he won't be prime minister?

It's even worse than that Piano, it's entirely probable that he won BECAUSE of all of the racist stuff he said.

Edit: Fuck all the things.

Toxi · Mar 17, 2015

Gurish said:
They are more willing to make compromises, they are not as supportive for settlements, they are much more left than Bibi.
People please don't paint it in black and white, sometimes you can׳t ״release" occupation like it's a switch, there are dangerous extremists on the other side as well.

It's kinda hard not to view it in black and white when the prime minister is saying he has zero interest in peace or compromise.

CCS · Mar 17, 2015

Piano said:
So even after saying all of that racist junk Bibi is going to win?

full disclosure: I do not understand how the Israeli political system works. Is there any chance he won't be prime minister?

It comes down to who can form a coalition. While either he or Herzog could form one, looking at the numbers he is more likely to.

Gurish · Mar 17, 2015

Piano said:
So even after saying all of that racist junk Bibi is going to win?

full disclosure: I do not understand how the Israeli political system works. Is there any chance he won't be prime minister?

Yes, if Herzog can convince Lapid (yesh atid) to sit with the Orthodox religious parties, chances are slim as they oppose each other and they are hateful rivals.

There is another option that is non existent- the Arab party agree to join a left-center coalition, not gonna happen.

Bibi's partners are much more natural, ranging from right to ultra right.

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