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Whats with the lack of gender/race diversity in the Marvel vs Capcom Infinite Roster?
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Rickenslacker
Banned
X-Men vs Street Fighter had 4 female characters too...
... Except it had half the roster count of MvC Infinite.
All the red tape behind the roster choice is lame as hell. It could be so much more, but instead we get 80% of the characters being returnees from MvC3 and more blatant MCU peddling. So bland.
Even if things were strangling on the Marvel side, I'd at least hope for more freshness on the Capcom side. Only two new characters there? And the ones we get returning are the likes of Bionic Encino Man, Chris "Boulder Punch" Redfield, and frickin' Nemesis?
... Except it had half the roster count of MvC Infinite.
All the red tape behind the roster choice is lame as hell. It could be so much more, but instead we get 80% of the characters being returnees from MvC3 and more blatant MCU peddling. So bland.
Even if things were strangling on the Marvel side, I'd at least hope for more freshness on the Capcom side. Only two new characters there? And the ones we get returning are the likes of Bionic Encino Man, Chris "Boulder Punch" Redfield, and frickin' Nemesis?
Struggle select screen
I don't think how few "sexy girls" there are is the concern here. You might be missing the point of the argument for more inclusivity here.
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
Lol are you serious. What do you think the word balance means?
NHarmonic.
Member
Such an awful selection screen and roster, i really miss marvel vs capcom 1 and 2...
pretty done
Member
Well when Monster Hunter isn't even represented it's hard to talk about "best selling" meaning anything.
Rathalos should be in, but instead Nemesis and Frank West. Capcom loves us.
Hunter not being on the base roster doesn't suddenly make Frank bottom of the barrel. That doesn't make any sense.
you miss marvel vs capcom 1 do you?
dat diversity and roster size
clearly you don't know who you're talking to.
Had not kept up with the roster, but yeah, that's... not so hot. Both in terms of the topic, and in general to be honest.
Also, huh, surprised at all the Firebrand hate. Thought he was the sort who'd be a popular semi-cult character. And I mean, dude had his own franchise, and last I checked people (well, people who remember them) liked those games quite a lot. Plus Red Arremer in the general sense was a pretty damn iconic enemy, to the point that I'd even say, if it came down to it, it wouldn't be insane to suggest him maybe taking a single spot for the GnG franchise over Arthur. (Sorry, off topic, just caught me off guard.)
Also, huh, surprised at all the Firebrand hate. Thought he was the sort who'd be a popular semi-cult character. And I mean, dude had his own franchise, and last I checked people (well, people who remember them) liked those games quite a lot. Plus Red Arremer in the general sense was a pretty damn iconic enemy, to the point that I'd even say, if it came down to it, it wouldn't be insane to suggest him maybe taking a single spot for the GnG franchise over Arthur. (Sorry, off topic, just caught me off guard.)
Turbanator
Member
Hold the figgity fuck up this nigga said he wants Sim, Anakaris, and fucking Amingo but called Frank West bottom of the barrel.
Tell me about it.
King Tubby
Member
That roster actually has a black dude in it (War Machine) and it even has more women as a percentage of the roster, counting secret character Roll.
OmnipotentO
Member
Capcom getting all the shit (and probably well deserved a fair amount) but I suspect charter selection is all marvel pushing their MCU shit to the top.
Ghost Rider is probably only in the game because he was in MvC3 and he isnt owned by anyone other than Marvel(Like the Xmen)
Spring-Loaded
Member
If your first thought is "what's the minimum that's acceptable," for having diversity (or for anything else, really), then you're starting from a bad position.
It's about being better, not being perfect.
sixteen-bit
Member
lmao
Then why is She-Hulk missing?
DLC probably. Seems the focus for Marvel was MCU everyone on that list besides Nova has a counterpart in the MCU, while Ghost Rider exists in the MCU in a minor part he was probably just convenient, as for Nova he is coming soon to the big screen apparently. I fully expect She-Hulk to be DLC. I don't think there was any kind of hidden agenda, just a lot of Marvel meddling.
Because Marvel has trouble selling her book and refuses to push her to the forefront.
Every excuse I hear about why they can't sell She Hulk sounds like some Stu Snyder bullshit.
Is the new Hulk book failing? 'Cause I really like it. One of my favourite runs of her in a while.
Choppasmith
Member
This. It look like it was made from a free 3D asset.
This is a great one:
You know it's really easy to pass off CvS2 as a great game under a real lackluster presentation but it looks MILES above what we're getting in Infinite.
I love how the character selection is perfectly mirrored with a lot of thought it into character "rivalries". You've got the obvious ones
Ryu/Kyo The main heroes
Chun-Li/Mai Leading ladies
Zangief/Raiden The big grapplers
But then you have offbeat ones that still make sense
Blanka/Benimaru Lightning Beast vs Lightning Beauty
Dhalsim/Kim The pure and chaste fighters
Morrigan/Nakoruru Leading ladies from their respective series or innocent purity vs dark and sexy.
Infinite's roster just looks so random in comparison.
Zen_Arcade
Banned
Well for the Marvel side they're mainly using MCU characters, which they've been slow to add diversity to until recently.
I don't know what Capcom's side is about.
I don't know what Capcom's side is about.
BronsonLee
Member
They just HAD to put Firebrand and Arthur in
You just reminded why I have to read less GAF posts (or, more precisely, post from people like you) and spend more time playing games.
Just stop.
Is it easy? What's wrong with the presentation?
The psuedo-mouse based selection cursor, I guess? Seems like a minor point, though.
It's a shame. Third Strike had better diversity and that game came out 18 years ago. Three black characters, characters from every continent except Oceania/Antarctica, four girls and one non-binary character. There were 20 characters in that game and 30 in the MvCI roster. No excuses.
I always thought the character portraits were kind of ugly and Capcom put almost no effort into revising the sprites for their characters. Most of them are either ripped straight from Alpha 3, or in Morrigan's case, Darkstalkers. SNK created all-new sprites for all of their characters, and it shows.
I always thought the character portraits were kind of ugly and Capcom put almost no effort into revising the sprites for their characters. Most of them are either ripped straight from Alpha 3, or in Morrigan's case, Darkstalkers. SNK created all-new sprites for all of their characters, and it shows.
Choppasmith
Member
All these years I felt CvS2's overall package was a bit lazy. Tons of reused sprites, half-assed English translation (with a lot of character vs character and character team dialog removed) and aside from flat stage cameos there's very little acknowledgement of either company's history.
Yet it still feels like it has more overall effort done than Infinite to me and that has more universe-specific stages and a more in depth story mode.
DAREALGUMMY
Member
Meh, MVCI has a lot of cast issues besides not having enough women or poc in it.
Mix Master
Member
Miles is a shit tier character and belongs in the garbage. If he ever comes to the movies then I'll boycott forever.
SpideySenses
Member
You don't have to wait long, he has a movie next year.
It's not an either or situation.
An animated movie that's not set in the MCU. That said,
Miles was teased in Homecoming.
Can't believe that there are only 5 new characters in this game (Though I guess Thanos was heavily redesigned? Didn't watch much footage featuring him). They don't even fill a row. While SFxTKN had a lot of recycling on the Capcom side at least they were from the same generation and the Entire Tekken cast was brand new.
BlazinSkatinAxel
Member
They should have used the Civil War roster as a base roster for Marvel.
War Machine
Falcon
Black Panther
should've been on the base roster.
War Machine
Falcon
Black Panther
should've been on the base roster.
DAREALGUMMY
Member
I phrased it poorly, but I just meant there's tons of issues with the roster as is. Marvel/Capcom seem hellbent on deciding on characters that would push their current interest or just using dull reuses of their assets. Something like diversity issues would seem far lower on their radar then the already low importance of popular wants of fans.
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
Since it's mainly super heroes I can let it slide. I'm mostly looking at variety in terms of what stands out iconicly, which I think the game does fine in. I'm not too invested in marvel, so I don't know if there are many heavy hitters with different backgrounds they could use, besides the already dlc'd black panther. If storm was added that would be perfect for me, but of course, that's with x-men so it's a no-go.
kunonabi
Member
It's less about it not checking off that diversity checklist but just being a total failure of a roster to begin with.
Comparing this roster to KOF XIV is like night and day.
DAREALGUMMY
Member
Yup.
Weltall Zero
Member
Uh, you might want to recalibrate your sarcasm detector...
Camp Freddie
Member
Of all the Marvel characters to ignore in a fighting game, Black Widow is the strangest. I mean, she's got the best fight choreography in the movies by miles. A character who uses super-agile martial arts skills instead of tech/mutant/magic powers is surely an ideal fit for a fighting game.
Pieman0920
Member
I'd argue the opposite really for this game. For a hyper fighting game, you should go with someone outlandish and has unique powers or abilities. I know we had Jill last game, but most people preferred her more extreme MvC2 version.
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