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David Hayter not reprising his role as Snake in Metal Gear Solid 5? Statement
- Thread starter Mr. RHC
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Speedwagon
Michelangelo painted the Sistine Chapel. Yabuki turned off voice chat in Mario Kart races. True artists of their time.
Your posts are incredibly conceited and queer. Not everyone is against his decision.
BIONIC-ARRRMMM!!
Member
Nor is everyone for it. Opposing sides, how do they work?
I will say this though, if this isn't a ruse I'll be a little disappointed at them dumping Hayter without even giving him an explanation. You'd think after 15 years and even taking a paycut to reunite the cast for Twin Snakes, he should have earned that.
This is what my thought was as well. If this is some kind of ruse, I imagine that Solid Snake makes an appearance in the game somehow.
This is what my thought was as well. If this is some kind of ruse, I imagine that Solid Snake makes an appearance in the game somehow.
What makes you so sure Snake is voiced by Sutherland?
Hot Coldman
Banned
Paul Eiding and David Hayter in EVIL ZONE 2
brandonh83
Banned
There'd be nothing clever at all about it though =\
There wasn't anything clever about Moby Dick studios either.
Pyrrhus
Member
The only person? Uh, what about Kurt Russell? Honestly, I think it could have been anybody with a Hollywood name and Kojima-sama would have been willing to shitcan Hayter or anybody else on his team. I would like to know who the asshole was who brought this proposal to him, though.
GAF had that shit cracked in literally minutes. He thinks he's some kind of master of deception because the game magazines colluded with him 13 years ago to hide his grab for the Japanese teenage girl market.
Probably the most likely explanation. He has always been a fan of Hollywood, so this wouldn't come as a surprise.
brandonh83
Banned
I agree but it just felt like they were having some fun with that. I don't think this Hayter stuff is some kind of ruse.
Like someone else said, it might be a ploy to cover up a potential Solid Snake appearance somewhere in the game. Or it's just a silly PR stunt to keep people talking about the game.
In general Kojima has been crafty a few too many times for me to buy him at his words at initial value anymore (boy who cried wolf, etc)
If Blaustein is to be believed, Scott Dolph is quite the asshole
I dont think hes involved with KojiPro anymore though.
Supreme Stephan
Member
I just don't get Kojima. If he really wants to do something different, then why doesn't he go and work on a new IP for Pete's sake! Instead he enforces game breaking changes to MGS.
Hayter is only acting as someone who is really attached to the role and it's sad that after 15 years he's been very poorly considered because he was given no explanation at all, he's more classy that most of the people would've been in his situation...
I have to say though if really Kojima changed the VA because didn't like Hayter for a serious reason and not because he talked shit about MGS4 or whatever reason then i respect him because he really wants his games be the way he thinks is the best (he's still a shit because he should've talked to Hayter about it)
However from a personal point they still have lost me as a costumer because Hayter really helped to make MGS what it is and VAs are nearly impossible to replace especially after this much time.
I have to say though if really Kojima changed the VA because didn't like Hayter for a serious reason and not because he talked shit about MGS4 or whatever reason then i respect him because he really wants his games be the way he thinks is the best (he's still a shit because he should've talked to Hayter about it)
However from a personal point they still have lost me as a costumer because Hayter really helped to make MGS what it is and VAs are nearly impossible to replace especially after this much time.
akidnamededdy
Banned
Pretty much this for me, too. After the whole Joakim/Moby Dick think, which was fun to read along with but in the end really served no purpose at all, I'm not writing off any possibility until I'm playing the released game.
If Blaustein is to be believed, Scott Dolph is quite the asshole
Could I get some elaboration on this? What did Scott Dolph do?
Because Konami has zero interest in giving him money to create anything but MGS games.
So its wrong for people to believe a more plausible theory than #TeamCG?
(I was a #TeamCG member myself, but really this is a more logical ruse than that)
OutToLunch
Neo Member
The only way Hayter makes an appearance is in a flashback sequence.
I would say it's more timeline issues we are getting closer and closer to MG1 period with Young Solid Snake being part of Big Boss Foxhound. Kojima already had 2 different VAs in MGS4 for the epilogue the change now is to get people used to the new VA inside of switching it later last minute.
Red Chocobo
Banned
Hayters voice would have never made it into a movie. The audience would have laughed their way out of the cinema.
I guess the theory that they are readying us for a movie-style snake is quite plausible.
I guess the theory that they are readying us for a movie-style snake is quite plausible.
BigBadShamoo
Banned
lol kojima be dat crazy kat. As long as it's not terrible like the voice actor change for Ash Ketchum from the Pokemon tv show. We'll be ok i think.
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I had no idea I referred to Hayter as Snake on accident earlier on.
Tells you how much of an impact he's had on the character, at least on my part.
Tells you how much of an impact he's had on the character, at least on my part.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
You mean flash forward?
If the doctor wasn't lying to Big Boss about the coma then Solid Snake would still be a small child in MGSV. There's no reason for Solid Snake to make an appearance, and if he did he definitely wouldn't be voiced by Hayter.
OutToLunch
Neo Member
You mean flash forward?
If the doctor wasn't lying to Big Boss about the coma then Solid Snake would still be a small child in MGSV. There's no reason for Solid Snake to make an appearance, and if he did he definitely wouldn't be voiced by Hayter.
Sure. I've purchased every game in the series but haven't completed any since the days of NES so im clueless about the stories and timelines. Honestly couldn't stand Hayter. Really hoping whoever they choose is an improvement.
Looking at what is currently going on in Metal Gear I wouldn't surprised if people laugh their way out anyway.
ChimpBottle
Member
I ran the samples from the trailer through my voice database. Their voices match up.
Duane Cunningham
Member
If they're still planning on using Hayter as Solid eventually, they should've told him.
Would he have admitted if he knew that he will appear later. Hayter might appear in a future game not MGS5 but future game not really set in stone yet Kojima might finally break away from MGS
Yes it's the greatest sin ever.
MeBecomingI
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Lord-Audie said:
Hmm. Being with the Metal Gear Solid franchise from the beginning and being enveloped in the series and characters for as long as he has been is more of a close mutual working relationship so if I were in his shoes, I'd want to be given a good reason to why I am not returning to voice a character I've helped give life too and helped sell and marketing for many years. To be disposed of in such a nonchalant manner without any reason is fairly disrespectful.
Your opinion may be shared by others on here, but there are also others who don't feel his performances were terrible post MGS1 (I thought he was great in each performance and would like him to come back) and just as you want him gone, we want him back. Simple as that... it goes both ways.
You seem to use this "Stay classy, Hayter" line as a dig but Kojima and the Konami team lacked just as much class in not providing someone who has been with the franchise for so long (and someone who helped establish the characters that sell the damn games) a sufficient reason as to why he will not return but instead given a form of the cold shoulder, essentially. And then they come out and give the public some strange response about wanting to change the character and yet they keep the Japanese voice actor the same; someone who just the same is important to character as Hayter is. Stick to your guns and change them both or don't change either then. Using classy as a dig, then they have been just as "classy" as Hayter has been who is well within his rights to vent his sadness. Kojima can change the characters voice on a whim and stay silent to Hayter and Hayter can say what he wants about not returning.
Also, his role is provide the public the voice of a character so if he is not coming back he can damn well go on to Twitter and see how people would respond if he wants. If they still don't want him back, he has every reason to express his sadness and annoyance on a public forum because he is no longer involved with the project. However, it isn't like he is going around saying "Damn Kojima, that asshole! I hope his game fails now!" or saying some slanderous shit. He has done nothing anywhere near that sort.
With that said, I would hope that if they bring back Solid Snake for another game they would ask Hayter to return. As I said, he is not slandering Kojima and Konami, so I can't see them permanently cutting ties with him over it his vocal disappointment in not coming back. If anything, Hayter being as he is should be almost flattering to Kojima given he created a character that Hayter loved so much that he would express such emotion in not returning to voice the character. With that said, Kojima just up and said no to him returning once so I do think Hayter should slow down a bit and leave his statement today be his peace. I don't want him to forget it though, because I wouldn't.
This just seems like too much to stuff out of place to be a ruse. I can't see them waiting to long to release this so I'm sure they are very deep in recording (if not done already) and it seems Hayter is really out of the loop so he won't be involved. Such a damn shame.
Tesseract
Banned
me too i had chloe double check it to be sure.
Duane Cunningham
Member
Kojima very well could change his mind, too, who knows. After every MGS since two, he's pretty much said he's not making another one and always gets pulled back in, so he could change his mind on this, too.
Pyrrhus
Member
Not a chance, especially since people want him to.
R
Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
Well that's a result of his staff being inept apparently when it comes to making decisions in large scale development.
I used to think it was just BS myself and that he was just a control freak
then pretty much the exact thing he described during MGS3 and MGS4's development happened with MGS Rising resulting in the cancellation of that project.
So maybe he's not lying
I think there is some credibility in the notion that seiyuu's are not replaced as often as western VAs (where a VA staying the same for years is typically only for really big name characters like Kevin Conroy Batman, where even that is not close to absolute, or truly exceptional cases like Claire Redfield having the exact same voice since RE2's release despite every character since going through like 3-4 different VAs).
At the very least, some japanese audiences have raised big ruckuses over VA replacements for relatively minor/moderately used characters (in case point, replacing Four's seiyuu in the Zeta Gundam movies despite how Four is not that major of a character even in the confines of the 50 episode series, let alone other media since then).
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Retro_
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There's that and that Akio Ohtsuka is pretty much as big as it gets in the world of Japanese Seiyuu to begin with. There's no upgrading Ohtsuka
There's no reason for a recast there.
Cyborg
Member
I definitely agree. However, that still goes back to the non-answer Kojima provided at the GT interview. Whether something was lost in translation, I don't know (and he would come across as much worse if he explicitly noted that Ohtsuka is just a superior VA to Hayter). I would think that Kojima just explaining that he wanted a new direction for western audiences would have been better. Or even an explanation being like "He's Solid Snake, but we do not feel like he is a good choice for older Big Boss" would have been the most sensible choice.
But instead, he gives an answer which really does not make much sense in the grand scheme of things, especially if Ohtsuka voices Snake/Big Boss in the exact same way he has been doing for the past decade and a half. That, in combination with how they did not give Hayter much of a reason for declining his future services, does not really make Kojima look all that great.
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Retro_
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I'm kind of thinking that twitlonger thing is an April Fools joke with him signing the date at the end of it
I'll be so disappointed if I'm right
I'll be so disappointed if I'm right