Subtervotion
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D1 vanilla had skirmish 3v3, sabotage 3v3, and rumble ffa. So no.
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Destiny 2: Seven minutes of Survival gameplay on Altar of Flame - IGN First
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D1 vanilla had skirmish 3v3, sabotage 3v3, and rumble ffa. So no.
Velocity:Design:Comfort
Banned
Yeah, or even a third option for each class ability would be cool, or in theory, even a whole upgrade tree for it. But I do like how it is currently too. A well placed empowering rift has won me games.
Shadestep instant reloads your primary weapon.
Instantly activates while Barricade and Warlock rifts has a startup.
Damn useful considering Shadestep can save your life by getting out of situations from enemy fire/ambush.
Helps you close the gap between you and your opponent if you have a shotgun/fusion/close range weapon.
Throw your opponent's prediction of your movement off guard when dueling.
JetBlackPanda
Member
I mained a titan in D1 but had all three at 400.
I was able to wreck in D2 crucible with a hunter. Getting away form a skirmish is huge in pvp right now, also it reloads or give you another knife. The golden gun super can kill 2-3 people almost every time with range. the knife explodes now, chains of woe gives reload speed boost to allies.
the triple jump is pretty good too.
also cloaks.
Shadestep doesn't reload your weapon, that's the dash dodge.
Shadestep recharges melee if you're close to an enemy.
Shadestep was also nerfed in both range, invisibility being removed,and aim assist seems to be implemented against it now.
What I'm trying to say is that it's bad, real bad now.
HawksWinStanley
Member
Hmm, ok I can kind of see the individual benefit although I'm not completely convinced the payoff is worth it – I think I'd still much rather have either of the other two. And these abilities are in PVE too, right? I'm not sure how psyched I'd be to have a team full of Hunters when the shit hits the fan. You all roll once and then you're just vulnerable again? Meh, maybe it's just not my play style. If Hunter players feel it's balanced though then I guess that's all you can ask for.
Ok so it doesn't sound too shabby if you're primarily playing PVP.
Bungie has never been big on giving into fan requests regarding mechanics. This is their vision and I think it looks like a been there, done that, and what's unique about this feeling for me
Salty Rice
Member
I fucking hate this. Give people the at least the option to play with more people.
But hey its Bungie. Giving people options is the last thing they do.
Its "You cant play Raids with randoms!" all over again.
The Last Wizard
Member
Seems like thatll be part of the expansions.
Twilight Gap
Member
So...
Another flat as a washboard map that revolves around sitting behind chest-high cover with a pulse rifle and shooting down a lane until somebody dies
Another flat as a washboard map that revolves around sitting behind chest-high cover with a pulse rifle and shooting down a lane until somebody dies
Orochinagis
Member
"New"
electricpirate
Member
That's not entirely right.
Stats and perks matter but power is normalized. So that shitty starter rifle can go toe to toe with the purple power monster.
Better weapons have some perks that mostly don't affect ttk (luck in the chamber is the big exception there. But it's a big random roll) so they probably handle better, but the ttk is going to be the same. The differences are all subtle.
So a max light character will have better gear, but the purple gun is maybe 10 percent better than the green gun in the same class in pvp
wesleyshark
Banned
They're clearly talking about pvp with the 4v4 comment. Raids will still be 6 man teams as far as we know.
I don't mind some modes being 4v4 but having that cover all of pvp sucks, quite honestly. Give us a mode with 6v6 or higher. What's the point of clans for predominantly pvp players if we can't actually play with a large amount of clanmates at once? Lol
Yeah, I'm saying there shouldn't be a technical limitation to allowing 6 v 6.
I think 4 v 4 is a better size for the standard PvP, but I would be surprised to see them not include a 6 v 6 option at some point.
At least there are no doors! Progress!
I do think Endless Vale is pretty flat. This one as well. But Midtown was a little more classic Destiny map. Most Destiny 1 maps that come to mind weren't THAT vertical.
Shil Pencer
Member
I think we are going to see way more events that are Trials of Osiris based and keeping the normal crucible at 4v4 will make sure people are used to that format. Going from the regular crucible in Destiny 1 to Trials is one hell of a shell shock
Twilight Gap
Member
I don't know off of the top of my head, but there was overall more height variation in the maps as far as I know. They've shown 5 PvP maps for this game so far and 2 of them are very flat, with Midtown being in the middle.
Midtown has about as much verticality as most Destiny 1 maps. Most of the verticality was just a jump away anyway.
Weapon stats and perks matter, as well as the overall archetype of the weapon. However, attributes like "extra damage for precision shots" gets applied differently for PvP and PVE. It might be a 20% gain for PVE and a 3% gain for PvP.
Also, power levels don't matter. A 280 power version of a weapon is the same as the 210 version in PvP. The only exception are the occasional special events for elite high-level players; iron banner and trials of osiris. Even then, the differences aren't as extreme as PVE and low-level or individuals without a team can't enter the Trials. So, outside of high-level events, you don't need a particular weapon to hold your own.
I thought Endless Vale had some pretty good verticality that I didn't see many people utilize. I had some pretty sweet success by jumping up pillars along the side lanes to "ambush" people from above by hip firing an SMG from directly on top of people that had their eyes set at ground level.
Edit: Also the B point is just high enough where you have to expose yourself if you jump up to the control point from the side lane. I got a TON of kills with the range scope on the scout rifle by just sitting back and waiting for folks to jump up to capture B. They were always way out of range with their weapons to fight back.
me too
wesleyshark
Banned
I'll third that. The mode looks ok, but I was hoping for a horde mode instead.
Twilight Gap
Member
Blind Watch, Exodus Blue, Rusted Lands, Firebase Delphi, Bastion, Twilight Gap, Bannerfall, Floating Gardens, and Widow's Court have more verticality and/or height variation than Midtown. Midtown is evenly displaced 3 levels, and there isn't really a point where all 3 interact.
Hmm.. I wonder if the game will launch with a PoE, Archons Forge/Court of Oryx like thing.
yanipheonu
Member
So apparently Mercury is intact... Or at least intact enough for a multiplayer map lol
everyday math
Banned
Today was a pvp reveal. Don't see how horde comes out of that.
Map looks ok. Very clean, but easily forgettable in terms of looks.
Mode looks fun.
Map looks ok. Very clean, but easily forgettable in terms of looks.
Mode looks fun.
If there is a new Prison of Elders/Challenge of the Elders-like mode, there damn well better be optional matchmaking for it this time.
wesleyshark
Banned
I sure hope so
Agreed. It looks larger than the two beta maps for sure.
I thought maybe the planet that gets evaporated in the one trailer may have been Mercury. I guess not!
MythicReclaimer
Member
In the PvE video yesterday they said they took the Archon's Forge/Court of Oryx concept and applied it to Public Events, etc so I took that as a no regarding a similar mode being in at launch.
Edit: To expand on this after watching it again (they talk about this exact subject not even a minute in here), they say instead of having one focused area (meaning AF/CoO) they applied that concept to PvE events across all four new destinations.
wesleyshark
Banned
Well when you call your game mode "Survival".... And the thread started off with a gameplay video. No indication it was pvp before watching the video, so it was an easily placed hope to have.
The idea that Mercury was being blown up was silly speculation, I think.
That would have been terrible, considering we haven't been able to actually go there outside of PvP yet.
Jest Chillin
Member
This comes across strangely to me considering one of the biggest criticisms of D1 was that there was so much mini-horde mode gameplay. Public Events where you stand in a specific area fighting off waves of enemies that spawn up until a timer ends. points in missions where your Ghost is scanning while you fight off hordes of enemies until a timer runs out.
I don't personally have an issue with these things. Just pointing out that Destiny already has instances of horde-mode gameplay. It's just not endless hordes, racking up high scores until you die-style horde mode.
yanipheonu
Member
Mostly it was the fact the sun clearly splits in half, coupled with an explosion at some point, so Mercury clearly was a possible casuality.
I could see them having Mercury heavily damaged but held together with Red Legion and/or Vex technology. Could make for an interesting map actually.
Edit:
MythicReclaimer
Member
And I'm sure this is exactly what people want from a horde mode with similar survival type game modes from ODST and customization from Reach.
Jest Chillin
Member
I suppose so. It just strikes me as odd because so many people have called the mini versions that Destiny had boring gameplay.
Lunafreya Nox Fleuret
Member
Shaax's comments are amazing.
MythicReclaimer
Member
Could be a great mode if done correctly and by that I mean by being it's own mode with real matchmaking, progression, and loot/rewards with interval boss battles, etc.
I wish the Halo franchise would release a stand-alone game titled, well, Halo: Firefight that borrowed from every corner of the Halo-verse concerning weapons, gear, vehicles, characters, locations/environments etc while having in-depth progression systems (soldier-to-spartan) with loot/rewards while having a number of different survival/arcade Firefight gametypes with, again, boss battles, etc.
wesleyshark
Banned
I guess I'm in the minority but PoE and CoO were a lot of fun to me. I want more of that.
Jest Chillin
Member
You know, I didn't even think of those but they are even more Horde-mode-like than the stuff I mentioned.
I guess the endless aspect is really important for fans of Horde modes though.
A dedicated, structured mode that encouraged cooperative play and with appropriate rewards is what people ask for with that kind of mode. Not repetitive encounters defending your ghost against waves during a story mission. (Which haven't been a staple of Destiny since launch.)
Jest Chillin
Member
But as WesleyShark pointed out, that's what PoE is. It just lacks being Endless. And the top tier doesn't have matchmaking.
MythicReclaimer
Member
Meh, it could have been and if a mode like it returns needs to be expanded on a lot.
The matchmaking thing and a Skolas type encounter(s) is a discussion which I don't even want to broach around these parts or any parts for that matter.
Darryl M R
Member
Seems like an interesting PVP mode. Whenever I watch Crucible videos I get reminded that Titan's void kit is so versatile and Hunters need love.
MythicReclaimer
Member
I'm still in awe of the fact that the Sentinel Titan has two super options at one time and none of the other classes/subclasses have such a feature and the only thing remotely close to an explanation from Bungie is "everyone at the studio loves the Ward of Dawn and Titans in general."
Edit: And just for the record I love the Ward of Dawn too and the idea of having two different super options at one time with a press and a hold button mechanic but if one subclass is going to have it then all of them should feature it.