Doesn't seem so implausible to me. I spent like a couple days before getting used to Keyboard and Mouse when I started playing FPS. I spent way more time than that to get used to playing console shooter with twin sticks. Usually all I see around here is "Yeah, I gave gyro assist a couple of hours, it sucked, turned that shit right off"
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TheSrb2DUDE: Splatoon 2- Motion controld vs sticks?
- Thread starter foxuzamaki
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It amuses me that stick controls became the standard for console shooting games, when growing up, the console ports from arcade in this genre played like garbage with the standard controller. It's too bad Wii FPS games never really got much attention.
SkyTurnsRed
Banned
I'm still trying to adjust. What are your sensitivity settings, everyone?
I used motion on the Wii U because for whatever reason my brain can't comprehend twin stick on a device like the gamepad/switch portable. I switched to sticks on the Pro Controller and I am performing consistently well, typically at the top of my team even in turf war. I like not having to constantly split my attention between jumping and the camera center button.
Admittedly, yes. It's my opinion from my experience, I won't claim to have any statistics, but the fact that analog aiming continues to be the console standard and motion aiming is mostly ignored seems to agree with me.
It isn't exactly an outlandish theory, people have been using classic controllers for years upon years, is it any wonder that many aficionados would resist change? Especially as many cases of motion control require a level of "physical control" so to speak that "regular" controls don't. There's an adaptation period and steep-ish learning curve many prefer to avoid altogether because they're fine with the way they're doing things now.
Not that I'm saying motion controls should be used everywhere or anything of the sort.
everyone is different so I'd recommend going into the weapons test area and fiddling around with your sensitivity settings
I go max motion and +2 for the stick though
The lack of Y axis control on the right stick makes playing handheld too difficult for me. I play exclusively with split joy-cons docked or tabletop.
I am sooo so much better aiming and maneuvering with the joy-con than I was with the tablet. In Splatoon 1 motion on tablet felt weird so I opted to use the sticks and I was never that great. But it feels so natural to me to use my right hand for aiming and right thumb for spinning me around in split Joy-con mode, when I play like that I honestly have no quarrels with the lack of R-stick Y-axis control.
I played salmon run all weekend hovering around professional %185 to %205 difficultly and it did wonders for getting the handle of things. When things are that hectic you basically have to master movement or else you'll get overwhelmed. I learned how to do 180 turns in an instant (flick wrist and move the stick together) and it almost feels unfair when i play PvP because I can often pull reversals on people who got the drop on me.
The main thing that took some getting used to with the control scheme is getting a feel for how much your aim gets thrown off when you move the camera with the right stick. Sometimes I'll move the right stick but my aim would go too far in one direction so I had readjust my crosshair with motion. After a while though I learned to anticipate where my crosshair was going to end up.
The movement in this game is so good, I have never been able to play this aggressively in a third person shooter before. I think I am better with this than I am with a kayboard and mouse, granted I am not great with a mouse.
I am sooo so much better aiming and maneuvering with the joy-con than I was with the tablet. In Splatoon 1 motion on tablet felt weird so I opted to use the sticks and I was never that great. But it feels so natural to me to use my right hand for aiming and right thumb for spinning me around in split Joy-con mode, when I play like that I honestly have no quarrels with the lack of R-stick Y-axis control.
I played salmon run all weekend hovering around professional %185 to %205 difficultly and it did wonders for getting the handle of things. When things are that hectic you basically have to master movement or else you'll get overwhelmed. I learned how to do 180 turns in an instant (flick wrist and move the stick together) and it almost feels unfair when i play PvP because I can often pull reversals on people who got the drop on me.
The main thing that took some getting used to with the control scheme is getting a feel for how much your aim gets thrown off when you move the camera with the right stick. Sometimes I'll move the right stick but my aim would go too far in one direction so I had readjust my crosshair with motion. After a while though I learned to anticipate where my crosshair was going to end up.
The movement in this game is so good, I have never been able to play this aggressively in a third person shooter before. I think I am better with this than I am with a kayboard and mouse, granted I am not great with a mouse.
FaintDeftone
Junior Member
I'm terrible with the motion controls in this game. However, if it truly is the best way to play, maybe I should reconsider my stance and practice using them. I just feel like every time I use motion controls I flail around too much and get myself splatted. Like most people in here are saying, I would be much happier if they didn't lock the stick down to the X axis and let me use the gyro for fine tuning. I love doing that in the Vita Uncharted and Killzone games. Give us the best of both worlds, Nintendo.
most likely yeah
Are the controls different for split-joy con mode? I need to give it a shot, maybe it fixes my problem with it (I guess it's still only horizontal stick movement?)
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Deleted member 231381
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Max for motion, +2 for stick. Varies by load out, though. Tend to turn it down for chargers.
Motion controls are factually better and there's no discussion that can be made out of that fact. It's not possible to argue against it. If you want to handicap yourself you are free to do so, though. It's the equivalent of using a controller in a PC shooter.
When motion is enabled, motion works on both axis and the stick only works on the X axis.
That's not true.
When motion is enabled, motion works on both axis and the stick only works on the X axis.
Jaded Alyx
Member
I'm convinced that some people just don't understand how to use motion controls properly, and that's why some people have so much trouble with it. I base this on the comments I've read here on GAF. People who apparently think they have to wave their controller around in the air, to others who don't realise that you are supposed to use the right stick as well to make the bigger movements and that it's not just motion only.
Emphasis on some.
Emphasis on some.
No the controls are the same (for motion) but I find the lack of y-axis control to be less of a problem if I play split controllers. The right joy-con controls the aim, it's easy to tilt around in that position. I rest my hands on my legs when I sit, pretty comfortable to me.
That makes sense, I guess it does feel lightgun-y? Sorry I can't try it today and just curious.
I would prefer handheld mode to be better tho - unlock the y-axis on the stick and lower the sensitivity on that axis!
Gaming is serious business.
Muffin Awesome
Member
Honestly, why why do this? Why not give options for both and have an a/b/c variant scheme?
Unless it somehow breaks the game this makes no sense to me.
NumberThree
Member
I'm terrible with sticks, so I don't think I'd be able to hit anything with a charger if it wasn't for motion controls. It's still not my weapon of choice for competitive, but at least I'm not useless if I get one in Salmon Run.
Hmm lightgun, I guess kinda? If you ever played the Wii it feels a little bit like using a Wiimote to aim except it doesn't have to be pointed at the screen obviously.
Agreed, i'd love to play handheld but I just know those stubby analog sticks won't cut it.
I use max motion control sensitivity when I use motion controls, anything lower and I just feel like I have to move too much to turn.
Chronospherics
Member
Seems to be a Splatoon specific thing though? Because when I watch ESL Call of Duty or Halo, the players have no issues doing 180s and 360s incredibly quickly. Easily acquiring targets far faster than the guy demonstrates in this video.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
I tried motion controls about 10 different times and just cannot get used to it. Having to hit Y all the time to reset the view is just frustrating.
Sticks it is, for me anyways.
Sticks it is, for me anyways.
Twilight Princess
Member
Still waaaaay shittier than mouse aiming.
of course you can just stick with the sticks I just wanted to point out that if you're having to reset the camera all the time then something is wrong either with how you're controlling the game or with the controller itself. at most you should only have to hit the camera reset button at the start of a match.
Uh... Never seen a Call of Duty on console that do 180 or 360 faster than mouselook.
Guess Activision should port one to switch so we can find out
Those games don't have motion control though, there is a cap on turning speed for all players. In Splatoon you can spin around as fast as you can flick your wrist so the baseline speed for competitive play is higher.
BRocknRolla
Member
Those games also have large amounts of aim assist, so you can whip around and still shoot accurately with sticks if the sensitivity is turned up high.
GuitarAtomik
Member
I can definitely see the argument for it. I've switched back and forth between motion and sticks only and mostly prefer the gyro, but I'd say a lot of that is because I purely play in handheld mode and the sticks on the Joycon aren't as good (or at least as comfortable) as a regular controller's for obvious reasons. I have a lot of trouble following my opponent in fast matches as well because I'm literally tilting my screen in all kinds of directions. Really wish they'd let you have full stick control with gyro.
Jaded Alyx
Member
Motion controls in Splatoon clicked with me almost instantly. I'm someone who only played shooters with either a mouse or pointer controls so I guess I didn't have any analog stick muscle memory to get rid of.
UnemployedVillain
Member
Comments like this are why this video needed to be made. Does it matter? Says stick user subtly shitting on motion controls are the method for people who aren't serious or don't care
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Lightning Lord
Banned
Unfortunately I don't think it will ever be implemented by many developers given how many people automatically dismiss it.
PMurphy1978
Neo Member
I'm not a fan, turned it off after giving it a try and turned up the sensitivity of the sticks.
as long as they have the option to dismiss it motion should still be included
slowly but surely the gospel will be spread
Those games have aim assist. Splatoon doesn't
Candescence
Member
Like Splatoon 1, gyro aiming clicked pretty easily for me. Sure, Y axis stick aiming would be nice as well, but I really don't have any problem with its absence. Though I guess it helps that I generally avoid console shooters like the plague because twin-stick aiming is a garbage fire.
Still not as good as the Steam Controller implementation (trackpads+gyro) or M&KB, but gyro-supplemented controls are frankly the most tolerable way to experience a console shooter as of yet, for me. It's baffling that PS4 games simply don't use that functionality.
Still not as good as the Steam Controller implementation (trackpads+gyro) or M&KB, but gyro-supplemented controls are frankly the most tolerable way to experience a console shooter as of yet, for me. It's baffling that PS4 games simply don't use that functionality.
Hate any form of gyro controls in shooters and Splatoon is no different. The act of floating around a controller in the air just doesn't give anywhere near accurate feedback in comparison imo. I'm sure you can get great with it though but not for me.
What seriously doesn't help is the stick controls on Splatoon are far from great versus other console benchmark shooters. Big deadzones and lack of individual X/Y sensitivity options is just bad. Love the game though.
What seriously doesn't help is the stick controls on Splatoon are far from great versus other console benchmark shooters. Big deadzones and lack of individual X/Y sensitivity options is just bad. Love the game though.
I have no issue with people using sticks instead of gyro, they're handing me easy wins.
What makes me laugh is that people blame their suckage on the controls, the video demonstrates how accurate it is and they keep spewing bullshit?
Learn the damn controls, lose a few matches, get to the test stage or play single player but stop saying the controls are bad because you're too lazy to learn a new control scheme.
What makes me laugh is that people blame their suckage on the controls, the video demonstrates how accurate it is and they keep spewing bullshit?
Learn the damn controls, lose a few matches, get to the test stage or play single player but stop saying the controls are bad because you're too lazy to learn a new control scheme.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Are they, though? I've won plenty with regular controls, and gotten first a number of times. Seems cocky just to assume motion is 100% better all the time.