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Microsoft Surface Pro 4 announced: "better in nearly every way" (The Verge)
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nicoga3000
Saint Nic
Is it still worth getting a Pro 4 or a Book off of a site like Swappa? Has MS fixed all the issues this thing was facing earlier in it's life? I want a good device for comics, drawing, emulators, Office, and possibly some CAD work.
TheGravemind
Banned
dude it's great
nicoga3000
Saint Nic
But the issues surrounding the product at launch are fixed? I bought a Pro 4 a while back but returned it due to the "wake from sleep", blue screen, pen errors, battery issues, etc. I'm assuming they've fixed it?
And is it "safe" to buy one of these from a place like Swappa?
MadJackChurchill
Banned
Soooo...when we getting Pro 5?
Every time this thread is bumped Im hoping it's an announcment.
From the rumors I've read people are saying announcement in march. Apparently MS discounted the pro 4 and book earlier this month. Leading some to speculate that the new models were coming soon.
Im so ready for a surface book 2, as long as I can shove 32gb of ram in it.
I've been doing a fair amount of basic graphic design work at my job lately and although I'm currently ok with the laptop I am using I have always been interested in the Surface Pro.
I am entertaining an excuse to purchase one and I'm curious if anyone uses their Surface solely for work and if they do any design and autocad work on it and looking for feedback on it.
I am entertaining an excuse to purchase one and I'm curious if anyone uses their Surface solely for work and if they do any design and autocad work on it and looking for feedback on it.
I have been using both a Surface Pro 4 and a Surface book for design work, using primarily Photoshop, Illustrator, Indesign, After Effects, Premiere, 3DS Max, Cinema 4D and 3DCoat.
I also have several colleagues who use one as their work-at-home PC for whenever they're not at the office.
I'll be happy to answer any questions you might have.
nicoga3000
Saint Nic
What specs are the ones you're using for this stuff? Trying to weigh all the options.
The Pro 4 was an i5 8gb ram, and the Surface Book was an i5 dGPU.
But your experience will vary extremely as there's a lot of programs and they all stress the machine in different ways.
The 3D stuff wasn't enjoyable on the Pro 4. It was tolerable on the Book.
Both machines handles Illustrator and Indesign with ease. Photoshop depending on what you do. I found that documents with very large number of artboards and tons of layers tend to bog them both down. But hey, they bog down my desktop work pc as well at times.
The biggest issue with the Book was for me, that I couldn't connect an external GPU to it, which would make it perfect to bring to work as well.
Agent Icebeezy
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I think that the Surface Pro 5 may be in my future. I believe that it is coming, based on rumors and with my educator discount, it may make for an inexpensive purchase, all things considered.
I'm very, very happy with my 4, so I won't be upgrading, though I do wonder what they will improve on it. More power, of course, but I wonder if the design will change substantially.
Really? how so? The software was pretty rubbish the first 6 months, but I haven't had any major issues in a very long time with the SP4.
You sure your problems aren't hardware related? maybe get an RMA?
I'm on my second device already. The first had sleep of death, this one has only had a problem waking twice in 8+months. However every now and then the touch driver crashes requiring me to attach the keyboard to restart and then it works again.
I just cant deal with the bugs anymore. What is even more alarming is that I'm currently using it as a glorified ipad. It sits on my bed and I use it to watch YT every night to sleep. Such a simple use case to totally break down.
PdotMichael
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I don't even think the hardware is great. Simple youtube watching turns my i7 model into an aircraft turbine and I also got a replacement model.
Chrome? Have you tried opera or others? I know this varies for many.
I had tons of problems with the device not waking up correctly, both docked and undocked, or not being able to wake external screens up through the dock. Or Windows Hello failing to start properly, requiring a reboot. But all those issues were solved with firmware and driver updates during the first 6 months I had the device I think.
Not had those issues since.
Edit: My i7 SP4 also goes into turbine mode at times if browsing youtube or other media heavy sites on Edge. Haven't really thought about it since I installed ad-blocker, but I'm guessing it's still the same.
May, probably.
I was looking at the Surface reddit yesterday and someone posted a rumor about SB2. I'm guessing we'll start hearing some concrete rumors soon.
Use a non-Chrome based browser or a UWP app for YouTube. Chrome supports VP9 video, which isn't hardware-accelerated.
Shogmaster
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Surface Pro 5
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Ryzen CPU (probably 15~25W quad core with 8 threads)
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4K display
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Win 10 Creators update
???
http://www.droidreport.com/articles...g-in-april-with-creators-update-amd-ryzen.htm
http://www.enstarz.com/articles/182...legs-towards-mobile-processor-market-2017.htm
That along with the new dual protocol Wacom pen would make the SP5 the best content creation tablet EVAR. Hope they offer a 32GB RAM option.
=
Ryzen CPU (probably 15~25W quad core with 8 threads)
+
4K display
+
Win 10 Creators update
???
http://www.droidreport.com/articles...g-in-april-with-creators-update-amd-ryzen.htm
http://www.enstarz.com/articles/182...legs-towards-mobile-processor-market-2017.htm
That along with the new dual protocol Wacom pen would make the SP5 the best content creation tablet EVAR. Hope they offer a 32GB RAM option.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
That's not the rumor mill. That's your febrile mind.
Shogmaster
Member
I linked the wrong article. It's my febrile linking skillz.
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
AMD for Sp5 would be a giant wat
The surface line usually gets announced in October, iirc.
Fuck. that's a long wait.
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
There isn't really a pattern at this point. Rumors are ranging from end of march to may.
Shogmaster
Member
In initial thought, yes, but with the fact that Intel can't seems to offer a quad core i5 or i7 under 35W makes it a no brainer for AMD to slide in and steal that shit. I'm personally tired of paying over 1K for dual core Intel CPU tablets. Same goes triple for AWESOME CONTENT CREATION BLAH BLAH Wacom Mobile Studio Pros.
Ryzen offering 8 core i7-6900K competitor for half the price and 2/3 of the TDP makes this rumor more than just an amusing thought.
DasPenguin
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Same thing. I have an old MacBook Air and a Windows computer for work, but thinking about ditching Apple all together and moving to Surface. I think iPhone connectivity and iTunes with Windows computers is suppose to work just fine these days? If anyone has any experience on that I would like to hear about it.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
That's the stretchiest of the stretches considering that you can barely even tell that's a Microsoft device.
Hopefully cheaper, Surface Pro line is expensive AF in Australia same with the competitors.
Shogmaster
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Well AMD is sponsoring the movie so...
Also, MS is desperate to move on from dual core CPUs in both Surface Pro and Surface Book.
Not officially no.
Last_colossi
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I hope this is true but I highly doubt it, they could've just used the tablet portion of a Surface Book in that video just to get the look they wanted. If this was true I'd expect to see a Microsoft logo somewhere in there but it looks like they've purposefully hidden it.
Poodlestrike
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See this is just trolling.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
That's the shit that gets you banned over here.
*grumbles*
*grumbles*
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
You can tell the fan base is getting restless. Daily threads on surface Reddit asking about it.
I've never experienced anything like that on my 8GB i5 model using software like Solidworks and massive excel spreadsheets (multiple worksheets with thousands of data points, VBA-based equations, and dozens of graphs).
The plot thickens.
http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsofts-spring-fling-is-another-new-surface-device-category-coming/
So what are they going to announce? Hmmm....
http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsofts-spring-fling-is-another-new-surface-device-category-coming/
So what are they going to announce? Hmmm....
I've had about 18 happy months of surface ownership now. I continue to carry it to work every day and I often draw with Clip Studio Paint at lunchtimes. I haven't used my laptop since getting it. Lots of photos of my Surface Pro 4 on Instagram here: https://www.instagram.com/dockydraws/
I get the occasional input hiccup on my 4GB RAM SP4, but I never thought much of it. Are you using anything greedy like Chrome? I had problems until I switched to Opera for all of my SP4 browsing.
Shogmaster
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The reason to switch to AMD won't be for better GPU (dedicated is out of the question for tablet like SP5 anyways). It's to get more cores on the CPU without jumping to 35~45W.
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