Mufausa The 3rd
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Cave shmups coming to Steam - Winter 2015, published by Degica
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SmiteOfHand
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I'll join you in this purge.
Yes I have a death grip to not drop it in the toilet. oh my god was I so scared. I admit it.
HalfwayOrb
Member
Awesome! Will buy for sure (when cheap or on sale).
threelights
Member
Whoa...
Whooooa.
Like, I might buy all of the games they release =O
Never heard of a bad CAVE shmup.
Somehow I kind hope they release these one at a time so I can get them all on preorder/day one.
Whooooa.
Like, I might buy all of the games they release =O
Never heard of a bad CAVE shmup.
Somehow I kind hope they release these one at a time so I can get them all on preorder/day one.
For a decade+ old game in a super niche genre that's gone on sale all of what, twice? I think that's a reasonably solid number -- most other shumps on Steam are probably well below that. (I know I frownface every time I look up Crimzon Clover on SteamSpy). If they're not happy with that number, they either screwed up management of the port of they had some delusional expectations.
Battlesmurf
Member
This. It'll be nice to get more information! There's a lot of room for disappointment here.
Fine Ham Abounds
Member
yes please
Crimzon Clover is at ~100k, and that's not counting any GOG sales.
J
Jotamide
Unconfirmed Member
Main reason why the 360 is still hooked.
It's been on humble bundle.
mdsfx
Member
Oh god why. Makes me cringe just looking at it. Who will one-up this with a PCB lol
I don't remember the Instant Brain DoDonPachi 360 port reception, and I haven't played it, but I do remember complaints about Guwange, and I'm 99% sure that they stem from Cave's original hardware running at 57.5hz (leading to the port having significantly different timing at the usual NTSC refresh rate).
Sadly, the only good way around that speed discrepancy on modern platforms is variable screen refresh technology. The bad options that don't require a g-sync monitor include screen tearing, stuttering, or changing the game's speed (which will also have slight consequences when it comes to sound). Or a blend mode like Raiden Fighters Aces I suppose.
That's an excellent number. There are some platforms that it's been released on that hasn't even gotten numbers that high. Most shmups don't even see past 20-30,000 in sales in Japan. So it's pretty good for them.
If those numbers weren't good, then there wouldn't be a flood of STGs coming to STEAM.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
That's the one game I really want and it probably won't happen
It wasn't a great port, anyway. Even after the patch, it still had a shitty bilinear filter that made everything look blurrier. The Arika port of White Label on PS2 was waaaaay better.
Yeah, no guarentee they will do well now. So much competition on all fronts.
PepsimanVsJoe
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What competition?
Mountains of Mars
Member
Excellent news, I hope they are technically as accurate as possible. Now if only it was easier to get a PC hooked up to a CRT.
SOME-MIST
Member
hell yeah! not that I'll be buying any since I'm saving my pennies and own them already, but this is awesome news for those who have missed out. I might actually feel obligated to buy futari if they have online leaderboards though..
esp ra.de. is owned by atlus.
dangun feveron is so damn good... and it's really unlike any of their other titles. if I had to go with weakest title, imo it would be guwange or ddpdfk. heaven is here inside my soul!
esp ra.de. is owned by atlus.
dangun feveron is so damn good... and it's really unlike any of their other titles. if I had to go with weakest title, imo it would be guwange or ddpdfk. heaven is here inside my soul!
Icelandic_Jazz
Member
Yes yes yesss
wild wild rice
Member
Why did you bring your shmup to a McDonald's bathroom to toss it?
AlphaProspector
Member
Oh my Gosh, Oh my Gosh, Oh my Gosh, Oh my Gosh, Oh my Gosh, Oh my Gosh, Oh my Gosh, Oh my Gosh, OH MY GOSH!
My thoughts exactly.
I can finally recycle the tablet where I played DoDonPachi Resurrection so much! Long live PC gaming.
If my self from 10 years ago would've seen this, hahaha. I sported an Ikaruga avatar on Steam since I made my account over 10 years ago.
And Ikaruga PC happened. I tweeted in 2010 that if Recettear was on Steam then that meant CAVE was going to be on Steam. 5 years later, it happens.
Ok, now I'm scared, lol.
Mr Nash
square pies = communism
Happy to hear this. Now I'm curious what games we'll see hit first. Some of the old stuff would be really nice to see, but I'm not sure who owns the rights to them since someone else published them. Would love some Dangun Feveron or Espgaluda. I figure stuff like Dodonpachi and Mushihimesama would be simple enough to do. Really want the latter of those two.
mdsfx
Member
Same here. If 360 is on its way out
You never bought DDP Saidaioujou? Or didn't like it?
shaowebb
Member
Same here. If 360 is on its way out
Never bought DDP Saidaioujou?
Nah. Got hooked on Crimzon Clover World Ignition...I played Dodonpachi Resurrection the least in my collection and I figured if I wanted the combo multiplier I was better served in Crimzon Clover anyhow with double break mode.
Did they change the system much form Resurrection to SaiDaioujou though? Maybe I judged it too quickly.
mdsfx
Member
I hated resurrection with its seemingly limitless bullet cancelling. SDOJ plays more like previous DDP games to me. I like it much better.
shaowebb
Member
I never played any prior to resurrection. How are the mechanics?
mdsfx
Member
Although there is some bullet cancelling when you start your hyper, it requires a lot more bullet-dodging, which I find more fun. You're score is still heavily dependant on chaining kills.
Resurrection was mostly boring until the difficulty spiked on the last level and decided to **** me.
shaowebb
Member
Hmmmm...I'll have to try this then. Sounds more purist. For cancelling the rhythms of Crimzon Clover felt better to me. Also Akai Katana is my king of cancels from Cave
mdsfx
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I'm no expert. One of these other players will chime in and give you the full story.Hmmmm...I'll have to try this then. Sounds more purist. For cancelling the rhythms of Crimzon Clover felt better to me. Also Akai Katana is my king of cancels from Cave
Bullet cancelling in AK is completely different and much more fun/rewarding.
AlphaProspector
Member
Dat laser dancing, eh? Endless streams of death.
mdsfx
Member
Yes! Ugh, such a brutal surprise
Gentleman Jack
Member
Cool, time to spend the rest of my day listening to music from Cave boss stages.
SOME-MIST
Member
Hmmmm...I'll have to try this then. Sounds more purist. For cancelling the rhythms of Crimzon Clover felt better to me. Also Akai Katana is my king of cancels from Cave
bullet cancelling in progear is honestly my absolute favorite. nothing feels better than getting da steady stream
1:22-1:35
https://youtu.be/v1gvCJXDC44?t=82
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Not at all what I was saying. Of course shmups should be full priced, if appropriate.
What I am saying is that they previously only viewed their products as premium-priced boutique games for a small dedicated otaku audience. That kept them from putting them on digital services and significantly discounting them over time.
Which would be fine if they were a thriving company getting fat off this, but they weren't. They were dying. The premium strategy wasn't working. Better to skim what you can off the dedicated audience first, and seek a much wider audience through digital services later on.
But I guess that's where we are now. Great !
SOME-MIST
Member
they released the phone apps for an insanely reduced price though. I honestly think that they were over publishing their own games and they didn't want to deal with publishing on PC. thankfully a publisher stepped up - even better one that has experience with shmups.
I guess we can speculate all we want, but regardless it's good news that people who haven't played their games get a chance to play 'em now.
Dragoon En Regalia
Member
Awesome! I have decent expectations given how competent the STG-publishing arm f Degica is.
They need to start porting their games over to Steam (and GOG preferably), like the remake of a PC-6001 homebrew STG called Beluga they recently put out for Vita. One game they developed is already up on Steam, too, so.
SmiteOfHand
Member
Good call on the STG Weekly video above. Took it upon myself to make the below handy list for anyone who wants to dive deep into Cave's games. STG Weekly does a weekly(-ish) stream where they watch high level/high score playthroughs and provide commentary, often with the player as a guest if possible.
I plucked out all the Cave episodes. Very possible I missed some as they have a lot of mixed bag episodes so feel free to slap me with any missing links and I'll update. I put them in episode order rather than grouping by game or release.
STG Weekly #02: Mushihime-sama Futari 1.5 - player: Sapz
STG Weekly #08: Mushihimesama Futari (Ultra MANIA) - players: Gus, RSQ
STG Weekly #11: Muchi Muchi Pork - player: NTSC-J
STG Weekly #13: Guwange - player: Aquas
STG Weekly #32: Pink Sweets Arrange
STG Weekly #36: Deathsmiles
STG Weekly #38: Ibara
STG Weekly #40: "All Hollow's Shmups"
STG Weekly #41: Ketsui: Kizuna Jigoku Tachi
STG Weekly #43: Dodonpachi Saidaioujou
STG Weekly #45: Dangun Feveron / Fever S.O.S. Part 1
STG Weekly #45: Dangun Feveron / Fever S.O.S. Part 2
STG Weekly #46: Progear no Arashi
STG Weekly #47: Akai Katana Intro
STG Weekly #47: Akai Katana (Post-Intro)
STG Weekly #50: Deathsmiles Localization
STG Weekly #60: Mushihime-Sama
STG Weekly #70: Muchi Muchi Pork 1.01 (Manpuku Mode)
STG Weekly #74: Dodonpachi Dai Ou Jou - 1 / 2
STG Weekly #74: Dodonpachi Dai Ou Jou - 2 / 2
STG Weekly at Stunfest 2015 -- Dangun Feveron by Jaimers
STG Weekly at Stunfest 2015 -- Dodonpachi Daifukkatsu Black Label by Erppo
STG Weekly at Stunfest 2015 -- Akai Katana by Yom
(is there a way to force youtube links to not replace with the video on the mobile site? If not, sorry mobile users, RIP)
I plucked out all the Cave episodes. Very possible I missed some as they have a lot of mixed bag episodes so feel free to slap me with any missing links and I'll update. I put them in episode order rather than grouping by game or release.
STG Weekly #02: Mushihime-sama Futari 1.5 - player: Sapz
STG Weekly #08: Mushihimesama Futari (Ultra MANIA) - players: Gus, RSQ
STG Weekly #11: Muchi Muchi Pork - player: NTSC-J
STG Weekly #13: Guwange - player: Aquas
STG Weekly #32: Pink Sweets Arrange
STG Weekly #36: Deathsmiles
STG Weekly #38: Ibara
STG Weekly #40: "All Hollow's Shmups"
STG Weekly #41: Ketsui: Kizuna Jigoku Tachi
STG Weekly #43: Dodonpachi Saidaioujou
STG Weekly #45: Dangun Feveron / Fever S.O.S. Part 1
STG Weekly #45: Dangun Feveron / Fever S.O.S. Part 2
STG Weekly #46: Progear no Arashi
STG Weekly #47: Akai Katana Intro
STG Weekly #47: Akai Katana (Post-Intro)
STG Weekly #50: Deathsmiles Localization
STG Weekly #60: Mushihime-Sama
STG Weekly #70: Muchi Muchi Pork 1.01 (Manpuku Mode)
STG Weekly #74: Dodonpachi Dai Ou Jou - 1 / 2
STG Weekly #74: Dodonpachi Dai Ou Jou - 2 / 2
STG Weekly at Stunfest 2015 -- Dangun Feveron by Jaimers
STG Weekly at Stunfest 2015 -- Dodonpachi Daifukkatsu Black Label by Erppo
STG Weekly at Stunfest 2015 -- Akai Katana by Yom
(is there a way to force youtube links to not replace with the video on the mobile site? If not, sorry mobile users, RIP)
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Also, the second part of a documentary on shmups, where they focus on Cave: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv7fCr6QFis
I love this video -- can't even fathom how many times I've watched it.
I love this video -- can't even fathom how many times I've watched it.
It's fine selling at a cheap price but you need extra sales to make it worth while, with arcade STGs pretty much the only ppl buying the XBLA STGs were the same crowd who would pay £40+ for them physical, even G.rev went so far as to say so when their XBLA exclusive Strania STG flopped.
The notion that CAVE were too conservative to try new things couldn't be further from the truth as they were constantly trying new ways to maximise their sales, localisation, region free, Guwange on XBLA, Nin2Jump for 400MSP, the unlocalised Deathsmiles 2X on NA Games on Demand, the impression I got of CAVE at that time was of a company desperately looking for a way to turn back the tide of declining sales, they did their best.
Besides IIRC CAVE's initial intentions were to release their STGs on XBLA but they chose physical instead. Why? Not sure but MS were constantly changing the rules and direction for XBLA at that time.