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Guardian: 'E3 diversity report - so was it a white guy-fest again?'
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JetForceGemini
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People actually care about this? Not once while I was watching the conferences did I think... Man this would be so much better with a black guy instead. Ironic part is that I am black so maybe it's me with the problem lol
DoublePayje
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wtf are they talking about? EA a 2/5?
Black guy on Battlefield 1 cover, black guy vs. german on event artwork, black celebrities all over the E3 Play event, Harlem Hellfighter pre-order dlc and black soldier skins for some german troops (colonial troops maybe). For me its too much already.
Mass Effect Andromeda get's a female main character for the trailer which will most likely be the the character for ads this time. Last year they had female players for FIFA as the big thing.
Sims 4, just before E3, got the LGBT update. Yeah didn't happen during E3, but what do they want? Really? A 2/5?
Black guy on Battlefield 1 cover, black guy vs. german on event artwork, black celebrities all over the E3 Play event, Harlem Hellfighter pre-order dlc and black soldier skins for some german troops (colonial troops maybe). For me its too much already.
Mass Effect Andromeda get's a female main character for the trailer which will most likely be the the character for ads this time. Last year they had female players for FIFA as the big thing.
Sims 4, just before E3, got the LGBT update. Yeah didn't happen during E3, but what do they want? Really? A 2/5?
Rated-Rsuperstar
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Who gives a shit except for the person on the internet writing the article trying to spark up some non controversy.
CalamityPixel
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Smh.
If you don't care, then there's no need to goddamn threadshit.
Honestly it seems based on their conclusions that their diversity is made up of: "How many women" rather than if there was more minority representation...
NoKisum
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I'm still surprised we aren't seeing game reviews have their scores dragged down by the sole fact of not having a female or POC protagonist.
"The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild has to be one of the most innovative, immersive, groundbreaking experiences I've ever encountered, and literally every developer needs to takes notes on how to make games fun.
However, the game doesn't allow you to play as a female Link. So we give it a 1/10."
"The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild has to be one of the most innovative, immersive, groundbreaking experiences I've ever encountered, and literally every developer needs to takes notes on how to make games fun.
However, the game doesn't allow you to play as a female Link. So we give it a 1/10."
BodiesWithoutOrgans
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and all the games look the same all end of the world rubbish to and so voillent
gone are the days when I see bandicoot colelcting apples, dragons chasing sheep and hedgehogs running through loops, I am glad nintendi is still around
gone are the days when I see bandicoot colelcting apples, dragons chasing sheep and hedgehogs running through loops, I am glad nintendi is still around
dottme
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That's my conclusion too. When i see comment like this:
Microsoft gets points for featuring a game that you can only play as a female character
They are clearly not evaluating diversity.
Yeah, plenty of white women.
Subtervotion
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I'd assume they do it to keep is talking about it. Women want their voices to be heard. Non whites want their voices to be heard.
Not sure why someone can't rank the conferences based on that. Sometimes you have to light the fire, and sometimes you have to keep it going.
Not sure why someone can't rank the conferences based on that. Sometimes you have to light the fire, and sometimes you have to keep it going.
white male late 20s btw.
Lol except for the multiple Asian women
IronicSonic
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I don't think there is anything wrong with ranking the conferences like that. It's just this doesn't seem like a diversity report- more like a women report. Since it doesn't seem to take minority's really into account, just women.
Was Nintendo ignored because they did a somewhat different kind of event? Because the person didn't want to score it without watching all 6-7 hours of it? Or because Nintendo had a majority of women hosting for probably the majority of the total runtime? How does an event with game featuring an androgynous male character and a game featuring male/female selectable characters score on a 1-5 scale?
I wouldn't really call this threadshitting, they're giving their opinion on the article and its relevance. Just because their idea isn't the same as yours doesn't mean they're messing the thread up.
I think that pressers and games in general are becoming much more diversity friendly, Who would have thought 5 years ago that a woman or black man would be the protag of an AAA game?
Yes, please continue to thread whine.
Cold Lager
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So diversity = black people and women?
Seems a bit narrowminded
How about handicapped people, protagonists over the age of 65, eastern europeans, asians etc. That would be diversity to me.
Seems a bit narrowminded
How about handicapped people, protagonists over the age of 65, eastern europeans, asians etc. That would be diversity to me.
i said plenty of white women not that they were all white women, lol
Amen.
Anyone is welcomed in the industry. Are they supposed to start forcing people to participate?
SolidSnakex
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It's the same thing as Sony's Livecast, which they also didn't judge. A conference and an all day live stream are very different.
Askherserenity
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Diversity report?....
bobbychalkers
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Your points are valid but their format doesn't mesh well with most outlets that cover E3 as a whole. Giantbomb literally tuned out for a while during the Treehouse event. With that said, the Treehouse events have always nailed it when it comes to diversity.
Yes, clearly.
GHG
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Yes, diversity in entertainment mediums is important.
The fact you are even asking this says a lot about you.
I like that they did this and it's interesting but the scoring is all wrong... especially EA.
Diversity within popular media? Yes.
Diversity within popular media? Yes.
Old Gimlet Eyes
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Me? CJ is the main character of one of the best selling games of all time and that came out in 2004. It just sucks that nobody followed R* effort with that.
And yeah EA was a lot more diverse than this write up gives them credit for.
Infinite_Daremo
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What would be the metric for 5/5? No straight white males in any games or presenters? Sony's biggest game featured a female lead and yet it scores 3/5?
Yeah if you're gonna do a scorecard like this feel like you have to be a lot broader.
Amazed Aisha Tyler has been doing those conferences for five years straight. Hope she's making good buck for trying to keep those conferences interesting.
EDIT: Lol about applying the Bechdel test to a video game conference. When are presenters actually interacting with each other beyond a game demo anyhow?
Darryl M R
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Is there a heavy focus on just women and African-American? Other demographics should be taken into consideration and some rankings I disagree with, but this is important to track.
John Kowalski
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Thread is already becoming diversity olympics.
Conferences and games on display were generally very poor not just in demographical diversity but also thematically and in design. Didn't the Sony conference start with two games with dead/absent wives? That was definitely something.
Conferences and games on display were generally very poor not just in demographical diversity but also thematically and in design. Didn't the Sony conference start with two games with dead/absent wives? That was definitely something.
yeah that bothered me as well. Like seriously you gave it points because there was no playable male character that sounds even more sexist.
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
No. Someone spent all this time compiling the data because no one cares about it.
Think before you post.
I'm a black guy too and the sad part is you still don't get the underlying problem despite being a minority.
Sarcasm? Bandicoot is back, there are dragons chasing other dragons in scalebound, new Sonic game looks almost like a return to classic Sonic.
Granted a lot of the games were solemn post apocalypic nonsense or shoot shoot bang bagng but that's what sells.
I'm not entirely sure how EA gets 2/5. Speakers were a bit white i guess, but games were on point, diversity-wise. That should be far more important than the speakers.
Same goes for everyone, really. This seems really focused on speakers rather than games.
Same goes for everyone, really. This seems really focused on speakers rather than games.
SpiceMelange
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He didn't say "no one cares about this". Maybe actually read? Those threads are always such tiptoe eggshells, with thinly veiled insults and attacks (to quote someone else earlier in the thread "says a lot about you" etc.)
Yeah, I think that horizons mc could have been a native American woman easily. Scale bound from ms could have been anyone but we got drew.
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