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Official Gran Turismo HD Concept Thread
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daddyorchips
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GHG said:Like so?:
I agree it will be enough, but PD are perfectionists. They are insisting on modelling the full interior of each car. I don't know why though... Maybe its for replay showcase purposes.
Now that IS nice. Pity it isn't in the demo!
I don't get this "sense of speed" talk. This is GT. GT is a simulator. If you go 80, you go 80 - they can't make you faster than that. They could change the FoV ratio, like some arcade racers do, but that isn't realistic at car speeds.
But I don't really care, I think driving simulators are boring. Bring on Wip5out!
But I don't really care, I think driving simulators are boring. Bring on Wip5out!
Norse said:
First person - and my argument would be the opposite. Why view a racing game from a camera behind and above the car you are driving? Obviously it's personal preference, but the sense of speed is lost in every game from that view (except perhaps Burnout).
Not to mention you get gimped audio driving from the behind the car view and it's definitely more difficult to drive that way. I'm not knocking your preference but the pretty car models sure make for some pretty replays - and surely there will be other cars on the track to look at in the retail game Hopefully they won't always be behind you like previous GT games
mashoutposse
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Norse said:
Why design a nice looking car if you can't even see it from the interior while driving?
BlueTsunami
there is joy in sucking dick
kenta said:
:lol
GitarooMan
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I actually think the hood view was best in GT4, I was disappointed to see it not being an option here. Most in-car views show too much of the interior on screen, one of the good things about Test Drive was that it let you adjust your position within the cockpit to allow more windshield on the screen, I hope GT5 has this option if they do interiors. Hood view is basically just as good though I think.
wow what is the fracking point of having a 60g with wi-fi if it does not work with the online store. I had to move my entire modem and router to hook up to the ps3 to log in to the playstation store. I'm beginning to hate playstation now.
finally downloading the GTHD demo.
finally downloading the GTHD demo.
i took off all the security stuff and it still didn't work. Before i had an old linksys with wireless-b only connection and it kept loggin out of store. then today went to best buy and bought a d-ink wireless b and g and now wont connect to the store wirelessly. funny i had a d-link router (old model) back at my old apartment and the ps3 can connect to it flawlessly. Weird thing is, i cannot connect to the playstation store wireless but i can still go online with the ps3.
what is the model of the router and maker of it?
I think the ps3 hates wireless-b only routers.
Defensor said:
what is the model of the router and maker of it?
I think the ps3 hates wireless-b only routers.
Bebpo..... I what on God's green E-A-R-T-H are you talking about??????Bebpo said:
Although I don't own a PS3 yet, I have done VERY EXTENSIVE research on this issue and I can tell you right here and NOW....several....and I mean S-E-V-E-R-A-L people I've talked to have confirmed.......C-O-N-F-I-R-M-E-D that RR7 works with the Logitech DFP and GT wheels. Yes, YES I am aware the game doesn't have TRUE force feedback but according to these people it DOES have rumble!!!!!!!!!!! I made SURE to ask each one of them twice and they all confirmed that the wheels do vibrate and shake upon colliding with certain objects like walls and cars(again, I am only speaking about RR7 here).
Bebpo I would D-E-S-P-E-R-A-T-E-L-Y like to know which wheel you have! I am utterly convinced that if you are not getting at least some kind of rumble with RR7 then your wheel definitely is broken or has PCB issues.
Please double check your wheel and get back to me, because you're the first person to say RR7 doesn't make the wheel rumble at ALL.
Norse
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Beatbox said:First person - and my argument would be the opposite. Why view a racing game from a camera behind and above the car you are driving? Obviously it's personal preference, but the sense of speed is lost in every game from that view (except perhaps Burnout).
Not to mention you get gimped audio driving from the behind the car view and it's definitely more difficult to drive that way. I'm not knocking your preference but the pretty car models sure make for some pretty replays - and surely there will be other cars on the track to look at in the retail game Hopefully they won't always be behind you like previous GT games
I prefer inside the car view...but this doesnt have it yet..I hate racing from the front bumper..always have for some reason.
Is it me or did this demo take all the focus off of motorstorm for the time being. I mean I'm really pumped for motorstorm, but I havent even thought about it since I started playing this. I guess it's because motorstorm is still a couple months away, but I can't help but think GTHD Concept has taken over my brain. All I can think about are faster track times and how to improve my drifting.
PjotrStroganov
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Beatbox said:Not to mention you get gimped audio driving from the behind the car view and it's definitely more difficult to drive that way. I'm not knocking your preference but the pretty car models sure make for some pretty replays - and surely there will be other cars on the track to look at in the retail game Hopefully they won't always be behind you like previous GT games
When done right, the audio shouldn't be gimped. In car noise of course will not be heard but the exhaust noise will be the better for it.
In general, with a controller I find it more easy to drive with the chase cam (because of the tight camera not so much in GT4). It is easier to see corners and the figure out the relative position of the car. The shifting of weight is also more easily detected with the external camera.
I'm sure that this will be the opposite when driving with a wheel instead of a controller.
PjotrStroganov said:
I would call the audio done right here. A true feeling of immersion when inside the car - great use of the rear channels. "Gimped" in the sense that you lose immersion in the audio when playing from a camera behind the car - and the engine noise, road noise and effects are attenuated to reflect the view.
That's why some video games are great - customizeable choices
I disagree with the exterior view being easier - I have never been able to get the hang of it (in any racing game) and I lose complete feel of the car/road connection. The squeel of the tires, angle of the car, and the drivetrain/weight/tire choice/engine placement all help me feel the road much better. I don't use the wheel since it's dead weight in this demo and it makes annoying noises without the FF - just saying that in case you thought I was using one
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
Isamu - i will try the wheel again, but what Bebpo is saying is almost the same as what happened to me...
you can play the game but the wheel basically just locks in and is stiff making the game very very difficult to play. You can certainly play , but it's not very easy to do so. Now , i only tried this once so not sure whether it was a one of glitch or how it is all the time, but will confirm either tonight or tomorrow.
Sorry man.
Also - isn't improved car physics seen as an advancement? GTHD feels very very nice.
Me personally - i really don't care about having 20+ cars on a track in GT - i'd rather get insanely detailed physics, crashes, and a VERY important REQUIRED enhancement : Improved driver AI. Kaz - get the Top Gear guys or something to help with the AI !
p.s. demanding improvements is exactly what a true fan should do
p.p.s demanding someone be fired if they don't do what you say is incredibly stupid!
you can play the game but the wheel basically just locks in and is stiff making the game very very difficult to play
. You can certainly play , but it's not very easy to do so. Now , i only tried this once so not sure whether it was a one of glitch or how it is all the time, but will confirm either tonight or tomorrow.Sorry man.
Also - isn't improved car physics seen as an advancement? GTHD feels very very nice.
Me personally - i really don't care about having 20+ cars on a track in GT - i'd rather get insanely detailed physics, crashes, and a VERY important REQUIRED enhancement : Improved driver AI. Kaz - get the Top Gear guys or something to help with the AI !
p.s. demanding improvements is exactly what a true fan should do
p.p.s demanding someone be fired if they don't do what you say is incredibly stupid!
DCharlie said:i'd rather get insanely detailed physics, crashes, and a VERY important REQUIRED enhancement : Improved driver AI. Kaz - get the Top Gear guys or something to help with the AI !
Yes! I wanna race against a bunch of "Stig" clones.
I'm having a blast trying to beat my own times and others and hope this type of system is here to stay in the GT series. They should have an "all time" leaderboard and then a weekly one granted they are able to weed out the glitched high scores.
EDIT - Isamu, I tested the Driving Force with RR7 and it does stiffen up (unlike GTHD) in the centered position - no feedback from the road or turns - for instance if you hit an object on the left side of your car it does push the wheel to the right a bit for each bump. I wouldn't call it unplayable by any means as it feels a lot better than having no resistance.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
seriously - i know there are a couple of lurkers here with links to Polyphony - surely this is a doable thing? I mean - GT is massive in Europe where Top Gear is very well known. Top Gear have covered GT more than once, so how about that as a link up? Seriously - with serious driving AI this just takes things a step futher.
Actually, doesn't even have to be a full AI modelling thing - just get Top Gear guys (or pro racers) to do a few laps on a certain track, then upload thier ghost for a challenge race.
"Clarkson 4wd ghost for Alpine Resort #4 now available!"
For driving enthusiasts surely this is something incredibly interesting and the cash required to add this as a "Your Driving Life" extra is minimal - all you need is to record the ghost of these people - that's it.
Insane Metal
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Haunted_One said:
I completely agree
DCharlie said:Isamu - i will try the wheel again, but what Bebpo is saying is almost the same as what happened to me...
you can play the game but the wheel basically just locks in and is stiff making the game very very difficult to play
Sorry man.
Thanks for the reply Charlie and Beatbux. Y'know, I am starting to wonder if previous PS3 firmwares are different from the current ones, and if there were any changes when upgrading to the current firmware. When I first read other people's comments regarding how the wheel behaves during play with RR7, it was before the latest firmware came out. Here are a few replies I've gotten from a few different users....
Alright, I guess that is true. I did notice a few bumps in the road, BUT when I bumped a cars rear (my front to his rear) experienced no resultant feedback. As for the tension, I also agree. It seems standard BUT its an arcade styled game, I personally wouldn't expect the realism of say a "Gran Turismo" out of the wheel.
Virtual tension yes, centering maybe out of the turn, BUT not automatically.
It definitely doesn't feel cheap, hell, I'm excited to feel anything happen on the wheel. I was concerned they would abandon the whole concept of feedback on PS3 games. Not so thus far...
Well RR7 doesn't really require a whole lot of turning, BUT lets just say, I had plenty of room to spin the wheel with no lock up.
Deadzone is pretty standard, nothing too glaringly good or bad. Just right IMO.
Would you agree with these comments Charlie and Femto?
Mr. Pointy
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It's over, the real world is finished.
Mr. Pointy said:
:lol The shitty lighting and the off-tv quality on those shots just amps it up even further. Just unbelievable.
I've done enough splooging over this game though. I can only say, "Well, that about wraps it up for other racers," so many times. It just does.
Mr. Pointy
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I get the impression that Sony are paying car manufacturers for their CAD data. I wouldn't have a clue how PD would be able to make ~150-700 cars with such high quality by 2008 or so.
Y2Kevbug11 said:
not saying at all that this demo doesn't look sweet.... it does!
but before we talk about it like above, we need to see how this holds up with 12 cars on screen with AI.
I'm just sayin'
, not hating because it looks unbelievably real... just show me in RACING mode with a lot more going on before I declare it the winner above all. In fact I'm still more excited for Motorstorm until I see if GT5 can translate to showing those visuals 10-12 times over.
Alex Anderson
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Dragona is not impressed.
Also, 630 MB... gonna be a bitch to download this on HughesNet. Is there a resume option if I say, cut the system off, then tried to download more at a later time?
Also, 630 MB... gonna be a bitch to download this on HughesNet. Is there a resume option if I say, cut the system off, then tried to download more at a later time?