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Japan is using NHK to rewrite its role in WWII
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Vigilant Walrus
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My take: National Pride is a goddam joke. Patriotism is a joke. It's a modern content that has arisen with prevelance of independant states as opposed to religions chokehold.
People started identifying more with their nationality than with their god, and then basically you trade one system of belonging (the church) with another (a country).
So what I am trying to say: Religion fanatism = fanatic patriotism
Doug Stanhope on nationalism: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsPDT5qHtZ4 < Love this guy!
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Little Green Yoda
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Recent NSA/spying stuff aside, I don't really see this being the case.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
It's been smoothed over since the Obama admin, but in the Iraq War era, anti-Americanism was a mainstream sentiment of Western nations.
Not all forms of nationalism are inherently bad. Many 20th century revolutionaries uitilized nationalism to unite oppressed people to fight back against their colonial oppressors. The kind of nationalism you're talking about has a name, and it's called fascism.
Well, I can't really blame people for that. That war was really fucking stupid.
HappyBivouac
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This. This is by far the most reprehensible thing about it for me.
Little Green Yoda
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Did it really go beyond criticism and manifest into the type of hatred Asian countries have against Japan though?
haha first thing I thought of. Welcome to the NHK is so good.
topic: yeah that's stupid.
hipbabboom
Huh? What did I say? Did I screw up again? :(
You see... it's not that people don't learn from their past mistakes, they just forget what they learned given enough time.
This news along with the whole re-thinking pacifism and the whole Chinese-Japanese maritime territorial disputes spells for an interesting combination from our favorite piece loving "pure as lambs" island country.
This news along with the whole re-thinking pacifism and the whole Chinese-Japanese maritime territorial disputes spells for an interesting combination from our favorite piece loving "pure as lambs" island country.
HappyBivouac
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I'll echo this. If your country royally screws up, don't try to cover it up. Hypocrisy and lieing is not tolerated very well on the public and international level.
Canada did the whole residential school thing, imprisoned thousands of Japanese and Ukrainians during the 2nd and 1st world war respectively, and has a province where the majority of those polled claimed to be racist.
I love Canada, but holy hell have they done some shit.
Eh, I think that was a relatively minor part that just sort of added onto the following major factors. I think the biggest factors were the Treaty of Versailles, the Great Depression, anti-Wiemar rightists control of the military and the courts, and war weariness of of Britain and France from WWI (which lead to appeasement)
speculawyer
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Well I'm sure this is going to help smooth things over with their conflict with China.
Cow Mengde
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Well, China did invade Japan and killed millions of their people, and now China's trying to take over Japan again. It can't be helped.
Am I doing it right?
speculawyer
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I think this shows why China hates Japan.
This is a great graphic. It really shows western people that they really don't know much about WW2 when their views are mostly just about their own country's involvement (USA, UK, Canada, Australia,etc.). Most of the death was taking place in parts they know very little about (Russia, Poland & China).
not_so_special
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i dont know how anyone can defend japan on this..
Sure, militarily Japan lost WW2. But they didn't really loose politically or economically.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I wouldn't say it's 1:1 comparable no... Chinese rage over Nanking is pretty hard to match.
But obviously anti-Americanism is a streak around the world, in every country. Does that mean they hate the individual people or the cultural exports? No, not at all. I don't think it's that dissimilar to Korean frustration against Japan or w/e. Maybe less personal.
Tallshortman
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Uh it's nothing like Korean "frustration" with Japan. Korea was made into a colony of Japan and treated as such. While they didn't suffer as many atrocities as China (though they did suffer plenty) simply due to being out of the fight earlier, they have very legitimate grievances with Japan and how Japan is trying to rewrite history. The anti-American sentiment is largely from countries that have never been seriously wronged by the US (such as the europeans), thus the extent and legitimacy of Southeast Asian hatred for Japan is incomparable to anti-American sentiment in most cases.
HappyBivouac
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Japan's invasion of China was kind of a Pretty Big Deal. I think a lot of people know about it. For those that don't, yeah their views are pretty warped and one-sided.
China may not have the best record since the mid 20th century, but let's be real, they've been victims of a lot of shit.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I'm talking about the reality of what it's like on the ground. Koreans will use Japan as a punching bag, just as most countries (western ones included) use America as a punching bag.
But meanwhile they'll happily consume Japanese/American products, and when confronted with an actual Japanese/American national, they'll say "oh no, you're one of the good ones.."
There is no comparison here. You obviously lack a grasp on history.
Koreans have a right to use Japan as a punching bag. It's been 100 hours since their country has been wholly their 'own'.
And now all this revisionist history is really sad.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
It's funny since I have a history degree with a specialization in Asian history.
But whatever shortcut you think you have to win whatever argument you think you're having, I guess!
This and Fuji TV is better anyway; better shows and the Japanese nationalists hate it which makes me like it even more. I like to picture them seething at the number of Korean dramas.
This is why we don't need a Japan that "rolls back its pacifism".
so it's like Conservative vs Liberal here in America eh?
so it's like Conservative vs Liberal here in America eh?
BinaryPork2737
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Slightly surprised it hasn't been brought up yet, but Japan's Unit 731 should be mentioned whenever it tries to defend its role in WWII. Some of the most horrifying experiments ever conducted by mankind.
Not sure I would use that exact metaphor. A lot of what's happening had to do with the DPJ falling on its arse and low voter turnout (something that always favours nationalists).
To this very day, victim groups still have to fight for the acknowledgement of crimes. Effort is a stretch.
Funnily enough, just a few days ago I saw an NHK news report on a comfort women memorial here in Glendale California. They didn't shy away from the topic at all. Described it as "coerced prostitution by the Japanese military throughout Asia during World War 2".
I guess they pick and choose when it comes to revisionism.
Ooccoo
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Quoted for exposure. I was going to post this.
See You Next Wednesday
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I wonder how much PBS makes?
Pretty sure Fritz didn't mean the state(s) when he said "efforts done by this country". The early years after WWII where especially horrible in that regard.
Probably it was midnight news with low rating. And then they will unleash the Japanese politicians to request taking it down.
Also, I am sure most anime-avatar posters from the other japanese topic thread are avoiding this thread. But just in case you are passing by, read this shit before you open your mouth. Never forget.
Japan was never really forced to face the facts after the war like others. The US already knew Russia and its friendship was over as soon as the war was and was already putting the pieces in place to try and contain them.
China was already in major upheaval between nationalist and communist Forces so there was no path for the US there as far as standing against Stalin and Russia.
Japan became the logical ally and because of that so much was done to appease them in their defeat compared to others. Obviously the Population of Japan is heavily divided and plenty know what happened but as is common with all human beings its easier to try and forget
China was already in major upheaval between nationalist and communist Forces so there was no path for the US there as far as standing against Stalin and Russia.
Japan became the logical ally and because of that so much was done to appease them in their defeat compared to others. Obviously the Population of Japan is heavily divided and plenty know what happened but as is common with all human beings its easier to try and forget
not_so_special
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sorry but this is bullshit..
Japan didn't invent wartime mass rape, it's sadly as old as war itself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Germany
What are you referring to? The public? The german public in large was , and many still are, against helping the victims. Many feel like somekind of used by jews through the guilt.
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