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New York Times said:
Lady Gaga is certainly the pop star with the most Twitter followers — over 41 million — who may not even really be a pop star anymore. Her 2013 album “Artpop” (Streamlive/Interscope) — only her third full-length — had maybe one and a half hits on it. That’s not a wholly fair metric — the album also included some of her more accomplished songwriting and some successful oddball songs — but it landed with a thud, and disappeared in silence. Being known by as many people as she is means that someday all of those people will forget you.
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Nemesis_

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I am glad that intelligent article is able to highlight that Gaga has gone quiet since ARTPOP came out. Anyone and everyone could have thought and written that.

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Nemesis_

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I wonder if anything actually came to fruition with the whole Brooke Candy and Kylie Minogue thing. I can't see whatever they came up with fitting into Kiss Me Once so I think I understand why it was scrapped.
 
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Vazduh

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Nemesis_ said:
I wonder if anything actually came to fruition with the whole Brooke Candy and Kylie Minogue thing. I can't see whatever they came up with fitting into Kiss Me Once so I think I understand why it was scrapped.
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There was a recent interview with Kylie where she said that she basically had three albums worth of material: one was pop, the second was more dancey/urban, and the third was "indie"/experimental. One can only guess that Brooke Candy collaboration was on the "second" album version.

Wait, I found it! Here's the link. The album discussion starts at 3:23, but the whole interview is worth a watch.

I love how the interviewer is starstruck with her, he's a cutie. And of course, Kylie is as wonderful as ever.

royalan said:
Brooke Candy - Bitch Like Me

Ok, this might be my favorite Brooke Candy track.

She's serving MAJOR 90s teas with this. Like, House Party teas. I was expecting MC Lyte to pop up on the track teas.
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Wait! I didn't expect this.

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I'm slayed a bit, this is probably the first song of hers I actually enjoyed.

Aside from I Wanna Fuck Right Now.
 
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7echnicolor

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Vazduh said:
There was an recent interview with Kylie where she said that she basically had three albums worth of material: one was pop, the second was more dancey/urban, and the third was "indie"/experimental. One can only guess that Brooke Candy collaboration was on the "second" album version.

Wait, I found it! Here's the link. The album discussion starts at 3:23, but the whole interview is worth a watch.

I love how the interviewer is starstruck with her, he's a cutie. And of course, Kylie is as wonderful as ever.



Wait! I didn't expect this.

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I'm slayed a bit, this is probably the first song of hers I actually enjoyed.

Aside from I Wanna Fuck Right Now.
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She is so wonderful and that interview was refreshing.
 
Nemesis_

Nemesis_

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^ and with that

Dr. Malik said:
enough of your lies

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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=105376973&postcount=905

We're finally updated.

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This is the beginning

Vazduh said:
There was a recent interview with Kylie where she said that she basically had three albums worth of material: one was pop, the second was more dancey/urban, and the third was "indie"/experimental. One can only guess that Brooke Candy collaboration was on the "second" album version.

Wait, I found it! Here's the link. The album discussion starts at 3:23, but the whole interview is worth a watch.
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I will have a look later, I have to step away from screens for a while ;_;

Oh and
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Icicle

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Ten years ago today, Janhovah blessed us with...

djSiEyu.jpg
.

Damita Jesus has sold over three million copies worldwide. Given that she was commercially blacklisted, Janet's accomplishments with the album are made even more impressive.

Aside from the slew of awards she snatched for the alber, Janet is also credited with inspiring your lessor faves.

chfXvl1.png


Not the Times of India clocking the tea.

A few choice bops to celebrate the anniversary:
All Nite (Don't Stop) and R&B Junkie at the 2004 BET Awards (kii at the minor wardrobe malfunction at the beginning)
I Want You
Just a Little While (Video never released in the US)

#JusticeforJanet
 
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Soulscribe

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Bill Werde (from Billboard) wrote this on his Tumblr regarding Gaga and the ARTPOP era and I think it's pretty much the best analysis I've seen from a member of the media (or from GAF):

Further Thoughts on Lady Gaga and ARTPOP That Are Too Long For Twitter said:
A handful of Gaga fans and others who seem to randomly enjoy theatrics have regularly misconstrued level, critical thinking as Gaga attacks. I will say, the thing I do regret is taking to Twitter once and chiding Gaga about tweeting a link that went to a playlist of her video on repeat in order to influence play counts and charts; at that moment I hadn’t yet realized it was something a few other artists were doing/had done. Nor did I fully realize that YouTube’s spam detection eliminated suspicious plays.

The truth is, I’m a fan of Lady Gaga’s. I caught her show at Radio City back in the day, and I think two different tours at the Garden. She has a strong voice, a great persona for performance and at times has demonstrated a penchant for writing viciously catchy and fun pop songs. I’ve listened to everything she’s released and generally really respect her for having the will and resolve to follow her own muse. She makes pop interesting in a way that few other stars have the cajones (or desire) to think about. And lately it has been painful to watch media big and small hyperinflate every drama, real (the album isn’t her strongest work, indecision around single choices, personnel changes in her camp) or imagined (that ridiculous, fabricated $25 million ArtPop marketing number; possibly the notion that her tour isn’t selling as well).

But just because many in media are misrepresenting details or piling on doesn’t mean I can’t honestly think - and share my opinion - that this album doesn’t represent her strongest work. You can say that she doesn’t care about her songs charting and that her fans don’t care either, and if that’s true that’s totally cool. There’s lots of different ways to have a career in music these days, and certainly, there are options besides being a globally successful pop star. But “charting” is just a scorecard of popularity, of commercial success. Her last two albums haven’t had hits the way her first two did. That doesn’t mean she won’t have albums again one day that galvanize mass audiences wherever they may be. But generally, if the hits don’t keep coming, the audiences at the shows start to dwindle. The budgets shrink. The productions shrink with the budgets, and that would be a shame, because her productions are pretty stunning usually.

Again, none of this is a forgone conclusion. Gaga still has lots of fans. And I have to believe the songwriter with a knack for delivering number one hits is still in there, and will rise again. When I Tweeted, in response to a question, that I thought maybe she should take a break, it’s partly because I’m tired of watching media pillorize her for taking the same risks that they used to cheer. And it’s partly because I don’t think the songs on this album are going to connect in a big way. And the more she keeps releasing big expensive videos and songs that don’t chart or dont chart well, the more the perception of failure grows (fair or not) and the deeper the hole is that she’ll need to dig from next time.

And of course there will be a next time. Acts like Weezer and Pink had been written off as “over” by media before returning to even greater heights. After she released “4” to middling sales and then was accused of taking too long to release another album, Beyoncé was all but pronounced as dead by a grumbling media - some just weeks before she rocked the pop universe with her surprise iTunes album. And lord knows, if Mariah could return from the Glitter era, we’ve learned anything is possible.

So yes, as I said on Twitter, if I was her manager, I’d recommend she reconsider making additional substantial expenditure on the songs on Artpop. Maybe release a new song or two, or commission some remixes if you need to generate some new excitement around the tour. Focus on creating an amazing tour. And then let people miss you for a little while, while you go find your creative muse and create a new album of your best work. That’s not me hating. That’s me pulling for Gaga. The pop world is way better with her in it.
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No lies detected. Perception can be hypocritical, but the bottom line with these pop ladies is that when the music doesn't connect with the mainstream, then the rest will most likely fall like a house of cards. I don't think she needs to "take a break" though, I think that's such a cop-out kind of attitude and Gaga already took a long break from the media. The point is what you do with your output when you're in the spotlight. She just needs a radio friendly hit to be honest. It's sad but I really do think that's the only thing that can make people love her unanimously again.
 
Nemesis_

Nemesis_

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Icicle said:
Ten years ago today, Janhovah blessed us with...

djSiEyu.jpg
.

Damita Jesus has sold over three million copies worldwide. Given that she was commercially blacklisted, Janet's accomplishments with the album are made even more impressive.

Aside from the slew of awards she snatched for the alber, Janet is also credited with inspiring your lessor faves.

chfXvl1.png


Not the Times of India clocking the tea.

A few choice bops to celebrate the anniversary:
All Nite (Don't Stop) and R&B Junkie at the 2004 BET Awards (kii at the minor wardrobe malfunction at the beginning)
I Want You
Just a Little While (Video never released in the US)

#JusticeforJanet
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All Nite is easily my favourite song of hers. I read somewhere she's been in the studio for the past few years "secretly". I wonder if anything will come to that and/or if the rumour itself is true.

Soulscribe said:
Bill Werde (from Billboard) wrote this on his Tumblr regarding Gaga and the ARTPOP era and I think it's pretty much the best analysis I've seen from a member of the media (or from GAF):

No lies detected. Perception can be hypocritical, but the bottom line with these pop ladies is that when the music doesn't connect with the mainstream, then the rest will most likely fall like a house of cards. I don't think she needs to "take a break" though, I think that's such a cop-out kind of attitude and Gaga already took a long break from the media. The point is what you do with your output when you're in the spotlight. She just needs a radio friendly hit to be honest. It's sad but I really do think that's the only thing that can make people love her unanimously again.
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I don't know if or when she plans to work on Act II but I have a feeling she's going to want to do a lot of damage control following ARTPOP. She won't ever admit it but she wants to be TFM/BTW famous again.

On a semi unrelated note I was kind of shocked to see PopJustice rate Brooklyn Nights so highly, considering how much of her recent stuff they've hated.
 
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It's amazing how many people insist that pop stars are "done" after one lower selling album. It's 2014, we've seen pop stars have huge comebacks after commercial disappointments time and again.

But I guess blind hate is that strong.
 
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DMeisterJ

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I agree with Bill's tea about comebacks, but I mostly disagree with the rest, ARTPOP is a decidedly weak album, and the media is right to clock her for it, the same way the media was right to come for Bey after 4. As long as Gaga can deliver a Beyoncé, she'll be "back", but I'm okay with calling her career over until then.
 
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royalan

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DMeisterJ said:
I agree with Bill's tea about comebacks, but I mostly disagree with the rest, ARTPOP is a decidedly weak album, and the media is right to clock her for it, the same way the media was right to come for Bey after 4. As long as Gaga can deliver a Beyoncé, she'll be "back", but I'm okay with calling her career over until then.
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I agree.

It also doesn't help that she's been a psychotic mess this era. The media smell blood in the water because she basically jumped in the ocean and slit her wrists.

I agree with Bill that she needs a break away from music. I didn't think ARTPOP was that bad an album; I actually like it. But she keeps herself so sequestered, so bogged down in her own little bubble, that it's clear she's lost perspective. And losing perspective as a pop star is pretty much a death sentence.
 
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Matt_

World's #1 One Direction Fan: Everyone else in the room can see it, everyone else but you~~~
Considering the amount of production that has gone into this I would have been more surprised if the video was less than 5 mins
 
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tmarques

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Can we please stop saying Gaga doesn't care about the charts? Even Billboard felt the need to say a thing or two about her... unsporting behaviour in the matter.
 
C

Crumpet Trumpet

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For all of Gaga's messiness, I've never really disliked any of her videos. Besides The Edge of Glory. Perched.

Icicle said:
Ten years ago today, Janhovah blessed us with...

djSiEyu.jpg
.

Damita Jesus has sold over three million copies worldwide. Given that she was commercially blacklisted, Janet's accomplishments with the album are made even more impressive.

Aside from the slew of awards she snatched for the alber, Janet is also credited with inspiring your lessor faves.

chfXvl1.png


Not the Times of India clocking the tea.

A few choice bops to celebrate the anniversary:
All Nite (Don't Stop) and R&B Junkie at the 2004 BET Awards (kii at the minor wardrobe malfunction at the beginning)
I Want You
Just a Little While (Video never released in the US)

#JusticeforJanet
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Yes lord.

This is my favorite of her post-trinity alberms

Janet her comeback will put the girls to shame I am sure
 
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twobear

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Soulscribe said:
Bill Werde (from Billboard) wrote this on his Tumblr regarding Gaga and the ARTPOP era and I think it's pretty much the best analysis I've seen from a member of the media (or from GAF):

No lies detected. Perception can be hypocritical, but the bottom line with these pop ladies is that when the music doesn't connect with the mainstream, then the rest will most likely fall like a house of cards. I don't think she needs to "take a break" though, I think that's such a cop-out kind of attitude and Gaga already took a long break from the media. The point is what you do with your output when you're in the spotlight. She just needs a radio friendly hit to be honest. It's sad but I really do think that's the only thing that can make people love her unanimously again.
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I actually agree totally with what he wrote tbh. I play up dragging Gaga because of lols but this is pretty much exactly how I feel about her.
DMeisterJ said:
I agree with Bill's tea about comebacks, but I mostly disagree with the rest, ARTPOP is a decidedly weak album, and the media is right to clock her for it, the same way the media was right to come for Bey after 4. As long as Gaga can deliver a Beyoncé, she'll be "back", but I'm okay with calling her career over until then.
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A mess at this revisionist history though. 4 was critically lauded.
 
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Vazra

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DMeisterJ said:
I agree with Bill's tea about comebacks, but I mostly disagree with the rest, ARTPOP is a decidedly weak album, and the media is right to clock her for it, the same way the media was right to come for Bey after 4. As long as Gaga can deliver a Beyoncé, she'll be "back", but I'm okay with calling her career over until then.
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twobear

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botty said:
4law was bland album. BEYONCÉ proves that.
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By comparison with BEYONCÉ, yes, 4 is clearly the weaker album. But there's clearly something of the artistic maturity (if not the same style) and confidence in 4 that's there in spades on BEYONCÉ. Countdown, Love on Top, End of Time and Run the World (Girls) all have permanent places on my general pop playlist though.
 
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twobear

sputum-flecked apoplexy
let me see if Standing on Shit is improved

[edit] the intro shits a bit

[edit2] wait is this real? it actually shits.

[edit3] is beyonce even capable of releasing bad music any more? she managed to turn one of the dullest songs she's ever released into a certified bop.
 
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Leona Lewis

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godelsmetric said:
let me see if Standing on Shit is improved

[edit] the intro shits a bit

[edit2] wait is this real? it actually shits.

[edit3] is beyonce even capable of releasing bad music any more? she managed to turn one of the dullest songs she's ever released into a certified bop.
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No new vocals, so I suspect it's a remix. Certainly better than the original and the 328942 shitty remixes I've heard on Hot 97, but the backing track is a little busier than it needs to be.
 
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botty

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godelsmetric said:
By comparison with BEYONCÉ, yes, 4 is clearly the weaker album. But there's clearly something of the artistic maturity (if not the same style) and confidence in 4 that's there in spades on BEYONCÉ. Countdown, Love on Top, End of Time and Run the World (Girls) all have permanent places on my general pop playlist though.
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Definitely a lot of confidence in 4. And it was deserved: coming off of B'day and Single Ladies. Reminds me of Sony's transition from the PS2 to PS3.
 
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