maneil99
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Yeah fuck opinions! Fuck complaints over downgrades! Fuck standards that aren't the same as mine!
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Watch_dogs: Wind, Water, light effects - [PS4 version confirmed]
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Yeah fuck opinions! Fuck complaints over downgrades! Fuck standards that aren't the same as mine!
Witchfinder General
punched Wheelchair Mike
I hope the PC version retains the bokeh depth-of-field that the original reveal had.
You're dismissing his opinion?
maneil99
Member
His opinion is that others shouldn't have opinions that aren't the same as his, which is fine but you can't get mad at others for saying it.
chickdigger802
Banned
i hope you can turn off the wind stuff. seems like it will kill performance while not adding much.... unless we can fly kites!
Muppet of a Man
Member
Translation: Console downgrade = PC downgrade = TOTAL DOWNGRADE
Man, I can't wait for this cross-generational nonsense to end...
No, not when the downgrades largely only exist in people's minds and haven't even been objectively shown to be true. Even if the downgrades were true it still wouldn't justify the extremely over-the-top hate and the negative hyperbole.
He's talking about a larger pattern here and he is absolutely correct.
This. The negative hyperbole surrounding this game is stupid as fuck. I've yet to see a single direct, high quality comparison that shows this supposed major downgrade people are blabbering about. Just a bunch of bullshit that was started by a 5 second low quality gif. We've barely even seen the game running with the same time of day and weather conditions as the reveal yet "ooooomg downgradetonz!!! Pre-order cancelled!!!!"
Less hyperbole, more ACTUALL evidence of a downgrade, please. I think it has more to do with subsequent footage not being as impactful as the original reveal (because since then we've seen better looking games) so people register that as a downgrade. In reality it has looked pretty much the same since its reveal with some minor tweaks to lighting and explosions/particles.
Is 120 fps your idea of "decent" or something? It will run fine on a 7970 or better.
Uh no.
I tend to be very cautious when making final judgement on a game still in development, for obvious reasons.
Dont get me wrong...there are a ton of the bullshots out there for games but i think that is becoming less and less thanks to social media and smartphones...it just seems people are far more informed these days than last generation which is a good thing because it forces developers to be a bit more gun-shy (honest) rather to push out bullshots lol
The initial reveal wasn't a bullshot though. It was the game running on a high end PC that was more powerful than the PS4 or Xbone. It's one thing to put out supersampled photoshopped crap that practically nobody will actually play and another to demo a game on semi-powerful hardware. If people are upset that the PS4 version doesn't look quite as nice as the original reveal then I have two number for them to take a good hard look at:
3.5 > 1.84
That's about the difference in GPU TFLOP performance between the PC that the reveal gameplay was running on and the PS4. That's called REALITY. Expecting the console version to look like the reveal when we KNEW the type of PC it was running on is by no means "informed."
Yeah, I agree with all that. The thing about that gif that is so stupid (the one with the yellow car going over the drawbridge) is that you can see the same thing in the PS4 footage from last year and it looks exactly the same. But people acted like it was evidence that the game had been suddenly downgraded compared to even last years footage. Check out this video at about the 0:48 minute mark to see what I am talking about: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEIe1SIzUVY
I don't remember ubisoft giving out the gpu specs of the initial build. For all we know it was rendering on a quad gpu setup.
Cave Johnson
Member
I'm trying guys, I really am but this doesn't even remotely look as good as I remembered from the E3 2012 demo. Someone please make comparison gifs from the recent PS4 "infomercial", the E3 2012 demo and this German preview build side by side.
It just looks so damn bland.
It just looks so damn bland.
Rumored to be running on at least one GTX 680 according to Eurogamer. Possibly two. If more than one, then people should be even less surprised about a "downgrade" to the console versions but that doesn't seem to be stopping people. It's actually quite impressive how good the PS4 version looks compared to the initial reveal when you consider the hardware it was running on.
Probably because in 2012 there was nothing that looked anywhere near as good as Watch Dogs. Now it's common to see games like that so it's less impactful. I just watched the old footage and newer footage and I'm not seeing how the old version is any less "bland." IMO the game has never really looked bland. But when you string together a sequence of events specifically for a demo designed to paint the game in the best possible light then yes, gameplay more in-line with what you're going to actually experience may seem a little bland.
Objectively Bad Opinion
Member
Holy crap, I just watched this video. This is an April fools joke right?
In a good way or a bad way? No, it's for real. I think it looks excellent.
I don't think there's one scene in these videos that look like the E3 reveal (night/rain) so it would not be a really good comparison.
MutonCommander
Banned
Well I think it looks great, better than the console versions for sure which really weren't bad to begin with. I'm sure once you put in the Nvidia exclusive effects the game will come even closer to the initial reveal.
Rambone
Member
Cockpit view has me sold, I've been waiting for a GTA like game to include this for awhile now. The hardest decision to make will be the choice between the PC version or the PS4. I'm not happy about the down-grades but with all things considered the game will be fun to play and probably still look good.
My PC will handle the game just fine but I also like playing on my PS4. Maybe I will get both should the price be right one day.
My PC will handle the game just fine but I also like playing on my PS4. Maybe I will get both should the price be right one day.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
The lighting is different. If you don't notice it then there's no need to be concerned.
Auto-Reply
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I'm not against it even if it is for visual fluff only but this has me wondering why they would implement such a thing and not going for something else that is more 'in your face' (whatever it may be). It nearly as if they don't know what to do with their resources so they throw random ideas in it, tessellate the water, why not, put in real time wind simulation ok, next thing you know they raytrace the whole scene in realtime and in high res... maybe there is a gameplay element to it i haven't seen yet?
But thinking about it a little longer, maybe it actually makes a difference and the city feels more alive and random when you see wind blowing leaves out and into streets with different velocity etc.
MutonCommander
Banned
I think the complaints are a bit hyperbolic to be honest. It is obvious that some effects are missing or have been downgraded from the initial trailer, most notably bokeh depth of field and the lighting system, but the game still looks really good on PC for an open world game and the console versions are reasonably close. The initial reveal showed the game running on a GTX 680, a graphics card that is much more powerful than the PS4. There was no way that the console versions could match that and if a decision was made to downgrade the game it occured across all next gen versions, PC included, as that simplifies game development.
Even so, the game looks good. Damn good in some shots. I am happy.
Even so, the game looks good. Damn good in some shots. I am happy.
Yeah, it seems to me that Ubisoft are holding the PS4 version back from achieving much more on purpose.
Or because that PS3, 360, & Xbox One are holding the PS4 version back.
childplease
Banned
ahaha why wouldn't it.
Infamous isn't some graphical master piece.
Lets be honest here it looks very flat and like a cross gen game.
is this a thing where people forget that that PC exists? you know the ps4 is holding the PC versino back?
Always-honest
Banned
Or maybe nobody said the PS4 can't handle this stuff...
Although i doubt watertesselation is in. It's also the thing almost nobody will notice.
maneil99
Member
So are mid range pcs... Your holding back my pc. Devs should move on without you.
nelsonroyale
Member
maneil99
Member
Child please. Nobody pays attention to your troll comments you post thread - thread.
You have an agenda, continue fighting the good fight.
GameAddict411
Member
Sirolf
Member
This is pathetic...Are you really serious ??
Edit : you are perhaps really underage after all !
In what way is it different? If "the lighting is different" is the reason for weeks of hyperbole and outrage then fucking lol.
Because it would look bad? I honestly have no clue. I think they're just hiding the downgrade at this point.
Still looks pretty bad due to barbie plastic hair everywhere, and awful texture for faces.
I can see why 90% of the NPC are wearing hat/hoodie.
That brunette lady with the green coat looks like a zombie from the 30s.
And the brown coat lady upfront from her...her cheek bone/face is a balloon, and her walking animation is so weird(maybe it is the coat).
At least the city looks very nice though.
I can see why 90% of the NPC are wearing hat/hoodie.
That brunette lady with the green coat looks like a zombie from the 30s.
And the brown coat lady upfront from her...her cheek bone/face is a balloon, and her walking animation is so weird(maybe it is the coat).
At least the city looks very nice though.
Bokeh dof is in the current console version, though, isn't it? I swear I saw it used quite a bit in some of the recent media. There's no reason it couldn't be done on consoles as well as PC, really.
You really like to harp on this and I'm not sure why. I simply cannot understand. It's extremely detailed and features some of the most realistic lighting we've seen in any open world game. You're basically just trolling.
It feels like you once saw a single shot with a lod problem and declared it flat and cross-gen ever since without ever really looking at the game.
Yeah right? It doesn't even touch Ryse's graphics.
childplease
Banned
Lighting is fantastic, but everything is flat and textures are lacking.
Combine that with the jaggies and the game just is not a looker.
Look at those ground textures ....
The lighting does a good job of hiding alot of this though especially at night.
i'm really not concerned whether this was downgraded or not - the graphics are just plain underwhelming. [although it is quite clearly nowhere near the level of the initial reveal - unsurprisingly]
it does look somewhat "flat" [for lack of a better word], & victim of classic cross-gen-itis - childplease is correct to say so, and has every right to say so.
if you don't agree, that is absolutely fine.
if you would rather people focused on the game's potential gameplay merits, or pitfalls, that is also absolutely fine.
to be honest, i appreciate that gaffers are beginning to police one another in an attempt to diffuse some of the salem-county-witch-hunt graphics bashing going on so far this generation - but let's not fold the paper too far the other way now, mmk?
i, for one, did not see terribly much difference [if any?] between this video & that recently released containing exclusive PS4 footage - but i'm also viewing this content on a 1440p monitor that doesn't have 1:1 pixel input capabilities, so...
all in all, i'm willing to give this game a bit of a break, as i'm well aware of the difficulties of making such an expansive environment visually stimulating [especially this early into a generation, & especially on a cross-generation engine], but other than some decent textures, [thankfully] improved water tessellation, & decent geometry counts [in select / key places] - the game's just not wowing me visually the way i'd like / hope / wish.
but, are graphics everything? not at all.
but, can we blame people for focusing on them during a generational transition? not at all.
it does look somewhat "flat" [for lack of a better word], & victim of classic cross-gen-itis - childplease is correct to say so, and has every right to say so.
if you don't agree, that is absolutely fine.
if you would rather people focused on the game's potential gameplay merits, or pitfalls, that is also absolutely fine.
to be honest, i appreciate that gaffers are beginning to police one another in an attempt to diffuse some of the salem-county-witch-hunt graphics bashing going on so far this generation - but let's not fold the paper too far the other way now, mmk?
i, for one, did not see terribly much difference [if any?] between this video & that recently released containing exclusive PS4 footage - but i'm also viewing this content on a 1440p monitor that doesn't have 1:1 pixel input capabilities, so...
all in all, i'm willing to give this game a bit of a break, as i'm well aware of the difficulties of making such an expansive environment visually stimulating [especially this early into a generation, & especially on a cross-generation engine], but other than some decent textures, [thankfully] improved water tessellation, & decent geometry counts [in select / key places] - the game's just not wowing me visually the way i'd like / hope / wish.
but, are graphics everything? not at all.
but, can we blame people for focusing on them during a generational transition? not at all.
You're using horribly compressed shots which absolutely ruin image quality which, by the way, is one of the cleanest implementations of post-process AA to date. Only way to best that is to switch over to SSAA of some sort. Textures are incredible most of the time as well. Look at these shots.Lighting is fantastic, but everything is flat and textures are lacking.
Combine that with the jaggies and the game just is not a looker.
Look at those ground textures ....
The lighting does a good job of hiding alot of this though especially at night.
When you look at shots taken from a capture card it looks much better. Find me an open world game on the PC with visuals this detailed. ICE for GTAIV sure as hell isn't it (it's a stupidly inconsistent mod that looks like shit as often as it looks realistic - it's gif bait). What other actual open world game have you played that looks this detailed?
I've yet to play any other open world game with genuine physically based lighting, screen space reflections everywhere, and so much unique high-resolution textures throughout. You're complaining about "flatness" when the main character himself uses 60,000+ triangles alongside all of the other NPCs and vehicles on screen. World geometry is very detailed. There are points where LOD becomes evident, of course, but its appearance is inconsistent.
childplease
Banned
Yea now those flat low res textures have water on them.
Still looks mediocre.
Still looks mediocre.
RedAssedApe
Banned
you're just supposed to say child please and move on
They're not low resolution, though.
Which open world games look better on any platform?