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[Noray]

People were expecting the PC version to run off a completely different code base than the original game? Really? Like, really really? Let's look at the facts:

1) The screenshots on Steam showed the same style as the console version.
2) This is FROM software. Remember the Dark Souls pc version? And now you expect these guys to ship a pc version 6 weeks after the OG release that uses a completely different rendering solution?
3) No but really, you should've managed your expectations here. Not realistic.

It's time people moved on. FWIW, I think the game looks pretty great overall, with some amazing locations and some crappy ones (Shaded Woods, looking at you).

 

[samurai1226]

I just don't get why people rage about this particular game. Literally every game in history uses bullshots or the equivalent in trailers.

Doesn't make it right, sure, but why the outrage now?

They did their best trying to keep the fidelity, but couldn't. Someone on the PR-department thought it would be a good idea to promote the game with old footage. Big deal? No.

Game looks great and is a lot of fun.

Its not that they released bullshots at first. They showed false ps3 gameplay just before launch

Fuck the old lightning system! FROM couldn't do it for whatever and its really irrelevant and old at this point.I absolutely don't care about how different shadows and lights bounce on surfaces because that doesn't make a good game.

It's not about how good the game is, it is about they lied what technically the game delivers. If they cant bring good graphics, than just admit you couldnt do it and show what you got - Fans will still love the game. but showing false gameplay from old builds and act like nothing has changed is just wrong

Its a bit like the oculus rift thing, people trusted From because they are not a big studio (where we are used to get false gameplay) and they just betrayed their fans

 

[paperspace]

I'm not sure I understand. The outrage is ongoing since last month.
The reason why it flames up once again is because we are getting screwed over, again, since not even the PC version has that falsely advertised Lighting Engine.

No, I mean this game in general.

To me, it just seems absurd to expect a whole new game. Better resolution, framerate, loading times, effects in general like SSAO, AA, shadows etc. but a whole new look? Has that ever been the case with any game, excluding the traditional remakes?

 

[soontroll]

People were expecting the PC version to run off a completely different code base than the original game? Really? Like, really really? Let's look at the facts:

1) The screenshots on Steam showed the same style as the console version.
2) This is FROM software. Remember the Dark Souls pc version? And now you expect these guys to ship a pc version 6 weeks after the OG release that uses a completely different rendering solution?
3) No but really, you should've managed your expectations here. Not realistic.

It's time people moved on. FWIW, I think the game looks pretty great overall, with some amazing locations and some crappy ones (Shaded Woods, looking at you).

1)no, they had screenshots of the vertical slice until last week (and still do on the official website)
2)we're expecting what we're advertised.
3)no, it's up to the developer/publisher to provide footage that consumers will base their expectations on.

 

[Shinjica]

Fuck the old lightning system! FROM couldn't do it for whatever and its really irrelevant and old at this point.I absolutely don't care about how different shadows and lights bounce on surfaces because that doesn't make a good game..

And i was thinking that a good atmosphere (yes, a good light too) is one of the thing that make Souls series great.

How can I be this stupid???

Think Latria Tower in Demon's Souls without that dark, it will be the same thing?

 

[SargerusBR]

No resolution support beyond 1080p?

30fps cap?

Terrible textures?

The list goes on.

Smash88
bottom-tier poster

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

Fuck the old lightning system! FROM couldn't do it for whatever and its really irrelevant and old at this point.I absolutely don't care about how different shadows and lights bounce on surfaces because that doesn't make a good game.

Dark Souls 2 is a great game with immense amount of work and content put into it.

I can't believe we live in an age where a dedicated developer like FROM needs to be boycotted "cuz lighting".That a game that looks like this and has amazing gameplay and tons of content needs to be punished.



Its depressing, disappointing and disheartening to read something like this on a dedicated gaming forum.

I can't believe we live in an age where people don't bother even reading the argument when trying to oppose said argument.

Please, so that you can be taken seriously, read why people are not buying the PC port. Its not because the lighting looks bad, its because FROM/Namco lied to everyone.

 

[doomquake]

Looks awesome

 

[soontroll]

I can't believe we live in an age where people don't bother even reading the argument when trying to oppose said argument.

Please, so that you can be taken seriously, read why people are not buying the PC port. Its not because the lighting looks bad, its because FROM/Namco lied to everyone.

But would you get angry if Burger King gave you a burger that doesn't look like the one in the commercial tho?
#rekt

 

[Kamina]

We are not getting 'screwed over' again.

Expecting the PC version would have a completely different lighting system to the console versions was unrealistic on the consumer's part.

Seeing the downgrade on PS360 i have to agree. I never expected the PC Version to have the Lighting, but there were those of us who hoped for it, and they do feel screwed over.

No, I mean this game in general.

To me, it just seems absurd to expect a whole new game. Better resolution, framerate, loading times, effects in general like SSAO, AA, shadows etc. but a whole new look? Has that ever been the case with any game, excluding the traditional remakes?

No one really wanted a whole new game, they just wanted the old Lighting Engine in place, simply because it is technically possible on PC.

 

[samurai1226]

But would you get angry if Burger King gave you a burger that doesn't look like the one in the commercial tho?
#rekt

you cant compare food and media.
would you be angry if a movie showed cool cgi effects in the trailer and then the cgi in the actual movie is really bad?

 

[soontroll]

you cant compare food and media.
would you be angry if a movie showed cool cgi effects in the trailer and then the cgi in the actual movie is really bad?

Haha I was actually making fun of that ridiculous argument which I've seen repeated here multiple times.

 

[toastyToast]

It's not like they lied about the gameplay or said it was going to be x hours long and it wasn't. The issue in purely aesthetic.

I don't buy the false advertisement angle. If all it took was a visual downgrade to kill your excitement I doubt you cared all that much.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

But would you get angry if Burger King gave you a burger that doesn't look like the one in the commercial tho?
#rekt

Yes because comparing food to gaming is really a good analogy.

#notusingmybrain

It's not like they lied about the gameplay or said it was going to be x hours long and it wasn't. The issue in purely aesthetic.

I don't buy the false advertisement angle. If all it took was a visual downgrade to kill your excitement I doubt you cared all that much.

Video games. Video games.

Do I need to spell it out anymore.

 

[Seanspeed]

Seeing the downgrade on PS360 i have to agree. I never expected the PC Version to have the Lighting, but there were those of us who hoped for it, and they do feel screwed over.

You cant blame developers for consumers having unrealistic expectations.

I'm sure many people feel screwed over. Doesn't mean they are justified in feeling that way, though.

 

[soontroll]

Yes because comparing food to gaming is really a good analogy.

#notusingmybrain



Video games. Video games.

Do I need to spell it out anymore.

See my post above. I was being facetious.

 

[Kamina]

But would you get angry if Burger King gave you a burger that doesn't look like the one in the commercial tho?
#rekt

Completely different things. Burgers you consume as nourishment, the main aspect lying in taste, the look is not unimportant but not mandatory either as there are plenty of foods who do not look nice but taste awesomely. Now If they advertised the Burger implying it tastes awesomely but turns it out like shit the whole thing would be a comparable to the Dark Souls 2 problem as Media is something which is completely based on visual and auditory experience.

 

[KCroxtonJr]

Nice troll. You can continue to miss the point all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that we have here a blatant example of false advertising, something which is punished by law, because, yes, there are laws that protect the consumers against things like that (I can't believe I have to remind people of that).
The videos and screenshots of the game were doctored, up until the release day. No one expected the game to look so drastically different (there were two topics entirely dedicated to that on these very forums). People who pre-ordered the game and who expected such quality were wronged.
I'm flaggerbasted to see more and more players being OK with being lied to. And I'm not even talking about other things that should not exist but that people keep buying despite the fact that those things are plaguing the video game industry (DLC).

Blowing this WAYYYYY out of proportion. It is not that serious to bring up laws and stuff like that.

The screens and videos were not doctored, the games graphics were just changed in the end. And they DID show the final graphics TWO MONTHS before release, atleast.

I am not ok with being lied to. I do no like to support false advertisement, nor do I need to be reminded of the way the law works. I am just as upset that all of this happened. I shook my head many times playing through the game, imagining how things could have looked. Hell, I haven't even played the game as much as I thought I would, beat the final boss and haven't touched it since, didn't even start new game+.

But at the end of the day, we were given what we were told we would get, Dark Souls 2. Not some cheap knock off that doesn't represent the earlier videos in ANY way. Now if the final game didn't resemble the early showings at all, then it would be a serious matter.

I think its just kinda crazy to condemn a game and the companies involved with it over something so small as graphical misrepresentation, which isn't as misrepresented as people are making it seem.

 

[soontroll]

You cant blame developers for consumers having unrealistic expectations.

I'm sure many people feel screwed over. Doesn't mean they are justified in feeling that way, though.

Oh come on. Of course you can blame the developer or whoever was handling the marketing. They made the game look good, we saw it and " wow can't wait for the game to look that good", they fucked up and yet we're the ones to blame.

Completely different things. Burgers you consume as nourishment, the main aspect lying in taste, the look is not unimportant but not mandatory either as there are plenty of foods who do not look nice but taste awesomely. Now If they advertised the Burger implying it tastes awesomely but turns it out like shit the whole thing would be a comparable to the Dark Souls 2 problem as Media is something which is completely based on visual experience.

I thought my previous posts here would make my true position obvious. Maybe I should put /s at the end from now on.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

Blowing this WAYYYYY out of proportion. It is not that serious to bring up laws and stuff like that.

The screens and videos were not doctored, the games graphics were just changed in the end. And they DID show the final graphics TWO MONTHS before release, atleast.

I am not ok with being lied to. I do no like to support false advertisement, nor do I need to be reminded of the way the law works. I am just as upset that all of this happened. I shook my head many times playing through the game, imagining how things could have looked. Hell, I haven't even played the game as much as I thought I would, beat the final boss and haven't touched it since, didn't even start new game+.

But at the end of the day, we were given what we were told we would get, Dark Souls 2. Not some cheap knock off that doesn't represent the earlier videos in ANY way. Now if the final game didn't resemble the early showings at all, then it would be a serious matter.

I think its just kinda crazy to condemn a game and the companies involved with it over something so small as graphical misrepresentation, which isn't as misrepresented as people are making it seem.

No they didn't. People found out only after playing the game.

 

[KCroxtonJr]

No they didn't. People found out only after playing the game.

Would you like me to link the pics here? Better yet, go check IGN for yourself.

There was quite a bit of discussion about the pics and them looking like shit. Nobody wanted to believe it though.

 

[Kamina]

You cant blame developers for consumers having unrealistic expectations.

I'm sure many people feel screwed over. Doesn't mean they are justified in feeling that way, though.

But thats the whole thing. Since the Lighting engine is technically possible on PC, and was advertised too, it is more than justified to feel screwed when your hopes are getting crushed again. Whether or not the hopes were realistic after the PS360 version is debatable.

 

[Seanspeed]

Oh come on. Of course you can blame the developer or whoever was handling the marketing. They made the game look good, we saw it and " wow can't wait for the game to look that good", they fucked up and yet we're the ones to blame.

I'm talking about this idea that we were screwed 'again' with the PC version.

 

[tassletine]

The main problem for me doesn't have much to do with the actual graphics technically, but the atmosphere provided by those graphics. The older version just looks much more scary, and that impacts gameplay. Dark Souls always felt like a horror game and Dark Souls 2 less so. There are a lot fewer sections that make you fear for your life or make you feel lost or alone.

Even the abundance of NPC's makes me think that life in Majula is probably pretty good and you could form a decent community eventually to take on the enemies together. It's pleasant there. These sorts of core elements seem to have been forgotten about in DS2 -- in the original I got the impression that every element was thought about rigorously to make you despair. That's just not the case here. It feels jumbled. Something is missing.

And I think that something is the lighting design. Going from a safe environment into areas that just gets darker and darker, carrying your torch along the way. It's a great mechanic, and one that I hope we will see (along with some level tweaks to keep us on our toes) in the next gen versions.

 

[RVinP]

.Media/PR presentation of the games visual is high
.actual game visuals (from Previews for PC version) is average
.game (PC version) not yet released
.why are people mentioning 'False Advertisement' repeatedly when the PC version is already showcased before its even released, mostly to educate people about the PC version of the game ?

So with intent; Everyone who is complaining that FROM pulled over their eyes for the PC version, is just ignoring the actual previews of the PC version of the game and still complaining?

I don't get it at all; don't demand if you don't like the visuals on PC version, since its not yet released. <- Unless one has preordered of course.

Edit: We even have console versions of the game to help us decide to buy the game, if the PC preview wasn't enough.

 

[tengiants]

Completely different things. Burgers you consume as nourishment, the main aspect lying in taste, the look is not unimportant but not mandatory either as there are plenty of foods who do not look nice but taste awesomely. Now If they advertised the Burger implying it tastes awesomely but turns it out like shit the whole thing would be a comparable to the Dark Souls 2 problem as Media is something which is completely based on visual experience.

It's a more apt analogy than you're crediting it. The bolded couldn't be any more wrong.

 

[Haunted]

Are the press accounts on Steam already having the final version? What's the two week holdup for a digital release?

edit: sounds like it's a prerelease/preview version. not expecting anything to change in the last two weeks though

 

[Shredderi]

Haven't really kept tabs on this game recently. I was just waiting for some pc footage to come out before really checking on this game. I have no expectations compared to any old footage etc. What I'm seeing from a purely graphical standpoint though is pretty disappointing. My disappointment is largely based on the old interviews and articles which mentioned that they made this game on a new engine and all. I just had set my expectations for the new engine a little higher. I hope that everyone understands that the disappointment being talked in here is about the graphics and not about the gameplay. This could be a really great game and I'll propably buy this, but this IS a graphics comparison thread, not a gameplay thread.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

Would you like me to link the pics here? Better yet, go check IGN for yourself.

There was quite a bit of discussion about the pics and them looking like shit.

Except those pics were from different areas.

Comparisons can only be effectively made when its the same area and screenshots are no where near as conclusive as videos.

We only saw the true extent of the downgrade once playing the game:

 

[Kamina]

It's a more apt analogy than you're crediting it. The bolded couldn't be any more wrong.

Forgot the Audio part I'll give you that, I updated my original post. There is no taste or smell and no physical feeling involved. All you feel is created by visual and auditory experience.

 

[doofy102]

From goofed this up. They deserve whatever backlash they get from this. Shame it probably won't be enough.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

It is miles better than DeS though.

No way. DeS had the best hitboxes and the best combat. It is known.

So it looks like shit on PC too.
No atmosphere. And atmosphere is a big thing in Souls games.

Bollocks. The game oozes with atmosphere constantly. Have you even played it?

So was it all just bullshit that this new engine was "built for next gen" and that the "pc version is the lead version"?

Definitely avoiding this game like the plague on all systems.

So funny to still see so many people cutting off their noses to spite their faces. Oh well.

I entirely agree with you. This is false advertising and FROM/Namco should be held accountable. At least Ubisoft had the balls to show their downgraded version before release.

Um, so did they... and people kept complaining at how ugly the game looked. lol.

 

[Brerlappin]

Well, the PC version doesnt look like complete ass, and im confident in the talented modders like our very own Based Durante when it comes to ironing out remaining niggles, so fuck it, ive put down my pre-order now.

 

[Kamina]

Well, the PC version doesnt look like complete ass, and im confident in the talented modders like our very own Based Durante when it comes to ironing out remaining niggles, so fuck it, ive put down my pre-order now.

Neither did the PS360 versions. There are a lot of pretty areas.

 

[KCroxtonJr]

Except those pics were from different areas.

Comparisons can only be effectively made when its the same area and screenshots are no where near as conclusive as videos.

We only saw the true extent of the downgrade once playing the game:

Bullshit.

Also, there was b-roll footage with the final graphics released in January as well.

Here let me help you out this time, this particular video was released in early february but the footage was shown elsewhere in january for sure:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGdm0Dout2I

Are you going to tell me that this isn't conclusive as well?

edit: time to retire from these DkS2 threads again, hope all you guys have fun not playing Dark Souls 2, and also hope you guys stick to your word and don't support FROM or Bamco in the future. Can't support liars and false advertisers after all.

 

[Kamina]

Bullshit.

Also, there was b-roll footage with the final graphics released in January as well.

Here let me help you out this time, this particular video was released in early february but the footage was shown elsewhere in january for sure:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGdm0Dout2I

Are you going to tell me that this isn't conclusive as well?

edit: time to retire from these DkS2 threads again, hope all you guys have fun not playing Dark Souls 2, and also hope you guys stick to your word and don't support FROM or Bamco in the future. Can't support liars and false advertisers after all.

You are a horrible troll. You don't even try.

 

[AmyS]

I must say, I've really enjoyed the short amount of time I've been playing Demon's Souls and the first Dark Souls. They're certainly not easy by any stretch, they are difficult indeed, but not really as difficult as I had expected from what I've read many people (not everyone) say about these games since 2009.



Regarding graphics, early previews / trailers, etc., I'd imagine FROM and Namco / Bandai will improve how they handle things with the next game in the series especially assuming it's going to be for PS4/XB1/PC only.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

Bullshit.

Also, there was b-roll footage with the final graphics released in January as well.

Here let me help you out this time, this particular video was released in early february but the footage was shown elsewhere in january for sure:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGdm0Dout2I

Are you going to tell me that this isn't conclusive as well?

edit: time to retire from these DkS2 threads again, hope all you guys have fun not playing Dark Souls 2, and also hope you guys stick to your word and don't support FROM or Bamco in the future. Can't support liars and false advertisers after all.

Except those pics were from different areas.

Bro can you even read.

I bought DS2 from a friend. This way I'm having fun and not supporting them

 

[CarbonByGravity]

Wow this thread is an absolutely depressing read. So many whiners and complainers. Thank goodness this place is filled with the tiny vocal minority that always rears its ugly head when things don't meet their delusional expectation. For all those bitching and moaning about lighting and false advertising, take a look in the mirror, that person you see is not who you think it is. In fact that person you see is a self-righteous prepubescent child, and NOT the articulate savior of the gaming community that you've constructed in your head. We all get it, the lighting was axed, some of the screen shots used for advertising are not representative. Do you know what else isn't representative? Everything. Not even the world you perceive with your eyes is real. We as humans can only see a small fraction of light called the visible spectrum, but no one's complaining about the fake ass world that our eyes perceive and brains create as a result. No, instead we created satellites and instruments capable of seeing the world we can not. In other words, stop complaining about incredibly trivial shit, learn to code and mod the game if it doesn't meet your expectations. All this outrage is a joke. Personally, I'm going to triple dip on this game just to make up for the numb nuts who are "supposedly" boycotting it.

 

[KCroxtonJr]

Bro can you even read.

I bought DS2 from a friend. This way I'm having fun and not supporting them

When did I ever say they were pics of the same exact area? I said they were pics of the final graphics of the game. Can you read bro?

Hate to break it to you, but even just playing their game is supporting them. Have fun dying

 

[Nohar]

Wow this thread is an absolutely depressing read. So many whiners and complainers. Thank goodness this place is filled with the tiny vocal minority that always rears its ugly head when things don't meet their delusional expectation. For all those bitching and moaning about lighting and false advertising, take a look in the mirror, that person you see is not who you think it is. In fact that person you see is a self-righteous prepubescent child, and NOT the articulate savior of the gaming community that you've constructed in your head. We all get it, the lighting was axed, some of the screen shots used for advertising are not representative. Do you know what else isn't representative? Everything. Not even the world you perceive with your eyes is real. We as humans can only see a small fraction of light called the visible spectrum, but no one's complaining about the fake ass world that our eyes perceive and brains create as a result. No, instead we created satellites and instruments capable of seeing the world we can not. In other words, stop complaining about incredibly trivial shit, learn to code and mod the game if it doesn't meet your expectations. All this outrage is a joke. Personally, I'm going to triple dip on this game just to make up for the numb nuts who are "supposedly" boycotting it.

Nice to know that there are intelligent persons like you who like to take things way too personaly and attack people, instead of using rational arguments relevant to the discussion at hand /sarcasm

 

[Dascu]

Wow this thread is an absolutely depressing read. So many whiners and complainers. Thank goodness this place is filled with the tiny vocal minority that always rears its ugly head when things don't meet their delusional expectation. For all those bitching and moaning about lighting and false advertising, take a look in the mirror, that person you see is not who you think it is. In fact that person you see is a self-righteous prepubescent child, and NOT the articulate savior of the gaming community that you've constructed in your head. We all get it, the lighting was axed, some of the screen shots used for advertising are not representative. Do you know what else isn't representative? Everything. Not even the world you perceive with your eyes is real. We as humans can only see a small fraction of light called the visible spectrum, but no one's complaining about the fake ass world that our eyes perceive and brains create as a result. No, instead we created satellites and instruments capable of seeing the world we can not. In other words, stop complaining about incredibly trivial shit, learn to code and mod the game if it doesn't meet your expectations. All this outrage is a joke. Personally, I'm going to triple dip on this game just to make up for the numb nuts who are "supposedly" boycotting it.

What satellite and instruments do I need to see the logic in your post?

 

[_machine]

Except those pics were from different areas.

Comparisons can only be effectively made when its the same area and screenshots are no where near as conclusive as videos.

We only saw the true extent of the downgrade once playing the game:

How is not being able to make comparisons suddenly lying?

The argument was that they never showed footage representative of the final product, which is absolutely false. And that's a fact.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

When did I ever say they were pics of the same exact area? I said they were pics of the final graphics of the game. Can you read bro?

Hate to break it to you, but even just playing their game is supporting them. Have fun dying

Comparisons can only be effectively made when its the same area

Thats why people only realised how much had been downgraded when playing because they saw the same areas that were demoed.

Right its clear your either being trollish or ignoring my posts.

 

[Feindflug]

Bro can you even read.

I bought DS2 from a friend. This way I'm having fun and not supporting them

So I guess you will not support anything from From Software again in the future? I ask because you seem pretty excited about the Demon's Souls 2 rumor.

 

[Kamina]

How is not being able to make comparisons suddenly lying?

The argument was that they never showed footage representative of the final product, which is absolutely false. And that's a fact.

And that argument developed from the incorrect statement that we were aware of the final games quality before release, which is wrong as we didn't have any earlier footage of that area to compare it too.

 

[_machine]

And that argument developed from the incorrect statement that we were aware of the final games quality before release, which is wrong as we didn't have any earlier footage of that area to compare it too.

Reading and watching the previews in January quite well showed the quality of the game and I certainly was aware that it didn't look as good as it had before. So, I don't really get why they would only need to limit the preview areas to ones people could compare to previous versions, because most people don't actually do that. And it still doesn't count as lying; they showed the game in the final condition before the launch.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

So I guess you will not support anything from From Software again in the future? I ask because you seem pretty excited about the Demon's Souls 2 rumor.

Why would I not support anymore FROM games. Their games are wonderful. If they pull something like this again for Demons Souls then I will just buy the game used. Their games are still fun.

How is not being able to make comparisons suddenly lying?

The argument was that they never showed footage representative of the final product, which is absolutely false. And that's a fact.

Demo with gameplay written on it is shown on reveal.
People play the beta with the same graphical fidelity.
Mirror Knight demo is released on game shows with the same graphical fidelity months before release.

Game comes out with downgraded visuals in above areas. Comparisons made, downgrade confirmed.

Its pretty simple. I don't why some are confusing themselves.

 

[KCroxtonJr]

People play the beta with the same graphical fidelity.

How can you compare the graphical fidelity of the beta, when that area was different from the initial demo?

I am not trolling.

edit: to be clear, my point is, you don't need to be able to compare exact areas to tell the graphical fidelity.

 

[B-Genius]

Completely different things. Burgers you consume as nourishment, the main aspect lying in taste, the look is not unimportant but not mandatory either as there are plenty of foods who do not look nice but taste awesomely. Now If they advertised the Burger implying it tastes awesomely but turns it out like shit the whole thing would be a comparable to the Dark Souls 2 problem as Media is something which is completely based on visual and auditory experience.

You guys... the people over on the McDonalds forums must be spinning in their graves.

"Completely different things. Games you consume for entertainment, the main aspect lying in gameplay, the look is not unimportant but not mandatory either as there are plenty of games who do not look nice but play awesomely. Now If they advertised the Game implying it plays awesomely but turns it out like shit the whole thing would be a comparable to the Mega Bacon Whopper problem as Food is something which is completely based on taste and flavoursome experience."

From goofed this up. They deserve whatever backlash they get from this. Shame it probably won't be enough.

Posts like this really don't help anyone and only cause misinformation to spread more.
What exactly would be "enough" for you and your angry gang of internet/industry vets?

Seriously, it's one thing to care about the quality of a game and how its communicated, but another entirely to put emphasis on company backlash and making sure they "get what they deserve". Hate to sound like a dick, but this kind of reaction really comes across as pathetic.