But you will support it when it's on sale?
Typically giving less money to someone who is used to more money does send a message, yes.
But you will support it when it's on sale?
It won't send any message at all, aside from "People like sales."
Typically giving less money to someone who is used to more money does send a message, yes.
Yes, if you're a business leader and you only look at one chart in your entire career. Fewer people buying DSII at full price than DSI at full price is the message.
You're taking what I said out of context. It was in reference to something very specific, which you've not paid attention to and have just gone off because the rage mind has no time to slow down and think reasonably for a second.Welp, sub-10 dollar sale it is.
That visual downgrade is appalling, easily one of the most major in recent history. Those tiled textures are fucking gag-worthy.
It's depressing to see the amount of mental gymnastics and subsequent fervent defence this ridiculously deceptive tactic has gotten. Fanboys, yo.
Edit:
*See inital in-game gameplay footage*
*Expect the game to look like it*
*Somehow, this is now unreasonable*
I...just...can't. When the fuck did the quality of the footage shown in the initial gameplay trailer suddenly become so unlikely? When this footage was shown, where were all the FROM loyalists pointing out that such visual quality was not going to be reached in the final build? Why is it that such a point of view has only become popular now that game is released and the goalposts need to be moved?
Like I said, mental gymnastics.
Not buying the game for these reasons is ridiculous, the game looks gorgeous anyway.
They removed the excessively strong shadows, excessively exaggerated contrast that was shown in some areas just to impress.
Torch mechanics are still there, lighting with torch is still impressive.
They lied by showing a game with small, insignificant portions that don't look like the same portions in the actual game, and they still didn't offer a good reason for that switch (a good reason was there for sure, but they did not explain it in plain words), but it didn't affect the overall quality of the game in any way: lying is bad, but the game is not.
It's already sold plenty, FROM ain't worried about it.
The new lighting system they showed off was supposed to be a major selling point of the game, and it's not in the game. That is wrong, period. There is no defending it. From's marketing people should be fired. Now.
There are two issues with this mindset. The first is that if you're a marketing manager at a company like Namco and you're presenting figures by talking about "plenty," you're already fired. The second is assuming that one person's decision to buy at sale rather than at launch is meaningless -- this is the same fallacy that hampers voting strategies, when in reality it's not that one sale or vote that matters, but the bulk of them.
I don't know what 'message' people are trying to send by not buying it.
I mean, poor sales of the PC version wouldn't mean that FROM works much harder on the next one. They would just ditch the PC as a platform altogether.
And I'm happy they ditched the lighting mechanics. If the game was in encompassed in darkness like the TotG, then I'd probably not play it. Dark Areas are annoying and tend to be bullshit. I love what they did with Majula - if more of the game was like that, it'd be awesome. Also thrown in some snow environments.
This was already teetering on "wait for sale" territory. Confirmed now.
Sub-10 dollar sale it is.
*See inital in-game gameplay footage*
*Expect the game to look like it*
*Somehow, this is now unreasonable*
DaSII is more or less keeping pace with DaS sales. While that may not be thrilling, it's not enough of an issue that execs are going to say "oh, we're not having exceptionally better sales because there was a TGS build that didn't look the same as the final build and that annoyed some guys on Gaf". They're going to say, "This is a niche game that has reached saturation."
I'm not saying to not stand up for your principles. Only that waiting for a sale sends them non-specific information.
Fairly certain all the people wondering why everyone else is so enraged is due primarily to a lack of understanding of PC Gamers expect and what is the standard for a release in this day and age.
Unless you think that FROM intentionally and maliciously deceived customers, I don't know what you think a boycott will achieve. I'm sure they are very aware of all the complaints and can take the criticism onboard.On the opposite, if you buy it, they will not give a fuck about that situation. So I understand why people will not buy it.
Yes, if you're a business leader and you only look at one chart in your entire career. Fewer people buying DSII at full price than DSI at full price is the message.
You should have hated Latria Tower then
How will it be interpreted? The game wasn't good enough? The DRM was offensive? The price too high? Too many bugs? "I hate this industry, everyone is a liar"?
When they would see a thread like this they would simply shrug their shoulders. It's industry standard and not something they should "fix" on their own. I mean, ok, From stops with "false advertising", and then what? Will Microsoft, Sony and other big publishers do follow?
I don't think it's an effective way for telling a message.
Not true, the retail game does have that lighting system, but it has been toned down considerably. I know that the difference is drastic, but it's there and that should not be disregarded in the discussion. They promised a new lighting engine and delivered on it whether it's good or not. They also showed the downgrade in preview footage well before release, but there was mixed messaging in some parts (PS Access, Box art), but why do we keep acting like these things didn't happen?The new lighting system they showed off was supposed to be a major selling point of the game, and it's not in the game. That is wrong, period. There is no defending it. From's marketing people should be fired. Now.
I can almost guarantee that pre-orders for Dark Souls II on PC are generating significantly more sales and revenue than the first release.
The port for DSI had such bad word of mouth prior to release.
- GFWL
- 30 FPS lock
- No resolution support
Other than some poor marketing moves, DSII has always been rumored as a solid port.
- Arbitrary resolution support
- No DRM
- 60FPS
- Higher price point (Demand is higher, increases revenue potential)
Other than some poor marketing moves, DSII has always been rumored as a solid port.
- Arbitrary resolution support
No DRM- 60FPS
- Higher price point (Demand is higher, increases revenue potential)
Not true, the retail game does have that lighting system, but it has been toned down considerably. I know that the difference is drastic, but it's there and that should not be disregarded in the discussion. They promised a new lighting engine and delivered on it whether it's good or not. They also showed the downgrade in preview footage well before release, but there was mixed messaging in some parts (PS Access, Box art), but why do we keep acting like these things didn't happen?
Where did we get this? Really weird if true.
Where did we get this? Really weird if true.
Actually no. I'm not entirely happy with the marketing was handled. I don't think its 'the devil' like some people have made it seem and I don't think it was maliciously done, but they certainly did not do a good job with it.The "principles" thing is a given. Everybody who has decided to buy or not buy the game is "standing up for their principles".
There's no grand difference in morality here, just those who prioritize the quality of a game and those who prioritize how honestly-marketed a game is.
But you will support it when it's on sale?
I really don't know what some people think happened. lolFROM's disrespectful practices are disgusting
Ditto, they sure made mistakes, but that's not going to stop me from buying the game (though, I haven't even played DS1 through yet, so probably not at launch), but this isn't some evil masterplan some have made it to be or something huge at all. I can't tell others to not feel how they feel, but I personally don't feel deceived at all despite having no immediate interest in the game either.Actually no. I'm not entirely happy with the marketing was handled. I don't think its 'the devil' like some people have made it seem and I don't think it was maliciously done, but they certainly did not do a good job with it.
I'm still buying the game, though. Has nothing to do with principles and everything to do with me very much wanting to play DSII.
I have principles, but I'm also not such a stickler that I'm going to let minor issues about the handling of the marketing of a video game get in the way of enjoying my fucking life.
I'm just stunned at the negativity surrounding this port. It is so much better than the first game's.
Oh well, steam sale it is then. Despite wanting the game i don't support fraudulent practices in the industry.
I agree, it's cool that they are offering the bare bones basic standards that all PC games are expected to have.
Its not that they released bullshots at first. They showed false ps3 gameplay just before launch
It's not about how good the game is, it is about they lied what technically the game delivers. If they cant bring good graphics, than just admit you couldnt do it and show what you got - Fans will still love the game. but showing false gameplay from old builds and act like nothing has changed is just wrong
Its a bit like the oculus rift thing, people trusted From because they are not a big studio (where we are used to get false gameplay) and they just betrayed their fans
I can't believe we live in an age where people don't bother even reading the argument when trying to oppose said argument.
Please, so that you can be taken seriously, read why people are not buying the PC port. Its not because the lighting looks bad, its because FROM/Namco lied to everyone.
I really don't know what some people think happened. lol
But you'll support "fraudulent practices" later, but to a lesser degree.
Actually no. I'm not entirely happy with the marketing was handled. I don't think its 'the devil' like some people have made it seem and I don't think it was maliciously done, but they certainly did not do a good job with it.
I'm still buying the game, though. Has nothing to do with principles and everything to do with me very much wanting to play DSII.
I have principles, but I'm also not such a stickler that I'm going to let minor issues about the handling of the marketing of a video game get in the way of enjoying my fucking life.
What false previews (aside from PS Access trailer with old footage)?They lied to consumers by presenting us with false previews and misled us into expecting something that we didn't get, and when asked about it they avoided the issue. Have you seen the videos and screenshots? Have you read their "responses" to the questions? Do you know what this topic is all about?
Some of us don't like being lied to and treated like ignorant child consumers, it's really as simple as that.