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It's looking like I'll be getting myself a cheap DisKinected Xbone sooner than expected if this keeps up.
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Microsoft Earnings: 1.2 million Xbox One's shipped in Jan-Mar, 5.1M total (3.9+1.2)
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Sorry, you don't get off that easy here. Either back up what you are posting or face consequences.
With that said, I'd love to know what legitimate reasons you have to doubt the numbers by MS and/or Sony.
geordiemp
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Yeah that's what I have trouble with as well, I cant believe a console manufacturer stuffs the warehouse and gets the sale to very large distributors who are left holding the baby.
There must be some agreements in place for shifting them or some sort of deal...
otherwise these large retailers if they had to make no money on the Xbox ONE and give them away would be very unhappy and probably would not take any more stock period.
Does anybody know or work in retail on how this works...
Ken Masters
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MisterXDTV
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Dude, Dreamcast was a failure otherwise it wouldn't have been discontinued in March 2001, so no it wasn't a real competitor for Sony in that situation, especially in 2001
Mass Effect
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Ah okay. I thought people were just adding the 2013 sold numbers and 2014 shipped numbers together.
Verendus is trolling man.
Paging serversurfer or Abdiel.
This isn't an apples to apples comparison in terms of manufacturing. PS1/PS2/PS3/360 all were all pushing the edge of manufacturing. The PS4 and XB1 both are staying in the safe zone for manufacturing by not making consoles that push the bleeding edge of technology. They better be able to make more PS4 and XB1 than any other generation in the first six months when they are a much less radical technologically to produce.
SwiftDeath
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Because I have no shame I'll post this again wherein I estimate around 462k XB1 sales in the ROTW in 2014 although I'm now thinking until the end of March MS probably sold to consumers around 4.3M so ROTW is higher. Note this would be until end of March fyi
Don't pretend you aren't one, Skeff. Militant, fascist, holier-than-thou Sony fans who can't shut up about how the "Playstation" is "selling better" and has "superior graphics". Like it even matters. People can't even tell the difference between SD and HD. Unless they're like, sitting like 10 inches away from a 70" screen. It's true cause I have chart, somewhere.
There was an thread last week in which some junior went off on the "Sony Fundamentalists" (and he didn't use that term lightly).
geordiemp
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Man, are you misterX media ?
StarBlazers1
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They will be very similar to code for if they use a middleware or something like Unity. you're right that the ports may be inferior on XB1. The genesis had inferior ports to the SNES, but both thrived. The PS3 had inferior ports to many X360 games. Both thrived. Quit the hyperbole.
Both the PS4 and XB1 will do fine and both are going to have great games. In the US where many of the AAA developers are, the systems are around 400K apart. It's much more competitive here. I realize that this is a narrow view as there are some very fine developers worldwide. It would be crazy to ignore the american market completely and not support both consoles here.
Retailers lost $50 on that price cut, not Microsoft. They got paid the wholesale price.
geordiemp
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Can I have what you are drinking....
SwiftDeath
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Hmm I no longer believe it to be likely that MS was under 4M until the end of March although some of the numbers suggested that
I would really bet Microsoft compensated them for that.
how is it huge when it sold less than a 3rd place 360 which being supply constrained sold more 1.7m in that time (jan-March)
He actually said "Vita Fundamentalists."
lmao
Why would they do that? Send them back to Microsoft if you have to, or let them rot on shelves until Microsoft officially drops the price. There's no scenario where a retailer would willing take a $50 loss on an Xbox One at this time.
TIMtationX
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Over 50% of worldwide 360 sales came from the US, so it's indeed the only country that should matter to MS. Xbox One launching in those other countries isn't going to drastically increase sales.
I see a tight race in the US eventually, but the only way Xbox One catches up worldwide is if Sony suffers a historic collapse of epic proportions.
I see a tight race in the US eventually, but the only way Xbox One catches up worldwide is if Sony suffers a historic collapse of epic proportions.
And from a publicly-traded company. SEC regulations assure they will not "make up numbers" or the fines would be so astronomical they could threaten the company, not to mention the shareholder derivative suits that would follow. People need to stop these silly arguments.
Everything I've read/heard from people is that it was retailer driven. I forget but one big chain did it, then shortly after Amazon cut the price, then the rest of the big retailers had to match it. Thus, market driven not Microsoft driven.
So you were being sarcastic before?
geordiemp
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You just guessing..? ..The fact they all dropped in unison could be market driven but could also be an incentive by MS and they all rolled out within a day or 2.
Disaster Nebraska
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Remember the days when the third-place 360 "won" because it got all dat marketshare in UK and US?
Haven't heard the word "marketshare" since the PS4 and Xbox One launch. Gee, I wonder why?
Imperfected
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If retailers stop making a profit on merchandise, they stop carrying it. They aren't a charity.
The situation you're looking at is that Microsoft's distribution network contacts the retailer and says, "We have [X] additional XB1's for you." The retailer replies, "We haven't sold existing stock. We can't take on that much." At that point they either accept less stock than Microsoft would like to ship them, or they start negotiating an arrangement that they believe will allow them to move their existing stock quickly enough to make room for the shipment size.
And thus a retailer deal is born.
They didn't drop in unison. A Microsoft approved (and paid for) price cut would have been across the board, same day, and in every retailer's Sunday ad.
I'm sorry but this sounds extremely unlikely.
He won't be back in this thread likely.
SwiftDeath
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That's not unrealistic at this point
Dreamcast discontinued because of Sega's finite resources, besides Gamecube and Xbox wasn't real competition either if we're going to throw Dreamcast under the bus like that.
Mass Effect
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Is there a link to that? I want to see it.
do you have inside info, or are you just guessing?
Yes, quite safe IMO.
They would probably have to pay retailers for that. That means that money was coming out of Microsoft's pockets.
Simple: They were trying to get rid of the existing stock.
Coxy got the Sony Jihadist post, here's the Vita evangelist post http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=108885138&postcount=6626
Seems reasonable to me, 7.6m vs. 4.5m would be my guesstimation for LTD today.
The internet is such a crazy place.
All depends on the profit margin of the box. For example: product X is sitting on the shelf, costing $2 a day in inventory costs - estimates and sales data show that product X will sit there for 10 days on average. If a price cut spurs additional sales, frees up shelf space and warehousing costs, it could make up for lost revenue while its just sitting there.
WalMart doesn't get a check from French's every time it rolls back the price on yellow mustard.
Who said PS4 needs to die out? MS just need to get Xb1 ahead in the near future. You realise the gap is like 300k right? Unless you have a crystal ball, suggesting XB1 can't overtake is ridiculous.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=108886041&highlight=#post108886041
Fun starts at Post #6622
360 sold that because it was severely supply constrained over the holidays. Why not combined the sales to get an accurate picture? 3.2m vs 5.1m.
StarBlazers1
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It would usually be considered a "price protection" which Microsoft would credit the difference by deducting the amount off of a future invoice.
MisterXDTV
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Gamecube sold 3-times the Dreamcast in the US, Xbox 4-times. I am not the one that threw the Dreamcast under the bus, Sega did.....
Not that this really matters in the grand scheme of things as Xbox One represents tremendous value at its current price, but someone just told me that the Xbox One Titanfall Bundle is available for only £349 at Tesco for all UK consumers. Not only is this great value, it becomes even better as you can apply for a further 10% off, making it only £314.
I want to make a small comparison here. This is a Titanfall thread so I feel this is on topic. That's £314 for an Xbox One with the only game this year that matters, Titanfall.
If you were to purchase a PS4, it would cost you £349. That's just the console. A console and a controller. Nothing else. I don't even know if they give you a HDMI cable with it (PS3 didn't have it, so I don't think PS4 would have it either). The only notable purchase on that system isn't due for another 6 months and will likely cost you an additional £40. Until then, you have no games to play. You basically have a controller with a pretty blue light. That's fine for all you fanatics who love the colour blue, but not so much for those who maybe don't want blue, and want yellow or pink or orange.
This creates a difference of £75 and 6 months of no games. Not only are we talking money here, but also time. And unless some of you have a time machine, you're not going to get that time back. I don't know what SCE has been smoking (fucking drug addicts that they are), but I think it's clear that they're essentially lying to people with their narrative of presenting a cheap and powerful gaming system. It's also disheartening to see people on GAF are believing the false hype and have been caught, hook, line and sinker.
The fact is that the competitor is outmatching them in the only country that has centuries of legacy and history outside of the US. The Queen's land, Britannia.
£314 for Xbox One with Titanfall. Of course this console is going to sell millions. This success is well represented in this report.
I want to make a small comparison here. This is a Titanfall thread so I feel this is on topic. That's £314 for an Xbox One with the only game this year that matters, Titanfall.
If you were to purchase a PS4, it would cost you £349. That's just the console. A console and a controller. Nothing else. I don't even know if they give you a HDMI cable with it (PS3 didn't have it, so I don't think PS4 would have it either). The only notable purchase on that system isn't due for another 6 months and will likely cost you an additional £40. Until then, you have no games to play. You basically have a controller with a pretty blue light. That's fine for all you fanatics who love the colour blue, but not so much for those who maybe don't want blue, and want yellow or pink or orange.
This creates a difference of £75 and 6 months of no games. Not only are we talking money here, but also time. And unless some of you have a time machine, you're not going to get that time back. I don't know what SCE has been smoking (fucking drug addicts that they are), but I think it's clear that they're essentially lying to people with their narrative of presenting a cheap and powerful gaming system. It's also disheartening to see people on GAF are believing the false hype and have been caught, hook, line and sinker.
The fact is that the competitor is outmatching them in the only country that has centuries of legacy and history outside of the US. The Queen's land, Britannia.
£314 for Xbox One with Titanfall. Of course this console is going to sell millions. This success is well represented in this report.
Uno Venova
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Well you did the Wii as an example when it's not likely the PS4 and the Wii will be in similar end of life situations..
I don't see a turnaround happening in any region personally.