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It's looking like I'll be getting myself a cheap DisKinected Xbone sooner than expected if this keeps up.
Well, this seems like a modest success for MS. So I guess those anonymous investors who allegedly wanted them to "sell" the Xbox division are not going to get their way.
There also appears to be a lot of back and forth in this topic about sales claims made by both companies. I'll just say that I have reasons to doubt the PR claims made by both MS and Sony and I'll leave it at that. There's a lot of serious number fluffing going on at both companies.
This is definitely a marathon and not a sprint.I think E3 2014 is going to have a tremendous impact on the success of both consoles. MS better come out swinging, because they got their asses handed to them last year in the PR battle.
I have serious doubts retailers all dropped the TF bundles to $450 without some rebate by MS
If true, MS ate $50 on every $450 TF bundle sold plus the $20 - $30 for the copy of TF
I see the Sony Jihadist Fundamentalist Mafioso has shown its face again.
So the time between when Sega (a major player in the console market) discountinued their console and Xbox and Gamecube laumched is enough to erase Dreamcast as a competitive force to the Playstation altogether?
Some might be but that would be a mistake
Others are using their best guess which is usually around 4.2M based on sales to this point
Some dit earlier in the thread.
Else, we're extrapolating from the NPD numbers.
I think it's an estimation based on this:
- 3M sold in 2013
- 0.7M sold in 2014 (US)
- 0.9M unsold in 2013
- 0.5M unsold in 2014 (?)
= 3.7M Sold + a small percentage of 1.4M= 4.2M Estimated
LOL, people still thinking that America = The World.
Does anybody know or work in retail on how this works...
Supply chain has gone a long way since the PS1/PS2 days, back then companies had very limited manufacturing capacity. Some countries didn't get the PS2 until 2003/2004 at time for example. Now there are companies like Foxconn that can handle millions of orders quit easily.
Yeah I think 0.5M sold in the other 12 launch countries when the US alone has sold 0.7M for 2014 is not out of the question. 4.2M is probably a pretty good estimate.
So I'll try my hand at estimating XB1 WW LTD based on previously released numbers thus will rely on some terrible assumptions I'm afraid
Xbox One: over 3 million sold to consumers in 2013
XB1 US LTD in 2013 = 909,132 [Nov. NPD] + 908,000 [Dec. NPD] = 1,817,132 units sold
1817/3000 = 0.6057 -> XB1 US sales for 2013 accounted for 60.57% of its WW sales
Thus with the new XB1 US LTD = 2,527,132
2527*(1/.6057) = 4172.26 -> Thus XB1 US LTD suggests XB1 WW LTD of 4,172,260
*Note I strongly feel that the XB1 sold better at launch in the rest of the world than it is currently doing since the last official WW sell-through number was given hence it is likely more than 60.57% of XB1 WW LTD sales are in the US
For instance if that number was now 65% [Less than 4% more than launch ratios], XB1 WW LTD would be 2527*(1/.65) = 3887.69 -> XB1 WW LTD of 3,887,690
What?
I see the Sony Jihadist Fundamentalist Mafioso has shown its face again.
StarBlazers - they aren't all that alike to code for. But unless things seriously change, the One will still get most third party games. But they will for the most part be inferior to their PS4 counterparts.
Retailers lost $50 on that price cut, not Microsoft. They got paid the wholesale price.The five million number is an assumed number that comes from the fact major publishers stated an expectation of 10,000,000 Gen 8 consoles in the hands of consumers by the end of the fiscal year. The follow-on assumption is that Microsoft expected to have at least half of that market share.
There have been no internal memos leaked that I've seen referring to internal expectations for units shipped. Nor should there have been, honestly, since it's almost a foregone conclusion that your units shipped during first quarter of sales will be equivalent to your units manufactured, which should be a comfortably known quality. (Though, impressively, Microsoft seems to have had to stuff channels to even reach a five million shipped number, so from now on I suppose we have to question the ability of console manufacturers to meet their shipment numbers for the first quarter of a console's release, too. Go team!)
There is no scenario where Microsoft is happy with the numbers they are looking at. There is no scenario where investors are happy with the numbers they are looking at. They did not want to have to start offering retail price cuts this early just to get them to take on more stock. They did not want to see a dip in average daily console sales during the month Titanfall released. They do not want to be in the position of looking at either cutting the price and taking a significant loss on hardware or letting it languish and watching the XBL Gold subscription income dry up as PSN absorbs their users.
I have no idea why you are trying to pretend that Microsoft is popping champagne corks and dancing in the streets. I can dip over to Redmond and check, if you like; I'm pretty sure the mood is going to be somewhere between fervent and dour.
I really have no idea why you're linking me to a three-page GAF thread where almost no one even makes a substantiated estimate. Like most of the similar fart-on-the-wind threads from the same period of time, it's basically just a bunch of people making blind ratio guesses based on internet straw polls and Amazon pre-order "data".
The major publishers predicted a ten million install base, and considering they're the ones who have to do cost-benefit assessments on these multi-million dollar projects to determine whether or not they're going to be viable, I'm inclined to think they probably did quite a bit of homework before arriving at that estimate. (An estimate that has turned out to be fairly accurate, I would add.)
Now, they didn't specify ratios, but I'm going to go ahead and make the safe guess that most of them expected at least five million of that ten million to be XB1's. If not, it certainly begs the question of why EA would have gone so deep into their partnership.
Don't pretend you aren't one, Skeff. Militant, fascist, holier-than-thou Sony fans who can't shut up about how the "Playstation" is "selling better" and has "superior graphics". Like it even matters. People can't even tell the difference between SD and HD. Unless they're like, sitting like 10 inches away from a 70" screen. It's true cause I have chart, somewhere.
There was an thread last week in which some junior went off on the "Sony Fundamentalists" (and he didn't use that term lightly).
^wow at the possibility that Xbox One is under 4 million. Not like 4.2 million is much better, but damn.
Retailers lost $50 on that price cut, not Microsoft. They got paid the wholesale price.
Ding ding - winner. Can't believe some people are calling these numbers abysmal. 1.2m after shipped 3.9m last Q is huge.
Don't pretend you aren't one, Skeff. Militant, fascist, holier-than-thou Sony fans who can't shut up about how the "Playstation" is "selling better" and has "superior graphics". Like it even matters. People can't even tell the difference between SD and HD. Unless they're like, sitting like 10 inches away from a 70" screen. It's true cause I have chart, somewhere.
There was an thread last week in which some junior went off on the "Sony Fundamentalists" (and he didn't use that term lightly).
Dat friendly fire.
Retailers lost $50 on that price cut, not Microsoft. They got paid the wholesale price.
This is not "PR." This is a financial release.
Everything I've read/heard from people is that it was retailer driven. I forget but one big chain did it, then shortly after Amazon cut the price, then the rest of the big retailers had to match it. Thus, market driven not Microsoft driven.I would really bet Microsoft compensated them for that.
Don't pretend you aren't one, Skeff. Militant, fascist, holier-than-thou Sony fans who can't shut up about how the "Playstation" is "selling better" and has "superior graphics". Like it even matters. People can't even tell the difference between SD and HD. Unless they're like, sitting like 10 inches away from a 70" screen. It's true cause I have chart, somewhere.
There was an thread last week in which some junior went off on the "Sony Fundamentalists" (and he didn't use that term lightly).
Everything I've read/heard from people is that it was retailer driven. I forget but one big chain did it, then shortly after Amazon cut the price, then the rest of the big retailers had to match it. Thus, market driven not Microsoft driven.
Remember the days when the third-place 360 "won" because it got all dat marketshare in UK and US?I like how Xbox One is supposedly struggling when people are counting places that hardly even register as legitimate countries. What's the LTD for PS4 and Xbox One in the US? A few hundred thousand units difference, that's all. That's quite competitive, no? Xbox is still in the game in the only place that matters.
Retailers lost $50 on that price cut, not Microsoft. They got paid the wholesale price.
So you were being sarcastic before?
He actually said "Vita Fundamentalists."
They didn't drop in unison. A Microsoft approved (and paid for) price cut would have been across the board, same day, and in every retailer's Sunday ad.You just guessing..? ..The fact they all dropped in unison could be market driven but could also be an incentive by MS and they all rolled out within a day or 2.
Everything I've read/heard from people is that it was retailer driven. I forget but one big chain did it, then shortly after Amazon cut the price, then the rest of the big retailers had to match it. Thus, market driven not Microsoft driven.
Sorry, you don't get off that easy here. Either back up what you are posting or face consequences.
With that said, I'd love to know what legitimate reasons you have to doubt the numbers by MS and/or Sony.
So, adding the extra weeks since Sony's announcement and the NPD results, is it safe to say that Sony has an approximate 3 million unit sold to consumers worldwide lead on MS at the moment?
Dude, Dreamcast was a failure otherwise it wouldn't have been discontinued in March 2001, so no it wasn't a real competitor for Sony in that situation, especially in 2001
Don't pretend you aren't one, Skeff. Militant, fascist, holier-than-thou Sony fans who can't shut up about how the "Playstation" is "selling better" and has "superior graphics". Like it even matters. People can't even tell the difference between SD and HD. Unless they're like, sitting like 10 inches away from a 70" screen. It's true cause I have chart, somewhere.
There was an thread last week in which some junior went off on the "Sony Fundamentalists" (and he didn't use that term lightly).
Don't pretend you aren't one, Skeff. Militant, fascist, holier-than-thou Sony fans who can't shut up about how the "Playstation" is "selling better" and has "superior graphics". Like it even matters. People can't even tell the difference between SD and HD. Unless they're like, sitting like 10 inches away from a 70" screen. It's true cause I have chart, somewhere.
There was an thread last week in which some junior went off on the "Sony Fundamentalists" (and he didn't use that term lightly).
They didn't drop in unison. A Microsoft approved (and paid for) price cut would have been across the board, same day, and in every retailer's Sunday ad.
So, adding the extra weeks since Sony's announcement and the NPD results, is it safe to say that Sony has an approximate 3 million unit sold to consumers worldwide lead on MS at the moment?
I would really bet Microsoft compensated them for that.
Why would they do that? Send them back to Microsoft if you have to, or let them rot on shelves until Microsoft officially drops the price. There's no scenario where a retailer would willing take a $50 loss on an Xbox One at this time.
Is there a link to that? I want to see it.
That's not unrealistic at this point
Coxy got the Sony Jihadist post, here's the Vita evangelist post http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=108885138&postcount=6626
All depends on the profit margin of the box. For example: product X is sitting on the shelf, costing $2 a day in inventory costs - estimates and sales data show that product X will sit there for 10 days on average. If a price cut spurs additional sales, frees up shelf space and warehousing costs, it could make up for lost revenue while its just sitting there.If retailers stop making a profit on merchandise, they stop carrying it. They aren't a charity.
The situation you're looking at is that Microsoft's distribution network contacts the retailer and says, "We have [X] additional XB1's for you." The retailer replies, "We haven't sold existing stock. We can't take on that much." At that point they either accept less stock than Microsoft would like to ship them, or they start negotiating an arrangement that they believe will allow them to move their existing stock quickly enough to make room for the shipment size.
And thus a retailer deal is born.
The Wii died out completely. Are you seriously telling me that you expect the PS4 to just die and stop selling in three years time?
These are pretty terrible sales all around, comparing them to the 360 is absurd since that was actually in demand and supply constrained. I take it MS won't be able to say that soon as the X1 starts tracking way behind the 360
Is there a link to that? I want to see it.
how is it huge when it sold less than a 3rd place 360 which being supply constrained sold more 1.7m in that time (jan-March)
They would probably have to pay retailers for that. That means that they were probably still losing money off of each one that was sold for $450.
Dreamcast discontinued because of Sega's finite resources, besides Gamecube and Xbox wasn't real competition either if we're going to throw Dreamcast under the bus like that.
Well you did the Wii as an example when it's not likely the PS4 and the Wii will be in similar end of life situations..Who said PS4 needs to die out? MS just need to get Xb1 ahead in the near future. You realise the gap is like 300k right? Unless you have a crystal ball, suggesting XB1 can't overtake is ridiculous.