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[Brakke]

What the fuck at "well let's just use firing squads".

 

[Shard]

These men were monsters. Don't know how any of you feel sorry for them. Nonetheless, I do think people on death row should be able to choose how they're executed.

That doesn't mean that Oklahoma can just go and violate the 8th amendment as it sees fit.

 

[TheSeks]

Drug manufactures don't want their drugs used to kill people, state uses secret untested mixtures. It doesn't work.

This article is from this morning

http://m.motherjones.com/mojo/2014/...ht-ok-using-secret-experimental-drug-protocol

Wait, wait, wait...

Drug Manufacturers do not want the older cocktail of chemicals to be used? What has changed their mind from allowing it?

No, this is one of the various reasons why the State should not be in the business of executing individuals.

I wouldn't go that far. But there is of lot of probability that some people on death row are innocent. DNA testing exoneration and all that.

The problem is, you don't have enough evidence or some evidence can be tainted/misleading to where people put on Death Row isn't a "sure thing."

 

[Javaman]

Sounds to me like less of a drug problem, more so that they botched the needle insertion.

 

[entremet]

It's not about being sorry for them.

We can be better as a society.

It's not about feeling sorry. We should be better than they are as a society or we're just as monstrous.

Damn, psychic link with me lol.

 

[Delta Assault]

Always makes me wonder why they don't just use the "Car running in a closed garage" suicide method. It seems to work really well and the person in the car just peacefully drifts off to sleep before dying.

 

[TAJ]

What the fuck at "well let's just use firing squads".

A firing squad isn't going to take 40 minutes... unless they just shoot the prisoner once and then bury him alive like this guy did.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

#tcot

#Romans12:19

Spoiler

I'm not christian but most of the people calling for it are

Always makes me wonder why they don't just use the "Car running in a closed garage" suicide method. It seems to work really well and the person in the car just peacefully drifts off to sleep before dying.

Because we have an 8th amendment

 

[benjipwns]

What the fuck.

That's pretty common practice for a lot of what's done in the war on drugs. It's not illegal when the state does it.

 

[speculawyer]

I would prefer a firing squad.

Set one up in your garage.

 

[Stet]

Wait, wait, wait...

Drug Manufacturers do not want the older cocktail of chemicals to be used? What has changed their mind from allowing it?

Apparently, from info from another poster, the US manufacturer stopped making it for business reasons and the only other manufacturers are in Europe and they oppose the death penalty.

 

[Agnostic]

What the fuck at "well let's just use firing squads".

Bring back the crucifixion!

 

[JCizzle]

It's not about feeling sorry. We should be better than they are as a society or we're just as monstrous.

It's a tough question. I want to say I agree with you, but I also picture myself as the brother/husband of this woman who was shot and buried alive. I don't know if someone who commits such a heinous crime deserves the chance at rehabilitation. I honestly don't. I'm glad I'm not in a position to decide.

 

[GutsOfThor]

Hes dead right? Sounds like a successful execution to me.

Punishment fit the crime, so glad justice was served.

Next up.

I agree.

Fuck this subhuman piece of shit.

 

[CrankyJay]

Always makes me wonder why they don't just use the "Car running in a closed garage" suicide method. It seems to work really well and the person in the car just peacefully drifts off to sleep before dying.

At least let them pop in a cd of their choice while going this route. I'd be drifting off to Dark Side of the Moon.

 

[GaimeGuy]

Hes dead right? Sounds like a successful execution to me.

Punishment fit the crime, so glad justice was served.

Next up.

I agree.

Fuck this subhuman piece of shit.

Hope the three of you realize that the state just tortured one of your neighbors to death under the guise of "justice" and the man maintained his innocence on his death bed.

But hey, it's not you, and it's not anyone you know, so no lost sleep over it, right?

 

[frankie_baby]

Punishment fit the crime, so glad justice was served.

Next up.

It's America there could be a very reasonable the guy was innocent

 

[CountAntonius]

Punishment fit the crime, so glad justice was served.

Next up.

 

[E92 M3]

It's not about being sorry for them.

We can be better as a society.

I've lost faith in most of society. There are good people, but not many. No matter how intelligent and advance we get, humans will always be prone to greed, lust, and violence. It's sad to say, but remove the presence of authority and chaos will break out eventually. Entropy is the natural form of life. If humans didn't exist the planet would be in a much better condition.

 

[styl3s]

Always makes me wonder why they don't just use the "Car running in a closed garage" suicide method. It seems to work really well and the person in the car just peacefully drifts off to sleep before dying.

Couldn't they do the same thing with general anesthesia by overdosing them or with morphine?

Hope the three of you realize that the state just tortured one of your neighbors to death under the guise of "justice" and the man maintained his innocence on his death bed.

But hey, it's not you, and it's not anyone you know, so no lost sleep over it, right?

You think this piece of shit cunt lost sleep over what he did? Lost sleep thinking about what family/friends had to deal with?

 

[Delta Assault]

#Romans12:19

Spoiler

I'm not christian but most of the people calling for it are

Because we have an 8th amendment

...How is it cruel and unusual punishment to have a person peacefully fall asleep before dying of fumes?

 

[TheSeks]

Always makes me wonder why they don't just use the "Car running in a closed garage" suicide method. It seems to work really well and the person in the car just peacefully drifts off to sleep before dying.

Because that takes too long. You have to rig a car to carbon monoxide back up/screw around with the tailpipe and then rig the person in to stay there four 2-5 hours inhailing monoxide.

Apparently, from info from another poster, the US manufacturer stopped making it for business reasons and the only other manufacturers are in Europe and they oppose the death penalty.

I guess the question then would be: Why doesn't Oklahoma go back to the electric chair. But that's pretty damn barbaric and lethal injection is slightly less barbaric so I can understand why they don't.

Still, interesting that the US manufacturer stopped making it and Europe opposes it while making it.

 

[inky]

First World Country.

 

[CrankyJay]

Set one up in your garage.

So clever, cross posting threads I see.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

I wouldn't go that far. But there is of lot of probability that some people on death row are innocent. DNA testing exoneration and all that.

I would. I'm against capital punishment, the means of the punishment and the problems that can occur while carrying out that punishment are just one of the reasons why I'm against it.

 

[benjipwns]

It's sad to say, but remove the presence of authority and chaos will break out eventually.

What do you call the regular torture and murder of people? Order?

 

[NYCmetsfan]

...How is it cruel and unusual punishment to have a person peacefully fall asleep before dying of fumes?

Answered your own question

 

[TheUsual]

Seriously, how long before they bring back hangings or firing squads?

 

[E92 M3]

That doesn't mean that Oklahoma can just go and violate the 8th amendment as it sees fit.

So they made a boo-boo that resulted in some karmic retribution.

What do you call the regular torture and murder of people? Order?

I'm not sure what you're trying to get at...all I was saying is that people are not naturally orderly and violence is a natural inclination that is subdued by the fears of law and social order. I am not condoning or saying torture is okay.

 

[Konka]

Tortured and executed by my own government. First world problems.

 

[legacyzero]

Hes dead right? Sounds like a successful execution to me.

Punishment fit the crime, so glad justice was served.

Next up.

Wow.

 

[CrankyJay]

Answered your own question

I'm pretty sure this can be modified so it's odorless.

 

[bigmf]

Veterinarians can put a horse down humanely. This isn't something that should get so screwed up. I don't know how the State of Oklahoma could screw it up so badly. If they can't do it properly, they should use anaesthesia to put the person to sleep, then use a guillotine.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

...How is it cruel and unusual punishment to have a person peacefully fall asleep before dying of fumes?

This just in: Not everyone reacts the same way to Carbon-monoxide poisoning.

 

[empty vessel]

Apparently, from info from another poster, the US manufacturer stopped making it for business reasons and the only other manufacturers are in Europe and they oppose the death penalty.

Yes, and also drug manufacturers don't really want their products associated with something that kills people, whether or not they support the death penalty. They are selling a product for therapeutic purposes and so its association with death isn't exactly good for business.

 

[ronito]

Come on executioner, you had ONE job!

 

[Delta Assault]

Answered your own question

Really don't see what's cruel and unusual about fumes. I mean, comparing inhaling fumes and getting injected with poison into your veins... both seem about the same to me. *shrug*

 

[frankie_baby]

Also why the Fuck did they close the blinds, if someone is sick enough to go watch someone be murdered show them the whole disgusting thing

 

[NYCmetsfan]

Seriously, how long before they bring back hangings or firing squads?

Conservatives are debating it right now on twitter. Not joking BTW

I'm pretty sure this can be modified so it's odorless.

Really don't see what's cruel and unusual about fumes. I mean, comparing inhaling fumes and getting injected with poison into your veins... both seem about the same to me. *shrug*

I'm pretty sure killing someone is cruel and unusual in and of itself, but you know *shrug*

 

[Konka]

Also why the Fuck did they close the blinds, if someone is sick enough to go watch someone be murdered show them the whole disgusting thing

Well members of the press are sent there and it's not like they have a choice.

 

[entremet]

Conservatives on twitter are gloating about this talking about bringing back the guillotine, firing squads, and hangings

For a party with such a big Christian contingent, I never understood the cruel bloodlust here.

 

[benjipwns]

I'm not sure what you're trying to get at...all I was saying is that people are not naturally orderly and violence is a natural inclination that is subdued by the fears of law and social order. I am not condoning or saying torture is okay.

What backs the "fear"? What was the end goal here even if things had worked and gone "properly"?

 

[Brakke]

A firing squad isn't going to take 40 minutes... unless they just shoot the prisoner once and then bury him alive like this guy did.

Very many people get shot and survive. Some get shot like a lot of times.

 

[RoKKeR]

In response, several states have passed secrecy laws, allowing them to keep the names of their suppliers, and in some cases the contents of the lethal injection, under wraps. (Oklahoma is so eager to hide the source of its death drugs that it buys them with petty cash so there are no transaction records.)

What the fuck? This is shady as shit, to hell with this practice.

I constantly go back and forth on the death penalty but fucking hell, if you're going to do it be humane about it.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

Veterinarians can put a horse down humanely. This isn't something that should get so screwed up. I don't know how the State of Oklahoma could screw it up so badly. If they can't do it properly, they should use anaesthesia to put the person to sleep, then use a guillotine.

Really tell me more. Just because you can do something humanely, does mean it will happen like that every time. You act as if this is somehow exact science, it isn't. Each individual person reacts differently to drugs, there is no doubting this fact of biology. If it wasn't the case then you wouldn't have any problems with anesthesia, guess what the medical community does on a daily basis.

 

[TheSeks]

I'm pretty sure this can be modified so it's odorless.

...Do you not know what Carbon-Monoxide is?

Spoiler

IT ALREADY IS ODORLESS.

Really don't see what's cruel and unusual about fumes. I mean, comparing inhaling fumes and getting injected with poison into your veins... both seem about the same to me. *shrug*

Once again: TAKES TOO LONG. Meanwhile the Lethal Injection chemicals travel the blood-stream to the heart and stop it faster. It's "more humane" in the sense that it's quicker/over faster than carbon monoxide build-up.

 

[CrankyJay]

What the fuck? This is shady as shit, to hell with this practice.

I constantly go back and forth on the death penalty but fucking hell, if you're going to do it be humane about it.

There's so many more reasons it's not a very good idea. It really should be abolished.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

For a party with such a big Christian contingent, I never understood the cruel bloodlust here.

I wonder what Jesus would think...

 

[E92 M3]

What backs the "fear"? What was the end goal here even if things had worked and gone "properly"?

My theory for death row is that it's a legal form of revenge for the families affected by the crimes.

 

[CrankyJay]

...Do you not know what Carbon-Monoxide is?

Spoiler

IT ALREADY IS ODORLESS.

Once again: TAKES TOO LONG. Meanwhile the Lethal Injection chemicals travel the blood-stream to the heart and stop it faster. It's "more humane" in the sense that it's quicker/over faster than carbon monoxide build-up.

I'm talking about literal car exhaust.