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[213372bu]

they would be perfectly justified in going back to their DRM...its their console they can do whatever they want with it...i wouldnt purchase it, but they are free to do whatever they want with their product...

That's exactly what I'm saying.

for the millionth time...this game "went back to the drawing board" and was delayed for A YEAR!...things change, content is added, removed, changed completely...the games director was changed...

the fact that this game is still coming out is a miracle...

I could care less if the budget increased
I could care less if the time increased.
I could care less if they added content.
I'm the consumer and they should be expected to make the thing they promised, that I want, and not pull out because of arbitrary reasons. It's fine if others want it, I'm just might not buy it because it goes against what I believed the product was due to their manipulative wording.

Further clarification would really help.

 

[orochi91]

They release full games free on PS+ all the time.

Lol not along side the newly released retail copy.

 

[Bunta]

They release full games free on PS+ all the time.

Except they aren't there day one. Not even close.

 

[Goon Boon]

You obviously haven't been married. Wedding gifts aren't free either.

Are you paying some sort of friend subscription fee specifically for him to give you birthday/wedding gifts?

 

[Zoned]

It's free content. I'm going to download it, probably play it, and if I like it, I'll buy the full version.

I'm happy with what they announced since they never had to give anybody anything in the first place. This thread is just... insane.

Actually they had to considering that we are actually paying for this service.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

BUT IT'S ONLY $5 THATS PRETTY MUCH FREE. Waittttttttt...





Hrm





HRM.

Are you trying to downplay the value of Plus? For all this stuff about how paying for the service isn't really free, what about the savings and other great features on top of the FREE GAMES with a paid subscription?

What does this tell you

Guess how much money I saved extra for being a Plus member on these purchases alone? Around 100 dollars.

If you are going to arbitrarily try to paint or portray Plus in a negative slant or try to devalue the benefits of Plus not only with free games but heavy discounts then you will lose this argument all the time. If you are going to move the goal posts to artificially prop up your points then I will come back with more facts and less figurative assumptions to prop up my point.

That's exactly what I'm saying.



I could care less if the budget increased
I could care less if the time increased.
I could care less if they added content.
I'm the consumer and they should be expected to make the thing they promised, that I want, and not pull out because of arbitrary reasons. It's fine if others want it, I'm just might not buy it because it goes against what I believed the product was due to their manipulative wording.

Further clarification would really help.

Yes it would but it's not going to mean one iota in what makes me buy or not buy this.

 

[Fornaximus]

I'm not a fan of the idea of using our monthly PS4 slot for the instant game collection on a demo.

 

[PirateKing]

It's free content. I'm going to download it, probably play it, and if I like it, I'll buy the full version.

I'm happy with what they announced since they never had to give anybody anything in the first place. This thread is just... insane.

Pretty much how I feel. I'll grab the full game later on when it comes out if I enjoyed it. Hopefully it plays more like PGR than GT or Forza.

In this thread you're either overreacting, or defending it to death. You can't sit in between. I'm just going to leave you guys alone until the steam is out.

P.S I love PS+. Hopefully it doesn't decline for PS4.

 

[travisbickle]

Is worth what ppl feels is worth. I applaud at every moment consumers stand when they are being lied or mislead.

No one is being lied to they have always stated there will be less cars and less tracks.

The only misleading part is everyone's personal opinion of what less/fewer/ few amounts to.

We even have people calling 5 tracks 10 cars "a few", so I guess they expected the PS+ version to have 20 tracks and 40 cars assuming the full version had 25 tracks 50 cars.

 

[SZips]

Actually they had to considering that we are actually paying for this service.

I can't honestly tell if you're being serious or not.

 

[Zoned]

I'm not a fan of the idea of using our monthly PS4 slot for the instant game collection on a demo.

Yes this is what is bothering me.

 

[213372bu]

This makes you come off as rather irrational since realistically speaking those can be
crucial occurrences in any game's development.

Though I agree, for the sake of some posters (such as yourself), Evolution should
clarify.

Some of my favorite games have seen "game development hell", such as Half-Life,L.A. Noire, and Fallout 3. I still expect them to keep what they say to the consumers they are reaching out to

 

[daman824]

You obviously haven't been married. Wedding gifts aren't free either.

Then refer to my first post. If my friend comes to me with a "finanical difficulties excuse", I'd understand. But when a multi-million dollar company does it? They can shove it.

Am I supposed to go "it's ok Sony, I forgive you. Good luck getting back on your feet. Thanks for trying."?

 

[Orca]

Lol not along side the newly released retail copy.

To be fair they've never promised to do that before either. This time they promised a version with a few missing cars and tracks, that you could earn a plat in.

 

[recklesscognition]

can you show me where evolution promised more?

They said I'd be able to platinum the game with the PS+ version. If I can do that, I'm fine, if not, I'll be raising a stink.

 

[Synth]

It's like my friend said he was going to buy me a 3DS for a wedding gift. Then once the wedding came around, he got me a PS3 game instead, citing financial difficulties. So I threw it in his face.

BECAUSE FUCK YOU, I RESERVE THE RIGHT TO COMPLAIN ABOUT SHIT THAT I ARGUABLY PAID FOR.

This makes no sense. When were you paying him for the gift? Doesn't it stop being a gift in that case?

Also, a DS would be a better example, as it a subset of the 3DS' functionality.

 

[evolution]

That's exactly what I'm saying.



I could care less if the budget increased
I could care less if the time increased.
I could care less if they added content.
I'm the consumer and they should be expected to make the thing they promised, that I want, and not pull out because of arbitrary reasons. It's fine if others want it, I'm just might not buy it because it goes against what I believed the product was due to their manipulative wording.

Further clarification would really help.

What do they need to clarify exactly?

 

[Metfanant]

That's exactly what I'm saying.



I could care less if the budget increased
I could care less if the time increased.
I could care less if they added content.
I'm the consumer and they should be expected to make the thing they promised, that I want, and not pull out because of arbitrary reasons. It's fine if others want it, I'm just might not buy it because it goes against what I believed the product was due to their manipulative wording.

Further clarification would really help.

THEY didnt promise anything...you assumed based on a GAF post from one of their employees...lol

I'm not a fan of the idea of using our monthly PS4 slot for the instant game collection on a demo.

they gave us 2 games at launch...Driveclub was supposed to be the second game with Resogun...why couldnt they do it again?

 

[Metfanant]

They said I'd be able to platinum the game with the PS+ version. If I can do that, I'm fine, if not, I'll be raising a stink.

no, one of their employees mentioned that in one line of a single GAF post 6 months ago about a game that got delayed for a year....

THEY (evolution) didnt say anything about it...

 

[LiquidMetal14]

They said I'd be able to platinum the game with the PS+ version. If I can do that, I'm fine, if not, I'll be raising a stink.

Over trophies? I promise is a promise but if promised trophies on the lite version of the game is the bad news then I will take it. I just want to play and make up my mind on whether or not I want to buy this. Trophies have little to do with my enjoyment of the game and I hope it really doesn't come down to such an odd reason to not enjoy or buy into a game.

Which is why I'm saying I would really just like some clarification and explanation lol. I still really want to purchase Drive Club, but at this point in time, it is sort of inhibiting me from wanting to buy it, at full price in retail, at the very least.

Explanation or not, the game will speak more than forums. They've said a lot and after everyone here settles down I think they can even admit that this is not even an issue in the grand scheme of this games release. Me getting to try this free version is enough for me and that's not even guaranteeing a sale.

 

[213372bu]

Yes it would but it's not going to mean one iota in what makes me buy or not buy this.

Which is why I'm saying I would really just like some clarification and explanation lol. I still really want to purchase Drive Club, but at this point in time, it is sort of inhibiting me from wanting to buy it, at full price in retail, at the very least.

 

[Goon Boon]

Are you trying to downplay the value of Plus? For all this stuff about how paying for the service isn't really free, what about the savings and other great features on top of the FREE GAMES with a paid subscription?

What does this tell you

Guess how much money I saved extra for being a Plus member on these purchases alone? Around 100 dollars.

If you are going to arbitrarily try to paint or portray Plus in a negative slant or try to devalue the benefits of Plus not only with free games but heavy discounts then you will lose this argument all the time. If you are going to move the goal posts to artificially prop up your points then I will come back with more facts and less figurative assumptions to prop up my point.

Except I'm not saying something as stupid as "you got all those discounts for free". If you want to say it's complimentary, it's fine, but don't outright lie saying you got games for free unless you somehow get a free PS+ membership.

PS+ is a wonderful service, and the fact that you're trying to say they should give up a game slot for a demo just because it's a great service is incredibly ignorant.

You're the one artificially propping up your points and moving goalposts. I'm not even sure what you were replying to, since it clearly wasn't anything in my post.

 

[Zoned]

THEY didnt promise anything...you assumed based on a GAF post from one of their employees...lol

BAN THAT EMPLOYEE

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

Are you trying to downplay the value of Plus? For all this stuff about how paying for the service isn't really free, what about the savings and other great features on top of the FREE GAMES with a paid subscription?

What does this tell you

Guess how much money I saved extra for being a Plus member on these purchases alone? Around 100 dollars.

If you are going to arbitrarily try to paint or portray Plus in a negative slant or try to devalue the benefits of Plus not only with free games but heavy discounts then you will lose this argument all the time. If you are going to move the goal posts to artificially prop up your points then I will come back with more facts and less figurative assumptions to prop up my point.



Yes it would but it's not going to mean one iota in what makes me buy or not buy this.

I don't think he's trying to paint PS+ in a negative way, just stating the obvious. IS NOT FREE, you're paying money for it, the fact the deal is so good that makes it almost free dosn't mean is free (there's also the thing you don't really own the games).

No one is saying PS+ is not great, but is not like you're getting games for free either.

 

[Metfanant]

Over trophies? I promise is a promise but if promised trophies on the lite version of the game is the bad news then I will take it. I just want to play and make up my mind on whether or not I want to buy this. Trophies have little to do with my enjoyment of the game and I hope it really doesn't come down to such an odd reason to not enjoy or buy into a game.

this is going back to those, butthurt because they assumed they would be able to save themselves $60....

 

[Mifune]

This makes no sense. When were you paying him for the gift? Doesn't it stop being a gift in that case?

Also, a DS would be a better example, as it a subset of the 3DS' functionality.

Arguably paying for it. Because people don't usually give gifts unless they are attending the wedding -- and guess what, they ain't paying for the wedding.

 

[daman824]

No one is being lied to they have always stated there will be less cars and less tracks.

The only misleading part is everyone's personal opinion of what less/fewer/ few amounts to.

We even have people calling 5 tracks 10 cars "a few", so I guess they expected the PS+ version to have 20 tracks and 40 cars assuming the full version had 25 tracks 50 cars.

Come the fuck on. You are being purposfully dense. I'll reiterate and post a slightly modified example that was in the post you originally ignored.

If I give you 50 dollars and tell you I'm going to take a few away, you wouldn't expect me to take 45 dollars. That's stupid.

 

[Zoned]

no, one of their employees mentioned that in one line of a single GAF post 6 months ago about a game that got delayed for a year....

THEY (evolution) didnt say anything about it...

Don't spew false information. I already quoted a major gaming outlet that contacted Evolution, and their senior designer said the same thing as to what GAF member said.

 

[Metfanant]

Don't spew false information. I already quoted a major gaming outlet that contacted Evolution, and their senior designer said the same thing as to what GAF member said.

and nothing they said was a lie...

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

No one is being lied to they have always stated there will be less cars and less tracks.

The only misleading part is everyone's personal opinion of what less/fewer/ few amounts to.

We even have people calling 5 tracks 10 cars "a few", so I guess they expected the PS+ version to have 20 tracks and 40 cars assuming the full version had 25 tracks 50 cars.

There's no personal opinion here, the significance of "few" is very clear. The post pointed clearly that a significant part of the game would be avaliable, even with the "added content" theory it dosn't add, because the game already have 5 different locations slated for the original release.

 

[Juzie]

they gave us 2 games at launch...Driveclub was supposed to be the second game with Resogun...why couldnt they do it again?

Because people like you let them tell you what you get. So they'll tell you just the demo... and when October rolls around I expect to see the same faces (yours included) defending that as you defend this because some of you just don't know how to stand up for yourselves and realize a company can actually be in the wrong.

 

[Synth]

It seems similar to Killer Instinct on the Bone, but with slightly more content.
Don't like this sort of stuff at all, labeling a game free, when it clearly isn't so.

Luckily I couldn't care less about Drive Club.

Killer Instinct offers far more content for free. You can only select one of the eight characters at any time, however it rotates between them regularly.. allowing you to eventually play as every character.

More importantly though, Killer Instinct always allows you to fight against any character. There's no inability to complete the Arcade mode, there's no being unable to play against friends because they have more content than you. When new characters are added (Spinal/Fulgore) you can immediately fight against them too.

The ideas between Killer Instinct and Driveclub are similar, but Killer Instinct is a far more generous offering.

 

[orochi91]

BAN THAT EMPLOYEE

Contact a mod if that's how you feel. They will look into banning him.

 

[213372bu]

What do they need to clarify exactly?

Why exactly the "full experience" of Drive Club with "a few cars and tracks" being scaled down has been demoted to having the "full experience" of 20% of the game.

THEY dint promise anything...you assumed based on a GAF post from one of their employees...lol

Which is my point. They didn't promise anything "technically" but heavily implied that by having that "full experience" with a "few cars and tracks excluded" at the very least 40-50% of the content in the full game. That use of manipulation is why I'm iffy on my purchase of Drive Club.

I'm choosing to "technically" rethink my decision of Drive Club if it means supporting future PS+ endeavors that "provide the full experience" of a small chunk of the game.

You can't tell me if Drive Club sells well that more and more companies are going to hop on board with this idea, while at the same time taking out chunks of spots on PS+ that normally filled great games that have led me to purchasing and finding new franchises that I love today.

 

[Juzie]

No one is being lied to they have always stated there will be less cars and less tracks.

The only misleading part is everyone's personal opinion of what less/fewer/ few amounts to.

We even have people calling 5 tracks 10 cars "a few", so I guess they expected the PS+ version to have 20 tracks and 40 cars assuming the full version had 25 tracks 50 cars.

A few means an insignificant amount.

80% is not an insignificant amount.

There is NO misinterpretation here.

 

[recklesscognition]

Over trophies? I promise is a promise but if promised trophies on the lite version of the game is the bad news then I will take it. I just want to play and make up my mind on whether or not I want to buy this. Trophies have little to do with my enjoyment of the game and I hope it really doesn't come down to such an odd reason to not enjoy or buy into a game.



Explanation or not, the game will speak more than forums. They've said a lot and after everyone here settles down I think they can even admit that this is not even an issue in the grand scheme of this games release. Me getting to try this free version is enough for me and that's not even guaranteeing a sale.

Play and decide is a demo. This better not be the PS+ game of the month then.

 

[Zoned]

and nothing they said was a lie...

Do you even understand what you write?

 

[LiquidMetal14]

Except I'm not saying something as stupid as "you got all those discounts for free". If you want to say it's complimentary, it's fine, but don't outright lie saying you got games for free unless you somehow get a free PS+ membership.

PS+ is a wonderful service, and the fact that you're trying to say they should give up a game slot for a demo just because it's a great service is incredibly ignorant.

You're the one artificially propping up your points and moving goalposts. I'm not even sure what you were replying to, since it clearly wasn't anything in my post.

Unfortunately your point got bundled in with my other response. Upon reading it further I definitely misquoted you but as active as I've been in this discussion I've already had to re-edit some posts I've made twice on accident and accidentally quoted but I managed to fix those before they would be in question.

I don't think he's trying to paint PS+ in a negative way, just stating the obvious. IS NOT FREE, you're paying money for it, the fact the deal is so good that makes it almost free dosn't mean is free (there's also the thing you don't really own the games).

No one is seeing PS+ is not great, but is not like you're getting games for free either.

Now that you've somehow put me in my place (sarcasm), free or not the benefits and whole of the package is what makes Plus ultimately worth it. And to be clear, it wasn't like that for me and my close friends. We bought in and stopped and came back once they got it right. And to be honest, this isn't really meant to be a dig but the tone of this thread has really put me off and frustrated me as some are just not being as rational but at least you bring some maturity so I commend you for that.

Play and decide is a demo. This better not be the PS+ game of the month then.

If it is then it is. I don't think it will be the end of the world unless some are already trying to line up some kind of false disappointment over this being the big Plus release for PS4 that month. For me and many others, Plus has already paid off so having this as the October Plus offering isn't the worse thing of all time. By as I said before, God help those like yourself if there's not only this but an actual free indie game that month.

One thing people are forgetting, this was supposed to be our free Plus offering at launch. Why did people not have an issue with that then but now it's all of a sudden an issue? I will answer that, moving goal posts.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

Lackluster as free ps+ game tbh

 

[NullPointer]

No one is being lied to they have always stated there will be less cars and less tracks.

The only misleading part is everyone's personal opinion of what less/fewer/ few amounts to.

We even have people calling 5 tracks 10 cars "a few", so I guess they expected the PS+ version to have 20 tracks and 40 cars assuming the full version had 25 tracks 50 cars.

Read this and tell me what your personal takeaway is:

Again, I don't think anybody can blame these expectations upon the fever-dreams of gamers. Look at the articles that came out back when this version was first being revealed:

DriveClub PS Plus Edition has less content than retail version
But only to make download quicker, claims Evolution.

Outside of whatever you might think of the offering being talked about today, that was one hell of an impression to feed people about the PS+ version.

 

[Metfanant]

Because people like you let them tell you what you get. So they'll tell you just the demo... and when October rolls around I expect to see the same faces (yours included) defending that as you defend this because some of you just don't know how to stand up for yourselves and realize a company can actually be in the wrong.

they could skip a whole month of content and i wouldnt get pissed...not because Sony is perfect...i dont owe Sony anything...i dont give a crap about Sony...they could go bankrupt tomorrow for all i care...i dont lose anything...

but what i do realize is that PS+ offers way more value than Driveclub...and i also realize that things change over the course of a year and that i cant expect everything to always be delivered...its just not possible...

i paid for PS+ beginning with the day it launched because i recognized its value as a service...i also paid for XBL because it gave me countless hours of multiplayer fun with my friends on the 360 but had much less content value than PS+ ever has...

i dont feel the need to stand up for myself because in a case like this...nobody is doing anything wrong...

 

[daman824]

Seriously though. I know I already said it. But if this is the free ps4 game for october, I'm gonna be pissed. It will set a bad precedent.

 

[213372bu]

Play and decide is a demo. This better not be the PS+ game of the month then.

Lackluster as free ps+ game tbh

Seriously though. I know I already said it. But if this is the free ps4 game for october, I'm gonna be pissed. It will set a bad precedent.

Which is why I'm up in the air on the purchase of the game.

If sales were to skyrocket, companies may be inclined to think that this type of model is great for getting their games out there.

Meanwhile, more and more companies would offer this "full experience" of a small portion of the game, while taking up spots that used to go to wonderful games and open people up to new franchises and genres they normally otherwise wouldn't go to.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

Seriously though. I know I already said it. But if this is the free ps4 game for october, I'm gonna be pissed. It will set a bad precedent.

They do nothing but offer free stuff and amazing discounts though. Because of this and how hot the subject of DC is you would think it's a bad precedent? That is hyperbole to the point.

Which is why I'm up in the air on the purchase of the game.

If sales were to skyrocket, companies may be inclined to think that this type of model is great for getting their games out there.

Meanwhile, more and more companies would offer this "full experience" of a small portion of the game, while taking up spots that used to go to wonderful games and open people up to new franchises and genres they normally otherwise wouldn't go to.

This isn't some common thing Sony is doing and if you remember, this was the promised Plus game for launch. To somehow be outraged now when it was supposed to be the launch freebie is really not looking at the whole picture and you have allowed your expectations to be tempered negatively. Of course we've already gone through the points but that is one known fact that people need to realize before raging over that fact. It wasn't a problem then and so why is it now a problem? Sony has delivered on Plus with not only the free games but the deep discounts so this would hardly be a black mark on them.

 

[Nafai1123]

I'm not a fan of the idea of using our monthly PS4 slot for the instant game collection on a demo.

That assumes we aren't getting anything else that month.

I see this thread has gone basically nowhere today.

 

[Papercuts]

Killer Instinct offers far more content for free. You can only select one of the eight characters at any time, however it rotates between them regularly.. allowing you to eventually play as every character.

More importantly though, Killer Instinct always allows you to fight against any character. There's no inability to complete the Arcade mode, there's no being unable to play against friends because they have more content than you. When new characters are added (Spinal/Fulgore) you can immediately fight against them too.

The ideas between Killer Instinct and Driveclub are similar, but Killer Instinct is a far more generous offering.

Killer Instinct basically follows the League of Legends model to a tee. Up to the alt costumes being only obtained via money.

 

[daman824]

They do nothing but offer free stuff and amazing discounts though. Because of this and how hot the subject of DC is you would think it's a bad precedent? That is hyperbole to the point.

If the game sells well because of it, I don't see why it wouldn't encourage sony to start offering what amounts to game demos as their free ps+ content instead of the indie games we are currently getting. In all honesty, having us pay to demo their games would be a pretty sweet deal for them.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

If the game sells well because of it, I don't see why it wouldn't encourage sony to start offering what amounts to game demos as their free ps+ content instead of the indie games we are currently getting. In all honesty, having us pay to demo their games would be a pretty sweet deal for them.

I wouldn't want that to be honest but if you're going to try and point out the precedent then DC is not the game to be accusing of seeing some precedent.

MGS Ground Zeroes is something I felt passionate about in a negative light due to the charge. This is peanuts compared to that but lo and behold, MGS GZ unfortunately sold well enough for a demo.

With that being said, I've had enough of the repetitive back and forth. I do appreciate some of the thoughts and back and forth. Even if there's some disagreement, I can tolerate and enjoy more concise conversation but less trolling and hyperbole. You guys know who you are that I've had some exchanges that have brought forth some good points and good conversation.

 

[Fornaximus]

That assumes we aren't getting anything else that month.

I see this thread has gone basically nowhere today.

I don't think that assumption is too far-fetched. We've gotten Resogun since launch. I often forget that we actually have 2 game slots for PS4 IGC because one has never changed. Best-case scenario, they replace Resogun with the DriveClub demo, but then we still have a small fraction of a game taking up a slot. It'll be something new, but not a full game.

 

[213372bu]

Lackluster as free ps+ game tbh

This isn't some common thing Sony is doing and if you remember, this was the promised Plus game for launch. To somehow be outraged now when it was supposed to be the launch freebie is really not looking at the whole picture and you have allowed your expectations to be tempered negatively. Of course we've already gone through the points but that is one known fact that people need to realize before raging over that fact. It wasn't a problem then and it's not a problem now.

Through this whole ordeal, believe it or not, I'm actually still super stoked for Drive Club, I know I might type and use weird terms that may not imply through my computer, but I definitely am not basing this on my expectations of the game.

I realize it wasn't a problem now, because it is only now that people are finding out what it truly means behind their slick terminology. I would at least expect Plus members to get more than just one country out of a minimum of five, if they were going to hype it as a reason to buy PS Plus.

As for the fact that they won't do this for other games, I'm not so sure. The same argument was held in the uprising of DLCs, and it has gotten to the point where most of us have purchased DLC/expansions for our games, despite how against it we were at the time.
I just don't want these "Plus" editions to slowly take away from the amazing games we get in the IGC and having them slowly become it to the point where all games are "Plus editions."

At this point, it is too early for me to personally decide if this will be mimicked by other publishers. And the confidence is really weakened on the though of supporting a game like this at retail. I'll just have to see how it all plays out before I make any definite decisions though.