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[Meikiyou]

You know the best part of it?

It will be when they reveal that the evil witch is in fact Zelda, corrupted by evil.

YOU ALL WILL FEEL GUILT FOR FAPPING TO THE PRINCESS' BOOBS! >:C

 

[Mariolee]

You know the best part of it?

It will be when they reveal that the evil witch is in fact Zelda, corrupted by evil.

YOU ALL WILL FEEL GUILT FOR FAPPING TO THE PRINCESS' BOOBS! >:C

 

[Ushojax]

Personally I don't give a shit about the boobs, there have been loads of prominent breasts in Zelda before. It's just a shame that she looks like a character from Ninja Gaiden, not Zelda. Same with the red dude.

 

[Seligrafo]

I don't have a problem with Shia's design. I do have a problem with her design in relation to her motives though.

I'd be cool with having a character like that, but why does she gotta be lustin' for Link? It just seems like a lazy move but I guess it's fine? It's not gonna break the game for me.

 

[zroid]

I don't have a problem with Shia's design. I do have a problem with her design in relation to her motives though.

I'd be cool with having a character like that, but why does she gotta be lustin' for Link? It just seems like a lazy move but I guess it's fine? It's not gonna break the game for me.

Team Ninja

 

[Mesoian]

What bums me out about this discussion is now you'll have girls who want to cosplay Cia. Maybe they're more curvasious than Zelda or Impa or Maron or whatever cosplays would allow, or they just don't like those characters. They see Cia and think "Yes, finally, a character I can cosplay. A female Zelda character with power and raw sexuality that is a strong and assertive woman. Where is my sewing machine?" and then you have a bunch of lonely fucks with nothing better to do saying she looks like a slut and a stripper and where does that leave the fans who want to cosplay her? :<

Ladies the world over may have lit up at her reveal, only to find pages and pages of people arguing about how needlessly sexual this temptress' outfit is, and they think "Oh, I'm gonna have to deal with this shit if I want to dress as her at a convention? Never mind..."

I don't know what kind of blinders some of you have on but near-naked, sexual characters have been in the Zelda series forever. Maybe you think it doesn't count because the graphics weren't to the point where a breast resembled a breast, or because the sexuality was played for humor, but it's nothing new. We've had a race of naked fish people, a woman who's breasts dwarf Cia's with ample cleavage showing, completely naked women wrapped only in vines giggling and blowing kisses, two old hag witches that combine into a young scantily-clad busty witch, a town of thieves that dress like belly dancers, and that's just off the top of my head. Just because we now have the graphical fidelity to showcase a sexy character as a sexy character doesn't mean it's some kind of dark mark on the otherwise pristine reputation the series held before.

I see what you're saying, but I don't know a single cosplayer alive that would spend more than 2 seconds worrying about that shit.

 

[KojiKnight]

I see what you're saying, but I don't know a single cosplayer alive that would spend more than 2 seconds worrying about that shit.

My wife

"Professional" cosplayers won't give it a second thought, but casual cosplayers worry about these things.

It's really hard for a female character to be strong and sexually independent without getting a negative label attached to it... which is just silly because society would hardly bat an eye at the equivalent (just how many women did Ezio from AssCreed sleep with in the series?)

 

[akidnamededdy]

I'm glad the 37 pages of freaking out about Cia's exposed skin was broken up by two pages of grammar debates towards the end there.

Odd seeing Skyloft in that official artwork (and I assume those are loftwings flying around?). Do musou games usually have a really in depth plot or is it more just barely enough stuff happening to keep you going from one massive brawl to the next?

 

[Kinsei]

What bums me out about this discussion is now you'll have girls who want to cosplay Cia. Maybe they're more curvasious than Zelda or Impa or Maron or whatever cosplays would allow, or they just don't like those characters. They see Cia and think "Yes, finally, a character I can cosplay. A female Zelda character with power and raw sexuality that is a strong and assertive woman. Where is my sewing machine?" and then you have a bunch of lonely fucks with nothing better to do saying she looks like a slut and a stripper and where does that leave the fans who want to cosplay her? :<

Ladies the world over may have lit up at her reveal, only to find pages and pages of people arguing about how needlessly sexual this temptress' outfit is, and they think "Oh, I'm gonna have to deal with this shit if I want to dress as her at a convention? Never mind..."

I don't know what kind of blinders some of you have on but near-naked, sexual characters have been in the Zelda series forever. Maybe you think it doesn't count because the graphics weren't to the point where a breast resembled a breast, or because the sexuality was played for humor, but it's nothing new. We've had a race of naked fish people, a woman who's breasts dwarf Cia's with ample cleavage showing, completely naked women wrapped only in vines giggling and blowing kisses, two old hag witches that combine into a young scantily-clad busty witch, a town of thieves that dress like belly dancers, and that's just off the top of my head. Just because we now have the graphical fidelity to showcase a sexy character as a sexy character doesn't mean it's some kind of dark mark on the otherwise pristine reputation the series held before.

I like how you assume everyone that doesn't like Cia is lonely. I'd say I'm pretty happy with my love life.

No one here cares what a cosplayer dresses up as (or I would assume so), they should do whatever they think they'll have the most fun with. Disliking a character doesn't mean you dislike the people who like him or her.

So far Cia is the exact opposite of a strong character, she is only acting this way she is because she is possessed by a man.

Nothing in the series besides Veran comes close to Cia, and thankfully her sprite made her look like a human/preying mantis crossbreed.

 

[akidnamededdy]

So far Cia is the exact opposite of a strong character, she is only acting this way she is because she is possessed by a man.

This is kind of a leap to be making considering all we know about the character right now.

 

[Mesoian]

My wife

"Professional" cosplayers won't give it a second thought, but casual cosplayers worry about these things.

It's really hard for a female character to be strong and sexually independent without getting a negative label attached to it... which is just silly because society would hardly bat an eye at the equivalent (just how many women did Ezio from AssCreed sleep with in the series?)

I would say the moment you let other people dictate what you can and cannot cosplay is the moment you talked yourself out of that cosplay.

Other people should not figure into your decision on what to make. Fuck the haters, they will always be there regardless of what you create.

Making cosplay takes too long for haters to have any say in the process.

 

[MisterGrey3000]

Avatar quote? Avatar quote.

lol I was wondering when someone would notice.

Why do we always need to do the "neckbeard fedora tipping" thing with this?
Are you really trying to pretend the only people that find adult women attractive are stereotypical fat nerds?

lol
Neckbeards aren't always fat.

*Twilight princess great fairy critique*

There is something a lot more ethereal and quirky about that design. Again it wasn't made for straight/bi/lesbian nerds to gawk at.
She's not like Booby Witch, who is sort of a "classically" beautiful woman in a lot of ways.

 

[akidnamededdy]

I think one big question is whether or not there are actual, real people whose decision on which $60 video game to buy is based on whether or not there is at least one character in that game showing off clevage.

 

[Mesoian]

I think one big question is whether or not there are actual, real people whose decision on which $60 video game to buy is based on whether or not there is at least one character in that game showing off clevage.

There are, but those people were never that interested in the game to begin with.

There is something a lot more ethereal and quirky about that design. Again it wasn't made for straight/bi/lesbian nerds to gawk at.
She's not like Booby Witch, who is sort of a "classically" beautiful woman in a lot of ways.

I won't say you're wrong, but that's a stretch. If that same exact design was done in a more anime style, proportions the same, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

 

[Kinsei]

I think one big question is whether or not there are actual, real people whose decision on which $60 video game to buy is based on whether or not there is at least one character in that game showing off clevage.

If my time on the Internet is indicative of anything, then yes there are.

 

[foxuzamaki]

What bums me out about this discussion is now you'll have girls who want to cosplay Cia. Maybe they're more curvasious than Zelda or Impa or Maron or whatever cosplays would allow, or they just don't like those characters. They see Cia and think "Yes, finally, a character I can cosplay. A female Zelda character with power and raw sexuality that is a strong and assertive woman. Where is my sewing machine?" and then you have a bunch of lonely fucks with nothing better to do saying she looks like a slut and a stripper and where does that leave the fans who want to cosplay her? :<

Ladies the world over may have lit up at her reveal, only to find pages and pages of people arguing about how needlessly sexual this temptress' outfit is, and they think "Oh, I'm gonna have to deal with this shit if I want to dress as her at a convention? Never mind..."

I don't know what kind of blinders some of you have on but near-naked, sexual characters have been in the Zelda series forever. Maybe you think it doesn't count because the graphics weren't to the point where a breast resembled a breast, or because the sexuality was played for humor, but it's nothing new. We've had a race of naked fish people, a woman who's breasts dwarf Cia's with ample cleavage showing, completely naked women wrapped only in vines giggling and blowing kisses, two old hag witches that combine into a young scantily-clad busty witch, a town of thieves that dress like belly dancers, and that's just off the top of my head. Just because we now have the graphical fidelity to showcase a sexy character as a sexy character doesn't mean it's some kind of dark mark on the otherwise pristine reputation the series held before.

gotdamn, great post.

 

[Lernaean]

What bums me out about this discussion is now you'll have girls who want to cosplay Cia. Maybe they're more curvasious than Zelda or Impa or Maron or whatever cosplays would allow, or they just don't like those characters. They see Cia and think "Yes, finally, a character I can cosplay. A female Zelda character with power and raw sexuality that is a strong and assertive woman. Where is my sewing machine?" and then you have a bunch of lonely fucks with nothing better to do saying she looks like a slut and a stripper and where does that leave the fans who want to cosplay her? :<

Ladies the world over may have lit up at her reveal, only to find pages and pages of people arguing about how needlessly sexual this temptress' outfit is, and they think "Oh, I'm gonna have to deal with this shit if I want to dress as her at a convention? Never mind..."

I don't know what kind of blinders some of you have on but near-naked, sexual characters have been in the Zelda series forever. Maybe you think it doesn't count because the graphics weren't to the point where a breast resembled a breast, or because the sexuality was played for humor, but it's nothing new. We've had a race of naked fish people, a woman who's breasts dwarf Cia's with ample cleavage showing, completely naked women wrapped only in vines giggling and blowing kisses, two old hag witches that combine into a young scantily-clad busty witch, a town of thieves that dress like belly dancers, and that's just off the top of my head. Just because we now have the graphical fidelity to showcase a sexy character as a sexy character doesn't mean it's some kind of dark mark on the otherwise pristine reputation the series held before.

Just excellent, bravo!

 

[MisterGrey3000]

There are, but those people were never that interested in the game to begin with.



I won't say you're wrong, but that's a stretch. If that same exact design was done in a more anime style, proportions the same, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Nah, We'd still be having this discussion. Stuff like this is done in anime all the time. That's why Shia's design is so bad. It's amateurish generic anime junk.
Her outfit looks like a rejected Prince costume.

 

[WordAssassin]

I see what you're saying, but I don't know a single cosplayer alive that would spend more than 2 seconds worrying about that shit.

Maybe professionals won't think twice, but actual normal people? Yes. Not trying to sound snooty: have you been to any conventions ever? Working in the comics industry, I have been to a lot of them. I see the looks that girls get, I hear the remarks people make to themselves and to the girls cosplaying that are hurtful and inappropriate. It takes a lot of courage to dress up like certain comic/anime/game characters when you aren't a svelte professional model in a professionally made costume.

1) I like how you assume everyone that doesn't like Cia is lonely. I'd say I'm pretty happy with my love life.

2) No one here cares what a cosplayer dresses up as (or I would assume so), they should do whatever they think they'll have the most fun with. Disliking a character doesn't mean you dislike the people who like him or her.

3) So far Cia is the exact opposite of a strong character, she is only acting this way she is because she is possessed by a man.

4) Nothing in the series besides Veran comes close to Cia, and thankfully her sprite made her look like a human/preying mantis crossbreed.

1) Aren't generalizations fun? Kinda like how Cia supporters being lumped together as "fat otaku neckbeards".

2) I'll ask you the same question I asked Mesoian: Have you ever been to a convention? Do you know normal girls who cosplay? Have you ever been to tumblr and seen all the hurtful, ugly, disrespectful things people say about girls who cosplay? I'd assume not based on what you're saying here, because people do care, and they're vocal about it, and it's wrong.

Also, to the both of you: the burden should not be on the women who want to dress up, to ignore what detractors say. It should be on the men and women who are shaming them for dressing as a sexy/provocative character.

3) Try reading her bio again. Let me post it for you here so you don't have to look for it:

Cia has a very strong sense of self, being clear about what she wants and displays an unusually aggressive and provocative personality. While she desires the world itself, above that she desires Link, wanting to make him hers.

Cia is not only driven by her affinity for Link. She is a sorceress who, once possessed by darkness, wants the world, and is a person who knows what she wants and does whatever she has to to get it, going so far as to start a war.

4) Willful ignorance or have you never played Ocarina of Time? The Great Fairies are basically naked. If OoT was made today with HD graphics they would not look that way, or the game would be rated T/M for Suggestive Themes. Link walks into a room, and out of a pool of water a giant, naked woman scram-laughs in ecstasy as she emerges. The camera slowly pans around her body as she lays in a seductive pose in mid-air, giving us a view that she is wearing only vines. When she gives you the spell, she rolls over onto all fours and sticks her ass up into the air, and appears to blow a kiss to Link before summoning the magic for him.

But don't take my word for it! Watch it yourself right here, and just imagine what this scene would look like with today's HD graphics and see if you can honestly tell yourself that Cia, who is actually wearing even more clothes than this character, is worse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g06-b_dlcJY

 

[JB2448]

Here's a higher resolution version of the Skyloft (?) illustration:

 

[watershed]

Wait a minute what's with that Skyloft picture? Does that mean this story is the one in the prologue to Skyward Sword? This game tells the tale of the great war on the surface that led to the Goddess creating Skyloft in the first place?

 

[Riki]

Wait a minute what's with that Skyloft picture? Does that mean this story is the one in the prologue to Skyward Sword? This game tells the tale of the great war on the surface that led to the Goddess creating Skyloft in the first place?

No.
This is after Skyward Sword (seeing as Zelda and the Master Sword both exist).
More likely (as I've said) this is Skyloft being pulled into the future by an evil force (Majora) in order to bring about an even greater force (Demise).

 

[Aquamarine]

Wait a minute what's with that Skyloft picture? Does that mean this story is the one in the prologue to Skyward Sword? This game tells the tale of the great war on the surface that led to the Goddess creating Skyloft in the first place?

More like a sequel to Skyward Sword.

 

[WordAssassin]

Damn I really have to finish Twilight Princess so I can get into Skyward Sword, the story actually sounds pretty interesting :O

 

[Principate]

lol I was wondering when someone would notice.


lol
Neckbeards aren't always fat.



There is something a lot more ethereal and quirky about that design. Again it wasn't made for straight/bi/lesbian nerds to gawk at.
She's not like Booby Witch, who is sort of a "classically" beautiful woman in a lot of ways.

Seems like underange girl pandering to me. Definitely seems like something certain players were meant gawk at (why is she completely topless).

Which is what makes that argument pointless. This difference between that and other this that it panders to entirely different subset, but it does pander (quite blatantly).

I find personally far more offensive as I don't find it appealing looking at the mostly naked body of a girl that could be underaged.

It's also reminiscent of some of shit I've seen in anime. So no this level of fan service is not new.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

What bums me out about this discussion is now you'll have girls who want to cosplay Cia. Maybe they're more curvasious than Zelda or Impa or Maron or whatever cosplays would allow, or they just don't like those characters. They see Cia and think "Yes, finally, a character I can cosplay. A female Zelda character with power and raw sexuality that is a strong and assertive woman. Where is my sewing machine?" and then you have a bunch of lonely fucks with nothing better to do saying she looks like a slut and a stripper and where does that leave the fans who want to cosplay her? :<

Ladies the world over may have lit up at her reveal, only to find pages and pages of people arguing about how needlessly sexual this temptress' outfit is, and they think "Oh, I'm gonna have to deal with this shit if I want to dress as her at a convention? Never mind..."

I don't know what kind of blinders some of you have on but near-naked, sexual characters have been in the Zelda series forever. Maybe you think it doesn't count because the graphics weren't to the point where a breast resembled a breast, or because the sexuality was played for humor, but it's nothing new. We've had a race of naked fish people, a woman who's breasts dwarf Cia's with ample cleavage showing, completely naked women wrapped only in vines giggling and blowing kisses, two old hag witches that combine into a young scantily-clad busty witch, a town of thieves that dress like belly dancers, and that's just off the top of my head. Just because we now have the graphical fidelity to showcase a sexy character as a sexy character doesn't mean it's some kind of dark mark on the otherwise pristine reputation the series held before.

Fucking BOOM! People are getting confused cause the graphics. You will see people talk about cortana's design in halo 4 but wont say nothing about ruto.

 

[Kinsei]

1) Aren't generalizations fun? Kinda like how Cia supporters being lumped together as "fat otaku neckbeards".

2) I'll ask you the same question I asked Mesoian: Have you ever been to a convention? Do you know normal girls who cosplay? Have you ever been to tumblr and seen all the hurtful, ugly, disrespectful things people say about girls who cosplay? I'd assume not based on what you're saying here, because people do care, and they're vocal about it, and it's wrong.

Also, to the both of you: the burden should not be on the women who want to dress up, to ignore what detractors say. It should be on the men and women who are shaming them for dressing as a sexy/provocative character.

3) Try reading her bio again. Let me post it for you here so you don't have to look for it:



Cia is not only driven by her affinity for Link. She is a sorceress who, once possessed by darkness, wants the world, and is a person who knows what she wants and does whatever she has to to get it, going so far as to start a war.

4) Willful ignorance or have you never played Ocarina of Time? The Great Fairies are basically naked. If OoT was made today with HD graphics they would not look that way, or the game would be rated T/M for Suggestive Themes. Link walks into a room, and out of a pool of water a giant, naked woman scram-laughs in ecstasy as she emerges. The camera slowly pans around her body as she lays in a seductive pose in mid-air, giving us a view that she is wearing only vines. When she gives you the spell, she rolls over onto all fours and sticks her ass up into the air, and appears to blow a kiss to Link before summoning the magic for him.

But don't take my word for it! Watch it yourself right here, and just imagine what this scene would look like with today's HD graphics and see if you can honestly tell yourself that Cia, who is actually wearing even more clothes than this character, is worse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g06-b_dlcJY

1) I never made any of those generalizations.

2) Yes, I have been to a convention, however I never heard any hateful language being thrown around, although I fully admit that it was certainly luck, and not indicative of the people there. As for Tumblr and what not, no, I've never looked up any cosplayers on there. I tend to avoid sites with open comment sections with little to no moderation, as there are far too many racist, homophobic, misogynistic, intolerant, etc, etc, etc, people in the world.

3) If Cia goes ahead and starts a war and does things before getting possessed besides lusting after Link I'll concede this point.

4) They're fairies. Y'know one with nature and all that jazz. I see no problem with fairies being naked and only being covered up by natural things like hair or vines.

 

[Principate]

1) I never made any of those generalizations.

2) Yes, I have been to a convention, however I never heard any hateful language being thrown around, although I fully admit that it was certainly luck, and not indicative of the people there. As for Tumblr and what not, no, I've never looked up any cosplayers on there. I tend to avoid sites with open comment sections with little to no moderation, as there are far too many racist, homophobic, misogynistic, intolerant, etc, etc, etc, people in the world.

3) If Cia goes ahead and starts a war and does things before getting possessed besides lusting after Link I'll concede this point.

4) They're fairies. Y'know one with nature and all that jazz. I see no problem with fairies being naked and only being covered up by natural things like hair or vines.

That's some double standards there bro.

 

[Big One]

Wait a minute what's with that Skyloft picture? Does that mean this story is the one in the prologue to Skyward Sword? This game tells the tale of the great war on the surface that led to the Goddess creating Skyloft in the first place?

no it has to take place after Skyward Sword. If I had to guess the witch lady has time travel powers and is bringing Skyloft to the present. This could possibly explain why certain cahracters from the franchise end up being playable in the same game like Midna or Vaati and other estranged characters.

 

[watershed]

No.
This is after Skyward Sword (seeing as Zelda and the Master Sword both exist).
More likely (as I've said) this is Skyloft being pulled into the future by an evil force (Majora) in order to bring about an even greater force (Demise).

More like a sequel to Skyward Sword.

Oh, that's kind of cool too. But seeing that supposedly massive war would have been pretty cool too. I guess since Skyward Sword is the "first Zelda" we'll never see anything take place before it.

 

[moolamb]

Whoa... I check back into this thread for news and we're still talking about boobs?

 

[Anteo]

Wait a minute what's with that Skyloft picture? Does that mean this story is the one in the prologue to Skyward Sword? This game tells the tale of the great war on the surface that led to the Goddess creating Skyloft in the first place?

Oh, that's kind of cool too. But seeing that supposedly massive war would have been pretty cool too. I guess since Skyward Sword is the "first Zelda" we'll never see anything take place before it.

Probably, because that statue on the island is gone by the end of Skyward Sword. So that's either just a flashback, or a hint that this is Pre - SS era.
But most likely it tells the story of different periods, like pre-SS then timeskip to post-SS

Edit: I stick by my theory that Fi knows the Master Sword existed pre-SS :

"Master, now that it has been tempered by the last of the sacred flames, your blade has finally revealed its true form. You now hold the Master Sword."...

Also, how many "First Zelda" games we have had until now?

 

[Riki]

Whoa... I check back into this thread for news and we're still talking about boobs?

They have a gravitational pull on us!

 

[Principate]

They have a gravitational pull on us!

It's the Sun! And the world is revolving around it!

 

[Kinsei]

That's some double standards there bro.

I assume you're talking about the fairies? I just see no problem with mysterious mythical creatures being naked in Zelda as long as they're not sexualized, which the fairies are not. All of the fairies in the 3D games are portrayed as eerie and creepy.

I'm not a bro, dude.

 

[Shaanyboi]

People are still focused on the boob thing? Jesus christ, people...

 

[Principate]

I assume you're talking about the fairies? I just see no problem with mysterious mythical creatures being naked in Zelda as long as they're not sexualized, which the fairies are not. All of the fairies in the 3D games are portrayed as eerie and creepy.

I'm not a bro, dude.

They are sexualized. Quite blatantly. So the difference between the two are one are fairies so it's alright and one isn't a fairy so nope can't happen.

If they said she was fairy would that suddenly make it all right? That's a double standard.

 

[-Horizon-]

Whoa... I check back into this thread for news and we're still talking about boobs?

Well there is a lack of any hometown being shown so far soooooo...yeah.

 

[Kinsei]

They are sexualized. Quite blatantly. So the difference between the two are one are fairies so it's alright and one isn't a fairy so nope can't happen.

If they said she was fairy would that suddenly make it all right? That's a double standard.

We'll just have to disagree there. The face on the great fairy in OoT combined with that laugh, makes her terrifying. It's not just a limit of the N64 either as other female faces don't look anywhere near as horrifying. The TP great fairy gives you a bottle of her tears and then implies that she was going to keep you as a slave but didn't because Ganon would take over if she did.

To me saying that the fairies are sexualized is the same as saying the sirens are sexualized in the first God of War.

 

[plank]

I fear that there will be some breast reduction surgery done on a curtain sheikah witch before the game is released.

 

[Principate]

We'll just have to disagree there. The face on the great fairy in OoT combined with that laugh, makes her terrifying. It's not just a limit of the N64 either as other female faces don't look anywhere near as horrifying. The TP great fairy gives you a bottle of her tears and then implies that she was going to keep you as a slave but didn't because Ganon would take over if she did.

To me saying that the fairies are sexualized is the same as saying the sirens are sexualized in the first God of War.

You use the word terrifying and attribute various negative actions as reason as why they're not sexy while claiming an evil witch that is trying to take over the world is so much less scary.

They're playing off the exact same thing but your condemning one over the other, for no real reason. They were sexualised there's no reason why the player met those characters the way they did those fairies acting the way they did while also being almost completely naked. None. There's no gameplay related reason there's no story related reason there's nothing whatsoever to explain why thet react to link in a provocative (yes provocative you can't deny that) manner other than sexualisation.

I'm sorry but that's wilful ignorance. We shall agree to disagree.

 

[WordAssassin]

1) I never made any of those generalizations.

2) Yes, I have been to a convention, however I never heard any hateful language being thrown around, although I fully admit that it was certainly luck, and not indicative of the people there. As for Tumblr and what not, no, I've never looked up any cosplayers on there. I tend to avoid sites with open comment sections with little to no moderation, as there are far too many racist, homophobic, misogynistic, intolerant, etc, etc, etc, people in the world.

3) If Cia goes ahead and starts a war and does things before getting possessed besides lusting after Link I'll concede this point.

4) They're fairies. Y'know one with nature and all that jazz. I see no problem with fairies being naked and only being covered up by natural things like hair or vines.

1) I didn't say you did, just like I didn't say you specifically were one of the lonely fucks talking shit about Cia (or strippers or belly dancers) looking like a slut.

2) It's awful. I don't go looking for it on tumblr, sometimes it gets reblogged by people I follow and I see it on my dash. But it's not just Internet People comments, there are stories from people who went to cons. I also went to WonderCon recently in LA, and for about an hour or so I walked around with a couple friends who were cosplaying as ... I think Scarlet Witch and Power Girl. People's reactions are disgusting, especially since Power Girl was a bit, ah, fuller-figured than she appears in the comics.

3) Before getting possessed she's a good witch. Why would she start a war then?

4) That is an insane double standard.

I assume you're talking about the fairies? I just see no problem with mysterious mythical creatures being naked in Zelda as long as they're not sexualized, which the fairies are not. All of the fairies in the 3D games are portrayed as eerie and creepy.

I'm not a bro, dude.

They are SUPER sexualized. Did you watch the video I posted? What, because it's scary or humorous, the sexualization is gone? Ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous.

We'll just have to disagree there. The face on the great fairy in OoT combined with that laugh, makes her terrifying. It's not just a limit of the N64 either as other female faces don't look anywhere near as horrifying. The TP great fairy gives you a bottle of her tears and then implies that she was going to keep you as a slave but didn't because Ganon would take over if she did.

To me saying that the fairies are sexualized is the same as saying the sirens are sexualized in the first God of War.

The face is made up with eye shadow and lipstick. Her laugh sounds like she's screaming in ecstasy. We get a long, slow pan around her body to show it off. She is in a seductive position when talking to Link, which becomes incredible sexual once she turns over and makes the spell.

Also, double standard, witches are just as fake and fantastical as fairies. They are both human in appearance. If Nintendo altered the text so that Cia was a fairy gone bad instead of a witch, everything would be fine then? In fact she could wear even less than she does now? Because she's a fantastical creature that looks exactly like a human, but isn't, that makes it "ok"?

 

[Principate]

For those that may have forgotten this is how the great fairy is reveal in TP.

http://youtu.be/Kg_3X7rH8ZI?t=11m22s

No sexalization there nope no siry!

 

[-Horizon-]

Damn I really have to finish Twilight Princess so I can get into Skyward Sword, the story actually sounds pretty interesting :O

Best Zelda incarnation. Hands down.
Motion controls and a few other aspects will determine if you will love the game or hate it. There doesn't seem to be many that are in between after playing it.

 

[Principate]

Best Zelda incarnation. Hands down.
Motion controls and a few other aspects will determine if you will love the game or hate it. There doesn't seem to be many that are in between after playing it.

Played the game for a while over Christmas never really finished it as I didn't take to uni. Now my wii's in limbo. I'll finish it eventually....

 

[-Horizon-]

Played the game for a while over Christmas never really finished it as I didn't take to uni. Now my wii's in limbo. I'll finish it eventually....

Can I get a short reaction comment to what you've played so far that you can remember? Just curious

 

[Laughing Banana]

.......I find it kind of sad that out of 37 pages of discussion generated by this game in GAF so far, maybe around 35 or 36 pages out of it are constructed by talks about boobies.

I mean goddamn people.

 

[moolamb]

They have a gravitational pull on us!

That makes so much physical sense!

Well there is a lack of any hometown being shown so far soooooo...yeah.

Can't wait for some news so I can get those two suns out of my mind.

 

[Principate]

Can I get a short reaction comment to what you've played so far that you can remember? Just curious

Sword fighting was pretty nifting, just about finished the tutorial area and began flying on the bird. So not really far at all. Would have gone further but there was a major output issue on that specific tv (was at my sisters house) for some reason stuff was black and white and I just gave up playing it like that.

 

[Capra]

What bums me out about this discussion is now you'll have girls who want to cosplay Cia. Maybe they're more curvasious than Zelda or Impa or Maron or whatever cosplays would allow, or they just don't like those characters. They see Cia and think "Yes, finally, a character I can cosplay. A female Zelda character with power and raw sexuality that is a strong and assertive woman. Where is my sewing machine?" and then you have a bunch of lonely fucks with nothing better to do saying she looks like a slut and a stripper and where does that leave the fans who want to cosplay her? :<

Ladies the world over may have lit up at her reveal, only to find pages and pages of people arguing about how needlessly sexual this temptress' outfit is, and they think "Oh, I'm gonna have to deal with this shit if I want to dress as her at a convention? Never mind..."

I don't know what kind of blinders some of you have on but near-naked, sexual characters have been in the Zelda series forever. Maybe you think it doesn't count because the graphics weren't to the point where a breast resembled a breast, or because the sexuality was played for humor, but it's nothing new. We've had a race of naked fish people, a woman who's breasts dwarf Cia's with ample cleavage showing, completely naked women wrapped only in vines giggling and blowing kisses, two old hag witches that combine into a young scantily-clad busty witch, a town of thieves that dress like belly dancers, and that's just off the top of my head. Just because we now have the graphical fidelity to showcase a sexy character as a sexy character doesn't mean it's some kind of dark mark on the otherwise pristine reputation the series held before.

Please don't try to simplify this discussion into prudes hating on women's sexuality. Cia is a temptress because that's the character template she's based on. It's not exactly groundbreaking character design, and there have been tons of actually talented writers who have used that template as the foundation to create three-dimensional characters before (Melisandre from ASOIAF comes to mind). The problem here is that even though we haven't seen much of Hyrule Warriors' story, we already know it's not exactly a game that's aiming to redefine ancient tropes like that. It's a fanservice game for Zelda/DW fans, and Cia's design is just another insertion of the tired old "sexy powerful villainess temps chaste hero" convention.

No one should be arguing for the complete erasure of female sexuality from character design because sexuality is a huge part of being human. Female sexuality can be used to illustrate confidence, or as a tool for female characters to manipulate others, or just to show that a character is human and relatable, or any other myriad of ways. But the way it's being used here, as Cia's defining characteristic, comes off as blatant fanservice to appeal to the most prevalent portion of the fanbase with some fluffy backstory to justify the design.

It's not even as if Cia's design is really even that interesting in comparison to some others, and other female characters within the Zelda series have utilized sexuality in better ways. Midna's true form has obvious sexual qualities, but it's also a genuinely thoughtful character design that exudes tribal regality. Her boobs aren't the main focus of her design, but her sexuality is still a part of it. Telma's design is also obviously sexual and her boobs are a huge part of it, but she's also older, more mature, and not the "idealized" image of a young woman. Telma's design is more "fun" and Twilight Princess cracks a visual boob joke in nearly every scene she's in, but her more mature features balance it out and in-game she's more of a mother/mentor figure. You can have female character designs that feature their sexuality more heavily and which also treat it with respect.

Cia, on the other hand, is lazy character design that goes straight for the most obvious ways to emphasize her sexuality. The fact that her lust for Link, the main character, is one of her main motivations only makes it more eye-rolling.

Also yes, Ruto's design is pretty blatant. So is Twinrova's and the great fairies'. But this is 2014 and Cia is a completely original character designed entirely for this one game. It's not stretching for some people to be offended over having such a blatantly-lazily-designed character take up space in their ultra-Zelda-fanservice Dynasty Warriors game whose plot will in all honesty be just an excuse to cram as many playable Zelda characters into one game as possible.