yeah....that is a bit much there.
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Will discussion of certain games be banned on Neogaf from here on out?
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yeah....that is a bit much there.
I'm absolutely cool with anything from Japan not involving the fetization of minor girls.
Need Drinky back for the true Anime Armageddon
Chie Satonaka
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The generalizations that people have gotten away with in this thread are already bad enough, but yeah, we'll just let this one slide too.
I'm tempted to use the most obnoxious moeblob animu avatar I can find, but it looks like freenudemacusers already beat me to it.
DimmuBurgerKing
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I see no racism, nor are games like this an important part of "Japanese culture" to be against. If anything gives fans of anime a bad name and causes others to judge them, it's the fucking persecution complex you and some others seem to have.
I read manga (currently reading Vinland Saga) and watch anime - it could be argued that my avatar, a character from a Japanese game with an obvious Japanese aesthetic, is "anime" - but I am not defending this game. I can't and won't support interactive depictions of pedophilia in any form of media.
Easton Dark
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How old is that spider
Seraphis Cain
bad gameplay lol
Well...
Sapiens said:
Black Republican said:
I can go on (there's a whole thread full of people saying they'd disregard the opinion of someone with an anime avatar), but I think this should be enough for now.
Jinfash
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I'm pretty confused as well.
Because if making fun or ridiculing a group of games or such equals racism, then holy shit some people have been racist against American and European cultures all the time on Gaf.
Anyone who has taken a college level logic class know that the person and their motivation for making a argument is largely irrelevant. What matters is the argument presented and the support for that argument.
While I think ThoseDeafMutes post was mostly tongue and cheek, it really doesn't add anything of value in this discussion.
While I think ThoseDeafMutes post was mostly tongue and cheek, it really doesn't add anything of value in this discussion.
Even if there's grounds to it, it's sort of a dumb thing to do. Imagine if you apply this to everything.
"Oh yes, that CorvoSol, clearly he is a fan of everything even tangentially related to Raven Symone. I mean, it's in his avatar!"
I never even saw Corey in the House. Heck I don't think I ever saw more than commercials for the Cheetah girls or whatever.
What's the point then?
This is a bad post.Sorry guys but I'm laughing at half the avatars ITT.
NewEraBlood
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Some of these responses are so ridiculous I don't even know where to start. People saying "I guess we'll have to ban Mortal Kombat or DOA too" are apparently making an argument in a vacuum. A game that is about sexually "punishing" 6-year old girls is poor taste to 99.9% of people, and is something most people find disturbing. If NeoGAF wants to say no threads then go over to 4chan or 7chan and discuss it there, they have boards for it. But to take an argument to it's extreme and compare a fighting game with ridiculous amounts of blood or jiggle-physics to a game about sexual molestation is ridiculous.
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
Really, people look down on MLP, and I imagine other cartoony kids show avatars as well. Probably any Seth Macfarlane-related avatar too.
freenudemacusers
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has anyone considered petitioning the whitehouse for anime history month?
Two of the avatars he quoted have nothing to do with that. So what is the reason for picking those 3 then? Hell, pick mine too. Pick my username too. I've had lots of people do it on lots of different sites as a form of insult. It's clear what the meaning is to me.
Okay, even if you weren't making hilarious hurt feeling sweeping generalizations....
You're still conflating dislike of animu avatars with racism against the japanese people and a hate of all japanese culture, which is dumb.
Sorry guys but I'm laughing at half the avatars ITT.
Wrong time, wrong place.
white house petitions aren't worth participating in ever since Ignition national anthem petition didn't gain the traction it deserved
Sorry guys but I'm laughing at half the avatars ITT.
Come on, man... Don't be that guy. That's Youtube level of bad.
Pickles Spill
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But in many violent video games, violence isn't the main focus. Sure, there is violence in Fallout, but it also contains a commentary about people's attitudes in the US. From what I understand, the exploitation of children is the focus of this game.
Sorry guys but I'm laughing at half the avatars ITT.
:lol :lol
DimmuBurgerKing
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..The meaning should be clear, considering he included quotes from posts along with the avatars. Come on.
Its a shame I couldnt find the proper articles and the ones I linked fail to paint a bigger picture, but basically pornography is mostly good, but certain types of it like humiliation porn and child pornography increase the recidivism in certain percentage of already sick patients. Mind you, im not saying child porn creates pedophiles, just that "art" can harm and having an absolutist view on it just wrong, not to mention it makes you look a bit callous.
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
The point was the people with the anime avatars happened to usually be the ones getting the most defensive over this decision I assume. As in this isn't a non-biased "censorship is bad!" statement, but they have personal interest in it.
Of course there were way better avatars he could've picked from this thread rather than those honestly, and far worse quotes I imagine...
Karsticles
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Going slightly off topic here, this is why I really do not like the whole "real name" movement going on with Google, Sony, and Microsoft right now. I absolutely do not want my place of work seeing what I talk about on here.
Would an animated version, of what could well have been an actual child being sexually molested, be considered art and accepted by people of all ages in an ideal world?
Note that the events in the video didn't have to actually occur in real life, nor did it draw inspiration from any video in particular.
Lucent
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I'm personally just neutral on the whole thing. I love GAF because it's more or less focused and not cluttered with random stuff (most of the time). There aren't a lot of trolls or spammers and no annoying signatures under every post that just pad a thread. But I feel like some people on GAF are way too sensitive to some things.
Like if anyone has a problem with a thread that they can choose to stay out of in the first place, doesn't matter, they come in and get upset at what they're seeing and then go complain. They could simply go in the thread, see it's not for them, and stay away. Like how you don't go into an adult video store, because you have no interest. Or don't watch sports because you know that's not your thing. Just kind of annoying when some threads get closed just because some people don't like it. I can understand why the Animal Crossing anticipation thread thing got closed because that is more or less an E for everyone game and the "lewdness" was too much for some people. That makes sense.
But I'm a very open-minded person who doesn't really care what someone likes and doesn't like. They can enjoy what they like. If they like smoking, okay, I'll just stay way since I don't like smoke.
But yeah, I'm a crazy guy who enjoys going to 4chan on the side for their silly, off-the-wall antics. =/
Like if anyone has a problem with a thread that they can choose to stay out of in the first place, doesn't matter, they come in and get upset at what they're seeing and then go complain. They could simply go in the thread, see it's not for them, and stay away. Like how you don't go into an adult video store, because you have no interest. Or don't watch sports because you know that's not your thing. Just kind of annoying when some threads get closed just because some people don't like it. I can understand why the Animal Crossing anticipation thread thing got closed because that is more or less an E for everyone game and the "lewdness" was too much for some people. That makes sense.
But I'm a very open-minded person who doesn't really care what someone likes and doesn't like. They can enjoy what they like. If they like smoking, okay, I'll just stay way since I don't like smoke.
But yeah, I'm a crazy guy who enjoys going to 4chan on the side for their silly, off-the-wall antics. =/
Professor Beef
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Not all people with anime avatars defend tripe like this, but all people who defend tripe like this have anime avatars.
Ragingnight
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you have no room to talk you sexist/racist FGC mongrel
kappa
On a serious note. I don't agree and I think that is a bad way to approach things.
Dragonborn
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Racism isn't the right word. Something like prejudice fits much better, and there's certainly a prejudice against anime and anime-related stuff.
Exactly this. These are the avatars of the individuals on gaf who come out of the woodwork to defend "childlike characters in sexualized outfits etc" games. It reminds me of the avatars of the people who went into a frenzy about egoraptor's Zelda video. Almost all had Zelda or Nintendo avatars. It was was shocking predictable.
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It's incredible to me how distorted and black&white some of you guys talk about "freedom of speech" and "censorship".
Maybe it's because as an historian, I try to understand these concepts within their historical context, and not just as an abstract category meant to cover some absurd right to say, act and do whatever the hell one desires.
Historically speaking, freedom of speech was meant to protect the right of a minority from oppression from a majority. First in religious disputes, where already from the 15th century, some monarchs and rulers saw the value in tolerating dissenting opinions (calvinism vs. protestantism etc.). Later in a political context, freedom of speech was meant to guarantee the right to express political sentiments that dissented from the views of those who held power, and the right to critize the acts and intentions of governements.
These days, so often, the exact opposite seems to be the case. So often I see oppressors (antisemitism, misogynists, anti-muslim etc.) infer their "freedom of speech" in order to.. oppress through hate speech, in most cases, a minority. And in this particular case, invoking "freedom of speech" to cover some sort of absurd right to enjoy a graphical representation of the abuse of underaged girls, is telling of how distorted the concept has become.
Maybe it's because as an historian, I try to understand these concepts within their historical context, and not just as an abstract category meant to cover some absurd right to say, act and do whatever the hell one desires.
Historically speaking, freedom of speech was meant to protect the right of a minority from oppression from a majority. First in religious disputes, where already from the 15th century, some monarchs and rulers saw the value in tolerating dissenting opinions (calvinism vs. protestantism etc.). Later in a political context, freedom of speech was meant to guarantee the right to express political sentiments that dissented from the views of those who held power, and the right to critize the acts and intentions of governements.
These days, so often, the exact opposite seems to be the case. So often I see oppressors (antisemitism, misogynists, anti-muslim etc.) infer their "freedom of speech" in order to.. oppress through hate speech, in most cases, a minority. And in this particular case, invoking "freedom of speech" to cover some sort of absurd right to enjoy a graphical representation of the abuse of underaged girls, is telling of how distorted the concept has become.
terribletwo
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There's having an anime avatar
and then there's having an anime avatar, if you know what i mean
what i mean is the bottom half of the jpeg you trunctated for your av is a 12 year old's virginia that's covered by a patch of cloth or maybe her barely developed breasts
and then there's having an anime avatar, if you know what i mean
what i mean is the bottom half of the jpeg you trunctated for your av is a 12 year old's virginia that's covered by a patch of cloth or maybe her barely developed breasts
I wasn't even defending it tho
TDM can't derive mirth from the coincidence that a lot of these defensive posts are helmed by posters with anime avatars?
No laughing for you, TDM, get back to your station.
Also, it's key to remember that any talk of banning is strictly contained to this forum. The game will still be released.
No laughing for you, TDM, get back to your station.
Also, it's key to remember that any talk of banning is strictly contained to this forum. The game will still be released.
benjipwns
Banned
Fuck that, I'm already writing one about avatar quoting.
dark_prinny
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Being anti-moe/whatever this stuff is is not anti-Japanese culture. These things do not make up Japanese culture. They are a small thing, they are even a niche in the Japanese entertainment scene.
But you're probably right in some respects, that the people who have actual serious venom against anime avatars probably are making generalizations about Japanese games and anime(not culture, I don't think anyone's going that far, well maybe sometime the attack on Brodudes by anime fans).
But hell I can't blame them. This stuff and the fandom around it has become such a huge part of the online scene in regards to Japanese anime and games. I'd almost say it's the face.
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