How do I not know this?
Sounds like a cool store. So then they sell a ton of electronics?
Ok, WiiU is going to give the Xbox One an unexpectedly hard run for Place 2 this gen
Thats a strange math. You are comparing oranges with apples.Last Quarter 360 shipped 800,000 units. There is usually a drop in shipments between Jan-Mar quarter and the Apr-Jun quarter. Last year that drop was 23%. If MS had a similar drop this year then the 360 shipped 616,000 units. So X1 with those numbers shipped 484,000 units.
Xbox 360
FY Jl-Sp Oc-Dc Ja-Mr Ap-Jn FY LTD
2011/12 2.3 8.2 1.4 1.1 13.0 68.3
2012/13 1.7 5.9 1.3 1.0 9.9 78.2
2013/14 1.2 3.5 0.8 ??? 5.5 83.7
They've been playing nice with Steam lately--Fable HD is going to be on Steam. If they're smart, and they've been wising up lately, they'll see that Steam is an important entry point to hit on PC. PC gaming's a sector they really need to keep catering to, because we're always going to be buying desktops. I just hope they don't try to get greedy and funnel crap into the Windows store. I like/tolerate windows 8, I love my Surface Pro, but I do not want to use app stores like that.
Well obviously nobody released a press release to that effect, but iirc one of our sales agers a while back did a breakdown of their profits from PS1, PS2 and I think they included PSP as well and showed pretty definitively that they lost most if not all of the profits they made from those platforms due to PS3.
Here's an article back when it showed Sony lost more than ALL the profits from PS2 due to PS3. Back in 2008. So if you continue to count forward the losses after that year, you get a sense of how much they most of lost. Maybe another neoGAF can gather that back data for you though and show with the math how bad it was for you, since I don't have that data anymore. But yeah I'm almost certain it was PS1, PS2 and PSP profits.
I don't think Sony's hitting 100 million, imo. It's projecting out to perform like an 80 million system minus Japan, which will be the wildcard going forward. Those big Japanese games better start hitting soon and hope there's still fire in the water there.
A race between two consoles that might not even sell 30 million units. More of a stroll perhaps.
You can't play TloU:R on the Xbone :/
I really believe that SONYs exclusives are one of the problems for Microsoft.
Ok, WiiU is going to give the Xbox One an unexpectedly hard run for Place 2 this gen
So what is happening here?
Is it a case of 360 owners moving to PS4? Or is it 360 owners continuing to buy 360 games cause it's not worth upgrading to XB1 yet?
Or maybe it's both
Well according to NPD more people bought watchdogs for 360 than Xbone in june.
That's not saying much. There aren't anywhere near as many One's in the field than 360's.
Halo MCC kinect less bundle for $399 is almost inevitable, surely?
I can't see them price cutting yet, they won't want to be seen as too reactive which might cause people to just hold off for another price cut.
I don't think so. :S
A new Naughty Dog game like uncharted 4 would be a problem in 2015 holidays
So what is happening here?
Is it a case of 360 owners moving to PS4? Or is it 360 owners continuing to buy 360 games cause it's not worth upgrading to XB1 yet?
Or maybe it's both
That's not saying much. There aren't anywhere near as many One's in the field than 360's.
People need to start buying more xbones already.
It says their revenue is up 14%, isn't that good?
Thats a strange math. You are comparing oranges with apples.
Looking at the last quarters, the X360 being dropping sales at average of 57% compared to last fiscal year
Code:Xbox 360 FY Jl-Sp Oc-Dc Ja-Mr Ap-Jn FY LTD 2011/12 2.3 8.2 1.4 1.1 13.0 68.3 2012/13 1.7 5.9 1.3 1.0 9.9 78.2 2013/14 1.2 3.5 0.8 ??? 5.5 83.7
Q1 2013 vs Q1 2014 = 41% drop
Q2 2013 vs Q2 2014 = 68% drop
Q3 2013 vs Q3 2014 = 62% drop
So if X360 had a similar drop, it would be around 430K. For reference, the X360 had a 53% drop YoY in the last June NPD
I really think some people are underestimating TLOUR. Of course it's not going to sell like crazy but I think it's going to shift quite a lot of consoles.
Can they even go that low though... i'm having a hard time believing they could go down to 349.99, investors not happy and all that...
Yep, I can't see how it is going to get close to 50 million personally. Like you say, minus the UK, their marketshare in Europe has disintegrated .
I would estimate between 30-40 million before MS kills it with a successor or moves on to some other media box type offering.
I agree with you. I still think the xb1 will do fine at the end of the gen, but at the rate the ps4 is selling I think it will end up selling as well as the ps1 at the end of the gen everywere else besides Japan. There is no way the ps4 will sell as well as the ps1 in Japan anyway. A 45%+ decline is possible for the PS brand this gen in Japan. I think the ps4 is going to sell 5 million in Japan anyway no matter the software that releases on it. The console will sell better than the ps3 worldwide by 5-10 million most likely.
So what is happening here?
Is it a case of 360 owners moving to PS4? Or is it 360 owners continuing to buy 360 games cause it's not worth upgrading to XB1 yet?
Or maybe it's both
I don't think looking at QoQ fluctuations between different years is any more "apples vs oranges" than YoY.
200k monthly in the states? 7k per week in Japan? 100M?
Or, they can buy PS4 which costs the same and is a better console.
Sounds like PS2 generation.
I agree with you......but you can't just say it like that.
Why do they need to play nice? Windows is the only game in town for desktop PC gaming. They do not have to work to get customers at all.
I find it weird that they haven't forced funneling yet, its like free money. I'm really curious to see where they take things with 9.
The timing of it is excellent, that's for sure. It might not be a system seller, but it is certainly a system justifier.
Sony beat Microsoft worldwide last gen. So, what do you mean by this?
200k monthly in the states? 7k per week in Japan? 100M?
God damn it, MS. Now I will never be able to update this graph. :/
Well according to NPD more people bought watchdogs for 360 than Xbone in june.
I don't think 100 million is happening without Japan if I'm answering your post correctly. In order to sell 100 million overall I think the ps4 will have to sell significantly more than 5 million in Japan to get to 100 million worldwide.There's a good chance it can break 5 million in Japan, but higher than 7 million will be almost impossible for the ps4 in Japan.The PS4 is selling a bit better than the 360 currently in the US, but it probably won;t get above 40 million in the US at the end of the gen.
I agree with you. I still think the xb1 will do fine at the end of the gen, but at the rate the ps4 is selling I think it will end up selling as well as the ps1 at the end of the gen everywere else besides Japan. There is no way the ps4 will sell as well as the ps1 in Japan anyway. A 45%+ decline is possible for the PS brand this gen in Japan. I think the ps4 is going to sell 5 million in Japan anyway no matter the software that releases on it. The console will sell better than the ps3 worldwide by 5-10 million most likely.
We're missing the good part. If Xb1 continues to do really badly (and MS are still interested in a Xb2), then they might do an OG Xbox and cut things short to get a 12-24 month headstart on Sony. Nintendo might be tempted too. A staggered generation could be really interesting. Xb2 in 2017
God damn it, MS. Now I will never be able to update this graph. :/
We're missing the good part. If Xb1 continues to do really badly (and MS are still interested in a Xb2), then they might do an OG Xbox and cut things short to get a 12-24 month headstart on Sony. Nintendo might be tempted too. A staggered generation could be really interesting. Xb2 in 2017
Can't wait for panic mode Microsoft. Gonna get me a $299 Xbox One this Christmas
Or a $399 one with games bundled.
No, all it needs is to take the marketshare the Xbox is loosing in NA/Europe/UK, which seems to be exactly what's happening.