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Microsoft Q4: 1.1M XBO/360 Shipped
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LostInNoise
Member
How do I not know this?
Sounds like a cool store. So then they sell a ton of electronics?
Lol yeah, they sell a ton of everything. It's a pretty legit store, but it's currently only in Nebraska (obviously), Iowa, Kansas and is now coming to Texas, more specifically Dallas. I live near the one being built in Dallas and it is absolutely massive.
Ok, WiiU is going to give the Xbox One an unexpectedly hard run for Place 2 this gen
A race between two consoles that might not even sell 30 million units. More of a stroll perhaps.
Opus Angelorum
Member
Nevermind.
Thats a strange math. You are comparing oranges with apples.
Looking at the last quarters, the X360 being dropping sales at average of 57% compared to last fiscal year
Code:
Xbox 360
FY Jl-Sp Oc-Dc Ja-Mr Ap-Jn FY LTD
2011/12 2.3 8.2 1.4 1.1 13.0 68.3
2012/13 1.7 5.9 1.3 1.0 9.9 78.2
2013/14 1.2 3.5 0.8 ??? 5.5 83.7Q1 2013 vs Q1 2014 = 41% drop
Q2 2013 vs Q2 2014 = 68% drop
Q3 2013 vs Q3 2014 = 62% drop
So if X360 had a similar drop, it would be around 430K. For reference, the X360 had a 53% drop YoY in the last June NPD
Why do they need to play nice? Windows is the only game in town for desktop PC gaming. They do not have to work to get customers at all.
I find it weird that they haven't forced funneling yet, its like free money. I'm really curious to see where they take things with 9.
RandyBobandy
Banned
So what is happening here?
Is it a case of 360 owners moving to PS4? Or is it 360 owners continuing to buy 360 games cause it's not worth upgrading to XB1 yet?
Or maybe it's both
Is it a case of 360 owners moving to PS4? Or is it 360 owners continuing to buy 360 games cause it's not worth upgrading to XB1 yet?
Or maybe it's both
I agree with you. I still think the xb1 will do fine at the end of the gen, but at the rate the ps4 is selling I think it will end up selling as well as the ps1 at the end of the gen everywere else besides Japan. There is no way the ps4 will sell as well as the ps1 in Japan anyway. A 45%+ decline is possible for the PS brand this gen in Japan. I think the ps4 is going to sell 5 million in Japan anyway no matter the software that releases on it. The console will sell better than the ps3 worldwide by 5-10 million most likely.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Sounds like PS2 generation.
Blue Ranger
Neo Member
I don't think so. :S
A new Naughty Dog game like uncharted 4 would be a problem in 2015 holidays
Ok, WiiU is going to give the Xbox One an unexpectedly hard run for Place 2 this gen
Not quite, the Xbone is still ahead of the Wii U in terms of first 3 quarters. The Wii U would need to see some tremendous quarters to stay ahead of the curve
Jimmyfenix
Member
Well according to NPD more people bought watchdogs for 360 than Xbone in june.
Dreams-Visions
Member
That's not saying much. There aren't anywhere near as many One's in the field than 360's.
BananaSprinkles
Banned
*cringe*
That doesn't explain why more people bought it on the PS4 than any other console.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Yeah, I expect them to bundle MCC with the console and that will provide a nice bump, but they really need to be more aggressive and much sooner. Halo can't cure all ills the console is facing and while another price cut probably isn't possible just yet, I think they can make it a better proposition with value adds from their launch line up.
Digital DR3, Forza 5 and Ryse + one month of gold for the current RRP would be a pretty good start.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
I really think some people are underestimating TLOUR. Of course it's not going to sell like crazy but I think it's going to shift quite a lot of consoles. For me, an extra 50k - 70k WW isn't out of the question.
I think both Sony and Microsoft understood how lucrative the previous Wii owners market was and convert these consumers to either a PS4 or an Xbox One.
There was interview with Andrew House about the Wii and Sony have seen them transition over to the PS4.
Then explain why with less PS4s that platform was #1
Or, they can buy PS4 which costs the same and is a better console.
Bruno MB
Member
That increase in revenue is very misleading to measure the health of business since last year there wasn't a new $400-500 system.
I don't think looking at QoQ fluctuations between different years is any more "apples vs oranges" than YoY.
The timing of it is excellent, that's for sure. It might not be a system seller, but it is certainly a system justifier.
Dragonborn
Member
A while ago their were some promos where you could get like $75 XBL credit when upgrading. Had you told me a year ago that the X1 could be head for as little as $325 within 7 months of launch, I would have laughed... Honestly, I fully expect them to go that low and at this point, I won't settle for less. It's obvious MS will cut the price if we just wait.
Yup, I personally think it'll be something along the lines of:
NA: 20-25 million
UK - 5 million
Europe/Other - 10 million.
so 35-40 million lifetime. Anything more than that I just don't see happening unless they do something super drastic and even then, I don't see it (Short of a $200 price cut or something)
Blue Ranger
Neo Member
200k monthly in the states? 7k per week in Japan? 100M?
rokkerkory
Member
Probably both with some owners upgrading to X1 but definitely not enough.
theprodigy
Member
This is true, though it has plummeted a lot more in NPD, making a ~20% drop in shipments unlikely (it's probably a lot more).
Jimmyfenix
Member
Why not it is the fastest selling console ever?
Dragonborn
Member
Actually, I think this generation will mirror the PS1 generation.
I actually think you can. I mean, it's hard to accept, but maybe people just don't want the Xbox One? Or rather, not as much as they want a PS4.
SerTapTap
Member
They tried it with Games for Windows Live, which is quietly rotting on the vine. The glory of PC gaming is they can't really force anything beyond putting their products in a special store. And it's apparent that this is toxic enough to sales that it's not worth it to them, since Fable Anniversary's coming to Steam. If it sells well, I suspect others will follow.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Especially when you look at the line up for the rest of August, which isn't too shoddy either.
We dont know that. They are very very close.
I don't think 100 million is happening without Japan if I'm answering your post correctly. In order to sell 100 million overall I think the ps4 will have to sell significantly more than 5 million in Japan to get to 100 million worldwide.There's a good chance it can break 5 million in Japan, but higher than 7 million will be almost impossible for the ps4 in Japan.The PS4 is selling a bit better than the 360 currently in the US, but it probably won;t get above 40 million in the US at the end of the gen.
SmoothRunningGun
Member
All of this because of a stupid camera no one wanted and focusing on tv. I think/hope they will turn it around but nothing like digging a hole for yourself.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Best estimates suggest the Bone is at around 4.6-4.9 sold WW so far. Let's not forget that a huge 2 million of those were sold around launch.
So let's estimate that from between now the end of the year, another 3.5 million are sold WW. So we end up with 8.5 million in a little over a year.
Who knows, from next year, demand could certainly drop or it could pick up with a massive price cut. But the way Sony is hammering them with sales and 3rd party marketing support and games, I can't see them selling significantly over 8.5m ww each year. Call me crazy.
So if 8.5m is the average per year, you're looking at 42.5 million sold WW in 5 years on the market, 4 years from now, when I think this gen could come to an end,
So let's estimate that from between now the end of the year, another 3.5 million are sold WW. So we end up with 8.5 million in a little over a year.
Who knows, from next year, demand could certainly drop or it could pick up with a massive price cut. But the way Sony is hammering them with sales and 3rd party marketing support and games, I can't see them selling significantly over 8.5m ww each year. Call me crazy.
So if 8.5m is the average per year, you're looking at 42.5 million sold WW in 5 years on the market, 4 years from now, when I think this gen could come to an end,
A price drop can be possible to stomach if they offset it with software sales and especially Xbox Live subscriptions. They will be crunching numbers and decide if it's worth doing before hardware costs reduce. If no slim console is on the cards for 2015 sucking up a price cut for so long won't be very appealing even with the offsets.
SneakyStephan
Banned
God damn it, MS. Now I will never be able to update this graph. :/
wow, as a partly color blind person, a graph with like 7 colors that I can actually distinguish
Man, this sucks. I remember earlier this year (dont quote me) a rep from Microsoft saying something about they're gonna start making less consoles to allow retailers to sell through their inventories.
Hopefully Microsoft is able to make it big next gen, because by the looks of it - it's gonna be one loooooong struggle.
Hopefully Microsoft is able to make it big next gen, because by the looks of it - it's gonna be one loooooong struggle.
RandyBobandy
Banned
That's a problem in itself, too. You can't just ditch support for the 360 because it's still selling, but you need to get those 360 owners to get the XB1
Tough spot Microsoft are in
We're missing the good part. If Xb1 continues to do really badly (and MS are still interested in a Xb2), then they might do an OG Xbox and cut things short to get a 12-24 month headstart on Sony. Nintendo might be tempted too. A staggered generation could be really interesting. Xb2 in 2017
Dragonborn
Member
No, all it needs is to take the marketshare the Xbox is loosing in NA/Europe/UK, which seems to be exactly what's happening.
FalsettoVibe
Member
Can't wait for panic mode Microsoft. Gonna get me a $299 Xbox One this Christmas
Or a $399 one with games bundled.
Or a $399 one with games bundled.
It's going to be interesting to see what happens in Japan next. The game industry there is seriously dying from the inside if you're not like a mobile game of some sort. I'm not sure what is to be done. Hope VR works maybe...
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
We're missing the good part. If Xb1 continues to do really badly (and MS are still interested in a Xb2), then they might do an OG Xbox and cut things short to get a 12-24 month headstart on Sony. Nintendo might be tempted too. A staggered generation could be really interesting. Xb2 in 2017
I actually think that could happen.
These are basically mini-PCs in a box. 5-year cycle is highly likely.
God damn it, MS. Now I will never be able to update this graph. :/
Don't worry. They will eventually release concrete shipment sales again.
Dragonborn
Member
We're missing the good part. If Xb1 continues to do really badly (and MS are still interested in a Xb2), then they might do an OG Xbox and cut things short to get a 12-24 month headstart on Sony. Nintendo might be tempted too. A staggered generation could be really interesting. Xb2 in 2017
That's my worry and I really don't want that to happen. I won't buy it if they try pulling that. I'll just wait for the inevitable six month price cut.
Can't wait for panic mode Microsoft. Gonna get me a $299 Xbox One this Christmas
Or a $399 one with games bundled.
Be ambitious man, $299 with a game bunlded.
True, but at the same time the ps4 looks like it''s declining a bit in one of the PS brands key markets. I don't think it's safe anyway to make 100 million+ predictions for the ps4 right now because of what's happening in Japan and no one knows how well the console will sell outside Europe and NA.