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[Bunta]

..That is what the guy asked about.

He asked for a comparison to the PS3 version's shadows.

Yeah, I'm stupid and didn't bother to read the quote.

 

[Magicman103]

Uh, isn't that PS3?

He asked for a comparison to the PS3 version's shadows.

 

[Gbraga]

Friend sent me an example over PSN, he got his hands on the copy early, but you can see the difference.

30 FPS

60 FPS

This is a pretty huge difference.

But 30->60 is even bigger, so I'm sticking with that.

 

[leng jai]

The PS3 shadows must have looked pretty bad. I remember UC3 had horrible shadows.

 

[Wario64]

 

[Doctor_Thomas]

Considering it can be changed on the fly, I am going to say 60FPS for playing, 30FPS for photomode (assuming photomode doesn't use a higher LOD anyway)

 

[shinobi602]

Friend sent me an example over PSN, he got his hands on the copy early, but you can see the difference.

30 FPS

60 FPS

I think I might just wait for a price drop, this feels pretty deceitful.

 

[Slixshot]

I think I might just wait for a price drop, this feels pretty deceitful.

:O

 

[leng jai]

It seems kind of disappointing they couldn't achieve those shadows in 60fps for a last gen game, especially when you consider it's from a developer with the pedigree of Naughty Dog.

 

[Wishmaster92]

Another ps3 vs ps4 comparison

 

[gundamkyoukai]

I think I might just wait for a price drop, this feels pretty deceitful.

There is nothing deceitful about it , ND said we will get better shadows than the PS3 version at 60fps and we did .
They put in a 30fps option saw they had more power and made the shadows even better .

 

[VisceralBowl]

Just to hammer it in more:

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

Considering it can be changed on the fly, I am going to say 60FPS for playing, 30FPS for photomode (assuming photomode doesn't use a higher LOD anyway)

I may have had my head buried in the sand but framerate can be changed on the fly? In-game?

Pretty sweet if true.

 

[hohoXD123]

Wow, very significant difference indeed. Probably going to be noticing it much more now than I would have had I not seen the comparisons.

 

[Jimmyfenix]

I may have had my head buried in the sand but framerate can be changed on the fly? In-game?

Pretty sweet if true.

Yup it was same with Infamous!

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

Yup it was same with Infamous!

Wow great.

 

[Hubb]

Wow, very significant difference indeed. Probably going to be noticing it much more now than I would have had I not seen the comparisons.

It wont be so bad in motion

 

[gotstrangepowers]

I think I might just wait for a price drop, this feels pretty deceitful.

Haha, good one

 

[Jimmyfenix]

It wont be so bad in motion

60fps always wins in motion

 

[jett]

Another ps3 vs ps4 comparison

Honestly, the differences in the character models are really small. It just goes to show what a looker the game was on the PS3, and that it was really the higher quality lighting that made the difference in cut-scenes.

 

[TEH-CJ]

Another ps3 vs ps4 comparison

They look identical, or is that the joke?

 

[Nizz]

#team60

This. All day.

 

[benny_a]

You know why they call it 60 frames?

Because when you see it you turn 60 frames and walk away.

 

[leng jai]

Another ps3 vs ps4 comparison

Both look the same.

 

[reKon]

"Yeah, I was getting my ass handed to me on The Last of Us story on hard mode because I kept getting distracted by though awful looking shadows"

 

[off duty ninja]

OK, I have had a couple beers so this may sound ridiculous but the 30 fps shadows are almost too crisp to the point they aren't realistic. The 60 fps shadows have a bit of a more natural look because of the fuzzy look. The baggies kind of suck but they aren't that bad.

 

[KorrZ]

Damn that's a pretty big difference on the shadow quality...I might run this in 30 FPS. It'll still feel like a nice improvement over the 25ish of the PS3 version!

 

[Jimmyfenix]

You know why they call it 60 frames?

Because when you see it you turn 60 frames and walk away.

^^ this guy gets it

 

[Primethius]

OK, I have had a couple beers so this may sound ridiculous but the 30 fps shadows are almost too crisp to the point they aren't realistic. The 60 fps shadows have a bit of a more natural look because of the fuzzy look. The baggies kind of suck but they aren't that bad.

You're drunk. Go home and be a family man etc etc

 

[VisceralBowl]

They look identical, or is that the joke?

All about AA, filtering and resolution for that pic.

EDIT:
OH SHIT PS4 IS MISSING A SHADOW
PRE ORDER CANCELED
PS4 SMASHED
[sarcasm]

 

[SexyFish]

OK, I have had a couple beers so this may sound ridiculous but the 30 fps shadows are almost too crisp to the point they aren't realistic. The 60 fps shadows have a bit of a more natural look because of the fuzzy look. The baggies kind of suck but they aren't that bad.

 

[Slowdive]

OK, I have had a couple beers so this may sound ridiculous but the 30 fps shadows are almost too crisp to the point they aren't realistic. The 60 fps shadows have a bit of a more natural look because of the fuzzy look. The baggies kind of suck but they aren't that bad.

Edit: Beaten haha.

 

[Shin-Ra]

In that particular PS3-PS4 comparison the shadows are actually better on PS3, they may be half the res but they're filtered much better. The ivy in the background isn't casting a shadow on PS4 too.

It's as if manual filtering adjustments were made for certain scenes on PS3 and somehow they haven't brought them across.

 

[off duty ninja]

Exactly!!

Spoiler

Who the fuck is that anyways. Lol

 

[VisceralBowl]

In that particular PS3-PS4 comparison the shadows are actually better on PS3, they may be half the res but they're filtered much better. The ivy in the background isn't casting a shadow on PS4 too.

It's as if manual filtering adjustments were made for certain scenes on PS3 and somehow they haven't brought them across.

Actually a few things aren't casting shadows in that scene.

 

[Wishmaster92]

Honestly, the differences in the character models are really small. It just goes to show what a looker the game was on the PS3, and that it was really the higher quality lighting that made the difference in cut-scenes.

And that's the thing, it's probably using the cut-scene models but even they are very close to the ps3 realtime ones. The big difference comes from the lighting and the SSS.

B3D was talking about it:

Biggest defference in cutscenes, is the use of incredibly hand-tweaked lighting, made possible by a completely known and predictable coreography and camera angles. You can't have that on interactive segmentes, hence lighting is more physically correct, which usually also means, less dramatic and interesting looking. Someday someone might create a dynamic system that authors "cinematic" like -fake- lighting procedurally around important characters and other elements of the scene during gameplay, but that's not a trivial problem.

What I wonder is when we will have high precision lighting effects, shadows and enough light sources so that the models maintain quality consistency with the cut scene. The lighting is the biggest culprit.
On a cut scene there are multiple, softer light sources and shadows that blend together. On a typical gameplay model sometimes the light sources are two few.

Another problem is how light and shadows affect very tiny surfaces. The lighting and shadows dont appear correct on such surfaces. Such areas are usually wrinkles, nostrils, the little surface on the eyelids, and lips. So instead of showing dark depth they are highlighted. A nostril is highlighted for example instead of being darker due to blocked light.
The lighting and shadows ignore the fact that there is another surface above/below/around those tiny surfaces that should not let light highlight them. Surfaces on a model are "unaware" of each other's existence. Model surfaces react only to the direction of the light coming from the environment but do not react to the actual model geometry that may block light or enable lighting on itself.
http://beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=61285&page=77

 

[Mr Moose]

Actually a few things aren't casting shadows in that scene.

The first time I noticed no shadows on PS4 was the car scene at the start of the game (the furniture doesn't cast any). Not sure if they've fixed it, will have to find out on the 1st

Doesn't bother me, though

 

[jett]

In that particular PS3-PS4 comparison the shadows are actually better on PS3, they may be half the res but they're filtered much better. The ivy in the background isn't casting a shadow on PS4 too.

It's as if manual filtering adjustments were made for certain scenes on PS3 and somehow they haven't brought them across.

You're right, that's really weird.

Maybe Uncharted 4 should just be 30fps.

 

[VisceralBowl]

The first time I noticed no shadows on PS4 was the car scene at the start of the game (the furniture doesn't cast any). Not sure if they've fixed it, will have to find out on the 1st

Doesn't bother me, though

Well yeah, but the PS3 version didn't have shadows there either from what I recall. The pic we're talking about currently has an actual downgrade in that it does not have shadows that the PS3 version does.

 

[Konosuke]

All about AA, filtering and resolution for that pic.

EDIT:
OH SHIT PS4 IS MISSING A SHADOW
PRE ORDER CANCELED
PS4 SMASHED

Actually two shadows, look at the light bulb.

 

[VisceralBowl]

Actually two shadows, look at the light bulb.

Three. Ivy, light, and the end of the guard.

EDIT: NO, FOUR!! The pole at the end of the floor on that section isn't casting a shadow!

Here we go. Red circles is PS4 version.

 

[Hubb]

60fps always wins in motion

I mean the shadows wont be so bad in motion.

 

[-griffy-]

And that's the thing, it's probably using the cut-scene models but even they are very close to the ps3 realtime ones. The big difference comes from the lighting and the SSS.

That's exactly it. You can tell they are using the cutscene models by looking at the hair on Ellie's forehead. On PS3 it's noticeably pixelated and on PS4 it looks perfectly fine, as in the cutscenes. The overall texture quality on the characters is better as well.

 

[Darknight]

From the other thread:

I think if you dealt with this on PS3, you should play with 60FPS and the similar shadows on PS4. 60>30 any day if I have a choice.

 

[StuBurns]

As he faced the sun he cast no shadow.
CAASSSSTTTTTTT
As they took his soul they stole his pride.
CAASSSSSSSTTTTTTTT

 

[brickarts295]

Are you... are you guys seriously complaining about shadows...in a console game. *sigh*

 

[jett]

As he faced the sun he cast no shadow.
CAASSSSTTTTTTT
As they took his soul they stole his pride.
CAASSSSSSSTTTTTTTT

THE SHADOW REMAINS CAST

 

[Live Free or Die]

Are you... are you guys seriously complaining about shadows...in a console game. *sigh*

Yep..they are.

 

[Hubb]

Are you... are you guys seriously complaining about shadows...in a console game. *sigh*

Well we have a few days till it releases, you would prefer they go back to the ass talk? Or worse, the ass cat?

 

[VisceralBowl]

Are you... are you guys seriously complaining about shadows...in a console game. *sigh*

lol I don't really care. But it is a PS3 game running on a PS4, so removing the ability for certain objects to cast shadows seems a bit odd.

But really, I don't care. This has photomode.