The real question now is will we see any more games as stunningly beautiful as Killzone SF and iNfamous SS (and even Tomb Raider DE) on PS4 with this crazy PC crowd pursuit of 60fps. Oh what could have been... Now we're getting a game with same geometry and higher textures, but hey it's running at 60fps.
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TLOU Remastered: 30 fps option gives better shadow quality [Up: Comparison GIF in OP]
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Summer Haze
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There's a way to make your point without being obnoxious and loud you know... Calm down.
Yaphett Kotto
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supernormal
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When you say calling the shots, you understand ND decided to make the original TLOU you know and love at 30fps right. They could have catered to your preference and made it 60fps, but they made the choice to give "pretty bells and whistles" more importance. You think that was wrong choice?
Who says they won't make another 30fps game this gen, and blow us away with "pretty bells and whistles" as they did with the Last of Us. Are you gonna say they made the wrong choice, or are gonna enjoy the game how they decided to make it.
Fix this shit Guerrilla.
HORRORSHØW
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lol trolling hypocrites. great.
You understand ps3 only had 512 mb of ram right? Oh and they feel 30 frames feels broken?
supernormal
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And yet there's a bunch of 60fps games on it, they just don't look like The Last of Us.
Cave Johnson
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BumblebeeCody
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Both modes have shadow map bias issues. Where is your god now?I'm playing at 60fps, no doubt that's the only way to play it, but I tested 30fps and spotted missing shadows. Here's some screenshots.
60fps
30fps
60fps
30fps
HORRORSHØW
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druckman, druckman, lama sabachthani?
Man, You are all over this thread throwing mud at people who dare to point (and express disappointment) at them ps2 quality shadows in 60fps mode.
LapinAgile
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lol
Summer Haze
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Lol, that's a pretty black and white way of thinking. Are you suggesting it wouldn't be possible for me to both enjoy a ND game at 30fps, and think it was a wrong decision not to go with 60fps?
If they do decide to downgrade back to 30fps as a standard for their future titles, I will no doubt buy them day one, and enjoy the fuck out of them...but that won't stop me from wishing they were 60fps, because 60fps simply feels better and looks smoother to me.
I hope just hope ND will carry on catering to the 60fps crowd, and not the pretty bells and whistles crowd. Then again....TLOUR has both, so I see no reason why they can't cater to both crowds.
The 60fps shadows are still better than the PS3 shadows...so where are you getting PS2 from, exactly? Trolling? Yeah, I thought so.
Summer Haze
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So not only do you get a buttery smooth framerate if you choose to play at 60fps, you also get showed that actually join up with the objects that are casting them.
#justanotherreasontoplayat60
Grimløck;123137549 said:
LOL. That's awsome.
So a gimped 30fps AND 60 fps mode. Fantastic.
ND sure did go above and beyond for this remaster. /s
That's a possibility. Can someone test this?
I like that hypothesis but I think I read that it also happens when you reload from checkpoint.
But yeah restarting the game, setting the option and then loading the chapter and doing that for both places where we've seen an issue would be the ultimate test.
Why aren't you testing it?
I'll give it a try when I get the game, though my game hasn't even shipped yet so I don't know when I'll have it.
I haven't purchased it yet. This thread has put me off the game at its current price.
Summer Haze
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Yup, above 720p and beyond 30fps.
DJKippling
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So a last gen game upgraded cant run decent shadows at 60fps but yet the Uncharted 4 video was legit... hmmmm.
HORRORSHØW
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stop being such a try hard and actually address his claim that the 60fps shadows are better than the PS3 version's shadows.
also, go fetch those quotes about benny.
not this shit again. it's a merry-go-round of stupid in here.
but isn't that an in engine rendering ala TLOU? I have doubts the game will actually look like that. very very small doubts though.
TheCanisDirus
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(It is not mine, from @JoanAlfonsLopez)
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I'm more bothered by the missing shadows at 60fps, does it happen often? Otherwise I'll happily take 60fps over better shadows.
I don't understand your problem. If shadow quality is that important to you, play it at 30fps.
One game runs on an engine designed for the PS3, the other game runs on an engine optimized for the PS4.
Comparing the Remaster port to UC4 is like comparing apples to oranges.
Need new eyes? Dat MGS PS2 quality 60 fps shadow, mmmmm...
I don't understand your problem. If shadow quality is that important to you, play it at 30fps.
One game runs on an engine designed for the PS3, the other game runs on an engine optimized for the PS4.
Comparing the Remaster port to UC4 is like comparing apples to oranges.
There are cases where there are missing shadows on 30 FPS that are present on 60 FPS.
So did I have it backwards or are there missing shadows in both modes?
Considering that the entire rest of the graphical engine, animation, environment, clarity is improved at 60fps, strange that the one con of shadows counts so strongly. 30fps has that one thing better, 60fps has everything else better.
As such, until the gif comparison actually shows 30/60fps side by side, in motion, this sort of comparison is rendered void and can be disregarded.
As such, until the gif comparison actually shows 30/60fps side by side, in motion, this sort of comparison is rendered void and can be disregarded.
Based on what has been posted it seems to have missing shadows in both modes.
FWIW, the 60FPS mode still has better shadows than the PS3 version.
also wow this thread is still going strong
If it wasn't the shadows, it would be something else. You don't seem to understand that having the option of 30fps lock will always free up resources in comparison to the 60fps mode, so no matter what Naughty Dog did, you'd always ignorantly think it wouldn't be some kind of silly "definitive" version because Naughty Dog can do (& would do) more with the 30fps mode.
So they delay the game to optimize the 60fps to have better shadows. Then they'll have some freed up resources for the 30fps version to maybe have better AA or something else, and you'd still whine & moan about Naughty Dog being lazy and screwing people over and whatever other silly stuff you can come up with because the 60fps version doesn't have everything that the 30fps version does.
Windom Earle
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What are the chances ND is gonna implement this option again after this comical thread? This is why we can't have nice things.
I doubt this thread has even entered their headspace.
Grimløck;123143090 said:
Lol wut? Where did you come from? And what are you talking about.... I don't care about shadows on ps3. This thread is about PS4. Get with the program.
The willingness and the length some of you will go to defend and forgive this issue is amusing.
It's simple, bread knife jagged shadows in 60 fps need to be fixed. At least I hope they can be fixed. It is a shame that otherwise perfect version of this game would be stained with such an ugly issue.
And yes, if the price of 60 fps is lower graphics... I don't want it.
I had no problem with frame rate in iNfamous SS, Killzone SF or Tomb Raider DE and they all run in unlocked frame rate. My experience with these games was butter smooth and said games didn't take a hit in graphics department. TLOU Remastered on the other side in pursuing fabled 60fps obviously ( and sadly) had to compromise.
Also, You want quotes? Go fetch them yourself