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Destiny's raids will not support online matchmaking with random players.
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MustacheBandit_
Member
This is not a good move imo. The few players that I am friends with might not all be online at the times we want to raid. Grouping with randoms is part of the social interaction with multiplayer games and a way to meet new friends to game with. Yet another piece of info about this game that makes me lean towards passing on this title.
I don't understand this sentiment. If they added matchmaking, it's not like you would ever have to use it. You could still go to the forum and find 5 other people to play with and go about your merry way. It would just give the option for people to do it with randoms if they wanted to play that content with the convenience of matchmaking.
I really can't understand why they did this, so now I need to start looking for people
So, you wouldn't play with randoms even if you could, right? How would allowing matchmaking affect anything then?
DoubleTake
Member
I'm gonna need to recruit an A Team.
Then don't join up for a random raid? This would not have affected you at all.
Glass Shark
Banned
This feels like a step backwards, and really puts a damper on my anticipation for the game.
PseudoViper
Member
I'm on the fence with this one.
Yeah cause 'a random' won't be able to handle a tough boss by default.
Fine, so use your fixed group. But maybe let others also play raids, who have no fixed group or not so many friends who play the game. Maybe that would be neat, please?
I think you can still do that, you're just not going to be matchmade with those people. I'm assuming they don't mean "friends" on your friends list... just people you've teamed up with (aka fireteam).
I'm suspecting factions will have gathering places in the Tower where you can go meet up with others in your faction/clan etc... looking to do a raid. If you have a fireteam of 1-2 others, you can team up with other fireteams and jump in.
PooBone
Member
Six player raids? I have about six friends on PSN total.
I dunno about this game... for me and my personal play sessions it's sounding more and more like Bungie has left gamers like me behind. Why not just give the option to have public matchmaking, like all of their online endeavors in the Halo games?
I dunno about this game... for me and my personal play sessions it's sounding more and more like Bungie has left gamers like me behind. Why not just give the option to have public matchmaking, like all of their online endeavors in the Halo games?
Maintenance
Member
I'm not him, but hardcores in WoW's case still have (or had, been a long time since I last played) Hard Mode to showcase their e-peens, so what have changed? If you want hard content, there is hard content. Having one does not exclude the other.
Xamtheking
Member
You can group with randoms everywhere else
My sense of accomplishment doesn't change based on other players completing content.
CambriaRising
Member
Not sure how I feel about this.
A solution to this would actually be an in game list of LFG players allowing something like a Raid with not enough people to pick and choose someone they would want to invite.
Add an option to inspect players on the list remotely, so raid leaders can see that they're not using awful gear. Maybe a brief message that can be set by the player that the raid group can see in the LFG browsing window.
They have the hooks in place to inspect players already, and a fairly robust in game friend list. Tweak it to allow an in game browser of people
From a player perspective - they can set their LFG flag on, go off and do some other activities.
If a raid with 5 players need one more person, they can browse a list of players looking for a raid and invite the one that looks good to them.
TL;DR - something like the Flex Raiding system from WoW - instead of matchmaking form a raid from a list of players in game.
There will always be a small group of people that may be short a few people on a given night - instead of calling it off they can still pick up people to at least give it a try.
Add an option to inspect players on the list remotely, so raid leaders can see that they're not using awful gear. Maybe a brief message that can be set by the player that the raid group can see in the LFG browsing window.
They have the hooks in place to inspect players already, and a fairly robust in game friend list. Tweak it to allow an in game browser of people
From a player perspective - they can set their LFG flag on, go off and do some other activities.
If a raid with 5 players need one more person, they can browse a list of players looking for a raid and invite the one that looks good to them.
TL;DR - something like the Flex Raiding system from WoW - instead of matchmaking form a raid from a list of players in game.
There will always be a small group of people that may be short a few people on a given night - instead of calling it off they can still pick up people to at least give it a try.
MustacheBandit_
Member
That still doesn't help me when I want to Raid and my friends are not online to play.
It's like people have never heard of a "private game."
GoodCoffeeJoey
Banned
Good luck getting six players together at once. I thought Bungie would have learned their lesson here with ODST.
Ivory Samoan
Gold Member
They didn't say you can't make a group up in the tower then hit the Raid, did they?
I'm thinking people don't have to be on your IRL Friends list, just an organised group... could be completely wrong here, but that would make more sense (to me at least).
I'm thinking people don't have to be on your IRL Friends list, just an organised group... could be completely wrong here, but that would make more sense (to me at least).
If you truly believe that LFR hasn't diminished the sense of accomplishment in WoW raiding compared to a pre-LFR raiding environment I don't believe you've actually participated in heroic raiding for any serious length of time.
It has nothing to do with other players completing the content... I'm speaking about your own sense of accomplishment. You go in and clear SoO lfr and it diminishes the sense of excitement and accomplishment of normal/heroic. And before you say, then don't play LFR - it's not always that simple.... and I can elaborate if you wish.
This is just a terrible sentiment.
McLargepants
Neo Member
Then don't do matchmaking! Having matchmaking wouldn't make the experience worse for you, someone who would rather not play with randoms. Instead of giving me the option to have a probably subpar, but easily playable experience, that's a part of the game I'll never be able to play.
How is that good?
Succinct Verbosity
Member
Honestly, I think it'd be easier to find five people in matchmaking willing to sacrifice hours of their life for a raid than my friends. Most of my friends -and most adults in general- don't want to spend all of their time playing a single raid.
The only way this works is with a robust clan/guild system that allows clans/guildmembers to group up and be treated like "friends" for the purposes of this requirement. If we have to manually add 5 other people as friends to raid, that's just dumb.
Kssio_Aug
Member
Well, that probably just killed any intention I had to buy this game later tbh.
I dont have a single personal friend that have a Xone or PS4, and those who intend to buy dont play the same games as I play usually, and probably some lf them cant even play at the same hours that I can. Also, even with GAF I cant see myself waiting an entire organized group formation to try a more then a hour mission. That seems TOO MUCH time dedication for a single match.
I guess this game is just not for me. I will accept that now.
I dont have a single personal friend that have a Xone or PS4, and those who intend to buy dont play the same games as I play usually, and probably some lf them cant even play at the same hours that I can. Also, even with GAF I cant see myself waiting an entire organized group formation to try a more then a hour mission. That seems TOO MUCH time dedication for a single match.
I guess this game is just not for me. I will accept that now.
They say voice chat is a necessity in Raids due to difficulty.
Xamtheking
Member
I read it
You were talking about how "grouping with randoms" is needed in a multiplayer game and it sounded like you were talking about not being able to random-group across the game not just Raids
I feel your pain though
Apparently you WILL be able to do this
Yeah, this is what I tried to point out but I don't think anyone noticed my posts.
It's like co-op with friends in the Souls series: You can do it, but it's not what the devs had in mind so there are some compromises and workarounds involved.
That sounds like a good alternative.
JetBlackPanda
Member
Yes but that isn't the reason raids don't have matchmaking.
You can do a Raid without a single person having a mic.
SerTapTap
Member
Actually only PVP really has match-making. Other people are kind of there in PvE but it's debatable whether you're "playing with them", and they're not able to enter the boss room with your fireteam.
What is the exact reason then?
bigbaldwolf86
Banned
But with no open chat an no text chat that will be pretty much impossible to do unless you message every individual through PSN.
Exactly. If they really want to they could mention somewhere on the menu that it's probably not a good idea to use matchmaking, but like you said give me the option. Random people doesn't necessarily have to be a bad thing either. If the content is marked as really hard and long specific players will probably gravitate towards it and that will take care of "bad" randoms.
And how does giving an option to allow those who don't mind playing with randoms effect you? Both things can co-exist.
But how would you do that if there's no way to communicate with other players? Invite people at random? Have the community form a secret handshake system where dancing in a secluded corner of the tower signifies your willingness to join a raid?
You can set your fireteam status to open, which lets people join you as soon as they highlight your character.