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[Gotdatmoney]

I feel like all MS can really do is try and position itself as a cheaper way to play all the major games coming out. This is what happens when you have 2 consoles that are exactly the same. The market will just try to pick one dominant one and stick with it. Last generation Xbox managed to gain the majority of the sales in America while Europe (besides the UK) was decidedly playstation. This gen, everyone (except Japan I guess) just went playstation similar to the 6th Gen.

 

[Daria]

Incoming $250-300 bundle on Black Friday at this rate.

 

[N.Domixis]

Lol, I can smell the desperation in the air. Won't do anything. It's over for them in Europe.

 

[Miles X]

Are you seriously trying to argue it is selling well in Germany?

Come on man. There hasn't been more than 2 games in the top 50 in the German charts for months iirc.

Where did I say it was selling well? I said it was nearly on track for the same marketshare 360 got vs PS3. Why on earth would anybody expect more?

 

[Vinterbird]

I hope for Microsoft that they get more sales because the system is really good, has many games i want. It's actually the system i'm gonna play the most this fall/winter because the games coming for it are better than PS4 imo (Sunset Overdrive, Halo MCC and Forza Horizon 2...). People on forums talk about the difference in hardware as if it was a PS3 vs PS1 difference, too much hate that is getting kinda old now.

There are many things the Xbox One does better than the competition, quality of controller and network stability are one of them. But to each his own i guess, i just hope we don't get a dominating PS4 because that wouldn't be good for the industry overall and i especially don't want to see a cocky Sony.

Yeah, i the hate is getting comedic at this point. Everyone attacks Microsoft no matter what they do, say or release. It's sad that it's being painted as Savior Sony and Monster Microsoft.

They both do smart and bad stuff, but it feels like people are much more prone to attacking Microsoft rather then Sony. But it could also just be that it happens during my time zone and when I visit gaf. We're all getting crazy cool games, why not enjoy them and sure, some run at an lower resolution then full HD and there is some not games focus here and there, but why not take what we can get and have fun with that.

 

[Gabotron ES]

Damm good news!

 

[Guymelef]

Also when a market speaks price is not always the solution.
Remember the Gamcube at 99€?

 

[Shining Sunshine]

Personally, I think people want games for the console, not a price drop.

 

[many places]

Didn't buy a XB360 for any price and certainly will not do so for a XBOne.

You're such a cool anti microsoft guy.

 

[tbm24]

Personally, I think people want games for the console, not a price drop.

That's likely why the price drop would happen now, before the influx of the fall/holiday game season, of which both consoles are going to be looking pretty darn healthy. Neither side will be dissatisfied and if there ever a good point to jump into next gen, it's this holiday season.

 

[EdwardTeach]

I am not that interested in the xbone, the main exclusive I might be interested in is the halo HD repack. It would probably need to be below 200 to tempt me.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

Where did I say it was selling well? I said it was nearly on track for the same marketshare 360 got vs PS3. Why on earth would anybody expect more?

Er...why would anyone expect more? Say that to MS investors, knowing what the insane budget is for the console.

It's performing far below expectations.

 

[DudeWithNoName]

Personally, I think people want games for the console, not a price drop.

That's my thought as well. Everyone is just waiting for decent new games to come out. With Sunset Overdirve, Forza and Halo coming this fall, that's what will sell consoles. The price drop just makes the decision easier for some.

 

[Final Verdict]

Hate implies strong feeling.
The feeling he describes, that also applies to me, is not hate. It is...indifference.
Europeans en masse just don't give a shit about Xbone, and there are many reasons for that. MS's past behaviour and policies, weak hardware, forced Kinect until a month ago, TV focused E3...
Personally I do not know a single person who owns Xbox (any Xbox, not just Xbone). Everyone owns PC, and few people own PS3s. Central Europe here.

wow, so it really is just that dead in europe...

Where I live (US) a lot of people own either PS3, 360, or in a lot of cases both.
Also know a good bit of people who have gotten either the PS4 or X1, yet I don't know anyone who has a gaming PC besides myself. :/

 

[Curufinwe]

Conclusion, hyperbole.

If XB1 sold 25k more than it has this year in Germany, it would be on the same lifetime track vs PS4 as 360 was with PS3 (i.e half).

Conclusion, this is going to be a rough generation for you if you're already resorting to hypothetically inflating XB1 sales figures.

 

[Ray Wonder]

That's my thought as well. Everyone is just waiting for decent new games to come out. With Sunset Overdirve, Forza and Halo coming this fall, that's what will sell consoles. The price drop just makes the decision easier for some.

This is exactly what my friends that are getting XB1's are saying. This fall is when they're grabbing on so they have something to play.

 

[AnthonypUK]

Where did I say it was selling well? I said it was nearly on track for the same marketshare 360 got vs PS3. Why on earth would anybody expect more?

But its not nearly on track, its well behind. last gen its said in the other thread ps3 was double the 360 so this gen with PS4 sales being 540k, they should be at 270k but they're at 170k so they arent on track for the same, they're massively behind.

Microsoft expect more...

http://www.*****************/2013/1...aims-to-conquer-40-market-share-for-xbox-one/

"The Xbox One has just launched in Germany and in quite a few other European countries, and the General Manager of the German branch of Microsoft’s Xbox Division Oliver Kaltner has big plans for the future.
Speaking in an interview on the German finance magazine Euro am Sonntag, Kaltner mentioned that demand for the new console is already 40% higher in the strategically valuable European country than what the company can initially provide. He also added that the goal for the upcoming years is to increase the market share for the console from the current 30% to 40%."

 

[Chobel]

Conclusion, hyperbole.

If XB1 sold 25k more than it has this year in Germany, it would be on the same lifetime track vs PS4 as 360 was with PS3 (i.e half).

Wat? What Math are you using?

 

[Miles X]

Er...why would anyone expect more? Say that to MS investors, knowing what the insane budget is for the console.

It's performing far below expectations.

Gees, get a grip, you're being completely unrealistic. I'm talking about common sense here not about the lofty unachieveable hopes of investors. You just can't admit that Xb1 isn't doing that bad when you look at PS3 vs 360 last gen.

Xbox has never been close to Playstation there, nothing has changed, you're just being dramatic.

 

[gruenel]

Conclusion, hyperbole.

If XB1 sold 25k more than it has this year in Germany, it would be on the same lifetime track vs PS4 as 360 was with PS3 (i.e half).

You're mixing up 2013 and 2014 numbers.

If Xbone sold 75k more, it'd be half.

Also in Germany, the PS4 was almost impossible to get in stores until 2 or 3 months ago. The numbers are only going to get worse.

 

[Shining Sunshine]

That's likely why the price drop would happen now, before the influx of the fall/holiday game season, of which both consoles are going to be looking pretty darn healthy. Neither side will be dissatisfied and if there ever a good point to jump into next gen, it's this holiday season.

A price cut isn't going to challenge PS4's current library. I'm saying PS4 is triple or double the amount of games found on Xbone.

There's Sunset Overdrive, and I think Project Spark, but when everyone has tied third party games to PS4, those won't be shifting the scene even with a price cut.
Especially since TLOU is out, and then Driveclub, Littlebigplanet 3, and all those good indie console exclusives.

 

[Boombloxer]

Say what you want about the Xbox One and Microsoft's shitty policy and u-turns, but don't say the console isn't offering good games because that's really ignorant. Killer Instinct, Forza 5, Crimson Dragon, Titanfall and the other multiplats are pretty good and it'll soon have much better things like Ori, MC Collection, Sunset, Forza Horizon 2, etc.

I have all three next-gen consoles and right now, the PS4 is the one I use less, even with the PS+ games.

None of this applies to the price cut. In this case, market is speaking, and it's clear that at least in the EU, no one is enticed by any of them. Much better is largely subjective, the only real barometer is sales.

And those say that it doesn't matter if you think the games are better, the majority does not. It isn't enough.

I'm talking about common sense here not about the lofty unachieveable hopes of investors

Unachievable or not, the situation remains. Common sense would actually dictate a different course of action, as it doesn't generate the same revenue as any of their large pillars, that's their gripe.

 

[no0ne]

A price cut isn't going to challenge PS4's current library. I'm saying PS4 is triple or double the amount of games found on Xbone.

There's Sunset Overdrive, and I think Project Spark, but when everyone has tied third party games to PS4, those won't be shifting the scene even with a price cut.
Especially since TLOU is out, and then Driveclub, Littlebigplanet 3, and all those good indie console exclusives.

Triple the amount of games? Are you including indie titles in the grand delusion of over exaggeration you just made?

 

[Pancakes R Us]

Also when a market speaks price is not always the solution.
Remember the Gamcube at 99€?

Yep. Was £79.99 here in the UK. Small burst and then death. This'll be the 2nd Xmas for both consoles, so I think Microsoft has an opportunity to do a price drop and good bundling with perhaps 2 games to try and get the gift-buying crowd. I think that if Xbox is still way behind Sony this holiday season, they'll probably remain behind the rest of the generation.

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

There is nothing wrong with playing 3rd party games on X1. Some people on here have this concept that you will somehow have less fun playing a game on X1 just because another version has a few more pixels, or slightly better AA, and that is simply ridiculous.

That's not the real reason: these consoles are incredibly social now and when 7/10 people are going for the PS4, most of the social activity will naturally be on the PS4. Since so many games are being built w/ social integration these days, you absolutely can have a worst experience playing on XBO vs. PS4 if the people aren't there.

It's like trying to play Street Fighter on PS3 vs. 360; the bulk of the players are on 360, especially the good ones. And half the fun of a fighting game is your competition.

Triple the amount of games? Are you including indie titles in the grand delusion of over exaggeration you just made?

Are you even seen the release charts?

 

[TheRealTalker]

I can see that happening at Gamescom

 

[digoutyoursoul]

A price cut isn't going to challenge PS4's current library. I'm saying PS4 is triple or double the amount of games found on Xbone.

There's Sunset Overdrive, and I think Project Spark, but when everyone has tied third party games to PS4, those won't be shifting the scene even with a price cut.
Especially since TLOU is out, and then Driveclub, Littlebigplanet 3, and all those good indie console exclusives.

If you are going to make this sort of post then at the very least know exactly what each system is offering this holiday.

 

[Jomjom]

Triple the amount of games? Are you including indie titles in the grand delusion of over exaggeration you just made?

Oh right indies arent games. That crazy delusional poster.

 

[Donos]

I wasn't on NeoGaf back in the early ps3 days when it ran most 3rd party games slightly worse than the 360, but can't help but wonder if people said the same sort of things about it back then?

I think years from now once next gen is here, we will look back to these early days of PS4/X1 and realize just how small the difference really was between the two consoles.

There is nothing wrong with playing 3rd party games on X1. Some people on here have this concept that you will somehow have less fun playing a game on X1 just because another version has a few more pixels, or slightly better AA, and that is simply ridiculous.

This isn't like a generation leap in difference ....Just like the PS3-360, I never could tell much difference in quality for most 3rd party games that were supposedly 'worse', and the same is true with the X1.

Early PS3 on GAF (and internet) was a running joke.People laughed at CELL who was supposed to be the uberchip. And every big multiplat game got lenthy thread with comparisons, sometimes with only little differences.

And it settled pretty early that XB360 was almost always the multiplat version to get.

Will be the same for PS4 XB1.The cloud won't change that. That is also something that carries over the boundaries of the "internet-forum-nerds".

 

[Hoo-doo]

Triple the amount of games? Are you including indie titles in the grand delusion of over exaggeration you just made?

Why wouldn't you include indies, honestly? Both console offer them and some of them are ridiculously popular.

 

[DieH@rd]

When are mods gonna fix the thread title? Store classified this as a mistake.

 

[Shining Sunshine]

Triple the amount of games? Are you including indie titles in the grand delusion of over exaggeration you just made?

Am I not supposed to be including indie titles?
Even titles like Pure Pool and Pure Chess aren't even on Xbone.

 

[DudeWithNoName]

Why wouldn't you include indies, honestly? Both console offer them and some of them are ridiculously popular.

LOL listwarz.

 

[Jomjom]

Am I not supposed to be including indie titles?
Even titles like Pure Pool and Pure Chess aren't even on Xbone.

Duh get with the program. Indies are garbage, not games. If you are paying for those, you just bought garbage.

 

[lefantome]

 

[TRI Mike]

None of this applies to the price cut. In this case, market is speaking, and it's clear that at least in the EU, no one is enticed by any of them. Much better is largely subjective, the only real barometer is sales.

And those say that it doesn't matter if you think the games are better, the majority does not. It isn't enough.

But the majority isn't always right, especially when it comes to video games. Last gen brought way too many casual players and people who had never played much before to the hobby. Those are the ones that keep things like CoD, Assassin's Creed, Fifa and Madden going year after year while the rest of the IPs barely make any profit, even if they are better games.

The Xbox One isn't selling because of Microsoft's policy, anyone who looks it up in five minutes learns about the TV, DRM, always-online and forced Kinect bullshit. But the truth remains that the catalog of games is actually pretty good on all three consoles. Software isn't the problem here. Trust me.

 

[Hoo-doo]

Duh get with the program. Indies are garbage, not games. If you are paying for those, you just bought garbage.

I bought 12€ of Rogue Legacy garbage last night

Spoiler

it's actually one of the best games i've played in months. Not kidding either!

 

[T.O.P]

A price cut isn't going to challenge PS4's current library. I'm saying PS4 is triple or double the amount of games found on Xbone.

There's Sunset Overdrive, and I think Project Spark, but when everyone has tied third party games to PS4, those won't be shifting the scene even with a price cut.
Especially since TLOU is out, and then Driveclub, Littlebigplanet 3, and all those good indie console exclusives.

If wikipedia can be remotely reliable we have

PS4
Playable = 91 games available to purchase (10 of these are exclusive to PS4)

X1
Playable = 59 games available to purchase (12 of these are exclusive to Xbox One)


More games? okay


Double or triple the amount? hyperbole


And yes, indies are on the list

 

[aygomyownroad]

The Xbox One is a great platform. A price cut wouldn't help that much in some regions, but could sway some.

The PS4 is more powerful, yes and no doubt it will continue to be in front in terms of graphical out put.

MS are doing well to turn public perception after the disaster that was e3 in 2013.

There are some great looking and fun exclusives coming to the Xbox One, like Sunset Overdrive and Forza H2. (Also Halo collection is worthy of a mention as well - 4 games!).

For some people no matter what the price they won't buy one after the backlash. But they will miss out on some great games. And on the flip side, people will miss out on ps4 exclusives when they start coming out.

 

[Moonstone]

But its not nearly on track, its well behind. last gen its said in the other thread ps3 was double the 360 so this gen with PS4 sales being 540k, they should be at 270k but they're at 170k so they arent on track for the same, they're massively behind.

Microsoft expect more...

http://www.*****************/2013/1...aims-to-conquer-40-market-share-for-xbox-one/

"The Xbox One has just launched in Germany and in quite a few other European countries, and the General Manager of the German branch of Microsoft’s Xbox Division Oliver Kaltner has big plans for the future.
Speaking in an interview on the German finance magazine Euro am Sonntag, Kaltner mentioned that demand for the new console is already 40% higher in the strategically valuable European country than what the company can initially provide. He also added that the goal for the upcoming years is to increase the market share for the console from the current 30% to 40%."

Yes that quote was ridiuolous but Oliver Kaltner left MS 4 month ago. He probably was still in the mindset that TVTV will rule the world and sell hundreds of million boxes.

New CCG Head of Germany was interviewed at E3 and he didn't make such statements. But he promised that 45 apps will come till the end of year (in germany).

 

[Exploratory]

Indies are great everyone but many casual gamers couldn't give any less of a shit about them. Thankfully they'll keep making great indies I love but...yeah most people don't include that in their purchasing decision.

 

[knitoe]

But the majority isn't always right, especially when it comes to video games. Last gen brought way too many casual players and people who had never played much before to the hobby. Those are the ones that keep things like CoD, Assassin's Creed, Fifa and Madden going year after year while the rest of the IPs barely make any profit, even if they are better games.

The Xbox One isn't selling because of Microsoft's policy, anyone who looks it up in five minutes learns about the TV, DRM, always-online and forced Kinect bullshit. But the truth remains that the catalog of games is actually pretty good on all three consoles. Software isn't the problem here. Trust me.

Nope. It's wasn't selling because it is a noticeable weaker and more expensive console. These days, with instant social media, BS marketing can't hide that fact. At the same price, still no reason to get a X1 over a PS4. Slightly cheaper won't do it either. Maybe, if it was 1/2 the price, it might make a difference this gen.

 

[Final Boss]

Yeah you're right, f nintendo for their stupid ambassador program. Being nice to your most loyal customers clearly isn't the way to go....

Of course early adopters aren't entitled to something like that. But they SHOULD get something nevertheless. The last thing ms should be doing right now is pissing off their fans, no matter if fans have a right to be pissed or not. And again: I want free stuff!

These fans aint loyal


All these so called "Xbox fans" have converted to PS4, every gen it's a new leader it seems

 

[Steroyd]

The Xbox One is a great platform. A price cut wouldn't help that much in some regions, but could sway some.

If we judge on the 360's performance there's only really 2 regions where it might make a notable difference but at the same time the gain might not be worth it in terms of money being sunk to the cause.

I just can't see a price cut do anything at all in Europe all because the PS3 was significantly more expensive but still outsold Xbox 360 enough to make the US X360's lead negligible.

 

[Ol No Bones]

They need to get to 299 quick and then the battle will heat up.

 

[Leyasu]

Yeah..right into Xbox division bankruptcy (technical, not actual)

This console needs as short a lifespan as possible, it's been a mistake from day one

MS should just cut their losses and bring a true next gen machine to market in 2-3yrs time, still x86 based to ensure BC but free of all the Don Mattrick baggage that's been so disastrous for the entire brand.

I have to agree with this. The xbone was dead before it even launched. They need to get this gen over as quickly as possible

 

[aygomyownroad]

I have to agree with this. The xbone was dead before it even launched. They need to get this gen over as quickly as possible

Not at all. Its a marathon (Especially if last gen was anything to go by) not a sprint.

They would lose more fans if they release a console quickly (Like what Sega did too often in my opinion with Mega CD, 32X, Saturn).

They need to stay the course. The longer the generation goes on the more people will buy an Xbox one as another console (If they have a ps4) especially if they keep a good output of exclusives.

Everyone needs to get a main console and another one. Its wrong to go through a console generation with only one console and everyone should be buying a

Spoiler

wiiU

as their second console....

Xbox One Is the next WiiU... It will come good with the games.

 

[DWinn7]

Incoming $250-300 bundle on Black Friday at this rate.

I would compulsively buy it. I'm waiting on some insane black friday bundle for both the XB1 and WiiU

 

[dcx4610]

To be fair, a Kinect-less Xbone SHOULD be $350 based on its system specs. It still reeks of desperation though. Sadly, it will probably work and at least get them caught up with Sony.

 

[DudeWithNoName]

To be fair, a Kinect-less Xbone SHOULD be $350 based on its system specs. It still reeks of desperation though. Sadly, it will probably work and at least get them caught up with Sony.

Sadly? Really?