Mixolydian
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Serious question (feel free to check post history, not a shit-starter), are there any female pros for halo? Would love to see that.
Or did you mean commentating?
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Serious question (feel free to check post history, not a shit-starter), are there any female pros for halo? Would love to see that.
Or did you mean commentating?
Ape Gone Insane
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The only one I remember is Xena.
I think there were a few semi-pro ones. They would compete at the MLG tourneys but the teams they were on wouldn't make it too far.
Commentating could work, but there isn't exactly a large pool of women available that could do it.
MLG used to have some attractive lady going around interviewing people but thats about it.
Chiming in to this... I do agree that the dig was unnecessary, albeit that the games were sub par from a competitive standpoint. But I think that it is also vital that the community recognize the fact that developers do get bored especially when replicating the same game (more or less) every 3 years - and this probably attributed to some of the "new features" that were included with Reach. Also worth consideration is that developers have input, but don't get the final say when deciding what and what not to include in Intellectual Properties.
The biggest benefit to the community now (from a development standpoint) is that 343i has been created solely for Halo, meaning that 90-100% of the people in the company are extremely passionate about development of the Halo series; whereas Bungie evolved to Halo (previous games were things like Marathon, Oni, and Myth). From what I have seen and read about the future for Halo - things are looking much more hopeful for both the competitive scene, and Halo fans in general.
My biggest thing with Halo was always that the gameplay was balanced and fair (same starting weapons, and equal opportunity to battle for better ones), and extremely well thought out, memorable maps. I can think of more maps in Halo 1, 2, 3 individually than I can Halo Reach or 4.
ViewtifulJC
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What I'm still confused about to this day is how a team of so many smart and passionate Halo fans and devs, could look at alllllllll the criticisms of Reach...and then make Halo 4.
Mixolydian
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Ah, I see.
Just found out that Xena joined Bungie. I'd love to see precisely what people like her do to help tune the game. I imagine its feedback for things like level feel/flow, weapons, and controller responsiveness among other obvious things.
There have always been a decent amount of women over the years at MLG tournament, even some at the recent AGL events during Halo 4.
People have brought up Xena already, there was also Smiley. Here's an article about when they did it.
Fudgepuppy
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So, did they implement the reticle-bloom from Halo Reach into H2A, because it looks like it from those Gamersyde vids.
Julie Alexandria used to do floor interviews during MLG Halo tournaments.
Other than that it was pretty much all guys from what I can remember.
Other than that it was pretty much all guys from what I can remember.
super-heated plasma
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How is it that I am super excited to buy a game(s) that I already own, and have played several times again and again over the years?? Only Halo could do this to me. It's pretty damn phenomenal when you think about it!
VisceralBowl
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The best part of this is the ending.
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FUNKNOWN iXi
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It's pretty bizarre how the fanbase universally despised the existence of a Camo AA in Reach:
Only for it to return and be better/more accessible (custom loadouts for most playlists) than it was before:
And we'll never know why.
rokkerkory
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haha nice
EroticSushi
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The Librarian
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Yeah, I only mentioned it because 343's bulletin lists pro players and there aren't any women on there. (Unless, of course, I'm missing one). I understand it's kind of hard to find pro players that are women because it takes years to become that good and not a lot of women grew up playing games like Halo, but maybe we could see a female announcer in addition to Bravo (who's amazing)?
PanicFreak
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It's crazy that they started not liking Halo after the first one but commit to ten years of support for Destiny.
Poodlestrike
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The thing is, the best announcers in pretty much everything are former pros themselves, so there's a bit of a chicken and egg situation going on
I agree though, seeing more women in competitive Halo would be nice. I suspect the MCC will help with that, actually. The demographics of gaming have shifted considerably since the last pro-friendly Halo came out.
squidhands
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The best way to get developers to treat you like adults who want to engage in a meaningful critiqe of a game to suit your desires as a competitive community it to first act like adults and not take petulant jabs at what you (as a community) don't like. You, CyRen, can easily lead the way for Team Beyond.
Is it too early to start speculating what will be announced at the next convention (PAX Prime August 29-Sep 1)? They said on the most recent Halo Bulletin they will have a panel that Saturday from 11AM to Noon so I imagine the format will be similar to the others so far.
My speculation is they will talk about Forge since they said they would at Gamescom. Full Halo 4 type Forge (with some new features I would assume) for the Anniversary maps. Halo 3 and 4 Forge as you remember them intact for those games? Also, they will need to reveal the next mulitplayer map which I gotta assume will be Lockout. Or, they will save Lockout reveal for last and reveal the other map which nobody really knows what it will be. My guess is Terminal but we will see. Either way, I'm hyped for any Halo MCC info we get. Maybe they will actually not reveal a new map but instead finally show gameplay from Coag or Zanzibar. They also announced they will have another tourney at this conference so maybe they will do the same thing they did with Sanctuary and reveal Lockout and make it playable!
So, after PAX Prime, that leaves more info about playlists, possibly 1 (or 2) anniversary maps left to reveal, showing off gameplay from Halo CE multiplayer, Halo 3 multiplayer/campaign, Halo 4 multiplayer/campaign left.
My speculation is they will talk about Forge since they said they would at Gamescom. Full Halo 4 type Forge (with some new features I would assume) for the Anniversary maps. Halo 3 and 4 Forge as you remember them intact for those games? Also, they will need to reveal the next mulitplayer map which I gotta assume will be Lockout. Or, they will save Lockout reveal for last and reveal the other map which nobody really knows what it will be. My guess is Terminal but we will see. Either way, I'm hyped for any Halo MCC info we get. Maybe they will actually not reveal a new map but instead finally show gameplay from Coag or Zanzibar. They also announced they will have another tourney at this conference so maybe they will do the same thing they did with Sanctuary and reveal Lockout and make it playable!
So, after PAX Prime, that leaves more info about playlists, possibly 1 (or 2) anniversary maps left to reveal, showing off gameplay from Halo CE multiplayer, Halo 3 multiplayer/campaign, Halo 4 multiplayer/campaign left.
My comments were more towards Bungie, dialog between 343i and the competitive community is 100x times better than anything before. I believe (no pun) we are in a good place going forward with their recent hires and recent decisions they have done.
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Speaking of female Halo casters.
Not sure if serious.
The Librarian
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About what?
Stinkles' sweeping trueskill looks to be pretty low.
Female casters and players.
There's not any female Halo casters because, to my knowledge, there's no females trying to be Halo casters. Additionally, no female Halo players stuck with the game the way the invited pro teams have.
The pro teams that were invited are mostly comprised of former teammates and former pros in the community who have in some way stuck around the franchise.
I mean I don't think her point was that women were being actively shut out.
The Librarian
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It's a legitimate point to bring up, and I'm pretty sure there are plenty of prominent female members of the Halo community that would love to commentate if asked, including some of them at 343.
I think if there was a female caster who has put in the time and worked as hard at their craft as people like Goldenboy and Bravo, then they should definitely be considered.
ProvenDeadly
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I think the point he's making is the casters are professionals and have done this for a while. GoldenBoy has been commentating for a while over many different games. Bravo has been casting Halo for a while as well. To my knowledge there are not any female casters in the Halo community. Sure they could ask a female Halo community member, but if they have never casted before they probably wouldn't want to do it/ and probably wouldn't be great at it since they've never casted before.
If there is one that is as good or has put in the same amount of time than yes that would be awesome.
If there is one that is as good or has put in the same amount of time than yes that would be awesome.
RoyalLaFlame
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The Librarian
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You're missing the point of my original post, and how are women supposed to get better at commentating if they're not asked to commentate? Same with competing in pro-leagues?
They should work as hard as the boys, creating content on YouTube and Twitch casting over gameplays, then once they have a solid portfolio built up, approach a smaller scale tournament organizer like AEL or UGC, after they continue to build their brand, perfect their craft, and gain experience, approaching a large scale event such as PAX or Gamescom might yield the fruits of their labor.
ProvenDeadly
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He's saying that to his knowledge there are no Woman attempting to be casters. The casters at these events are actively trying to be casters, as in doing YouTube videos to practice. And there have been many all Woman teams at Halo events, but most of them didn't stick around when Halo fell off the competitive scene. The teams being invited are pros that stuck around when Halo wasn't great.
The Librarian
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Still not seeing the harm of letting a prominent female member of the Halo community (or 343) commentate.
No one is stopping them, there just isn't any. Stop trying to make this into a gender debate.
Would you let someone who wants to be a dentist do a root canal just because they've been in a dentist's office?
Are they actually barred from commentating? Or is it just that there aren't any of them commentating...
The Librarian
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I bet if you looked and asked around you'd get some willing volunteers.
And bringing up a legitimate point is turning something into a gender debate? Oh man.
ProvenDeadly
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They just don't exist to my knowledge. There's no barrier to entry, other than being well versed or practiced. The argument is "well just let a female commentate". Well, if she isn't good at commentating, it's probably not good for the production. The same thing goes for Males. They are not just going to throw a random Male halo community member in the booth.
Then who? You haven't really followed any of the competitive Halo community but now you want a female caster but lack of the knowledge of the history of that part of Halo.
I would love a female caster who is qualified and good, this shouldn't be about gender but who is the best at casting up there.
Welfare
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Just because they might "prominent", it doesn't mean they are good at commentating. If they have the practice and the chance, then there is nothing wrong with them commentating.
This isn't a gender issue.
It's not a legitimate point because this is a production put on by Microsoft and 343i where qualified people are hired to do the job because it's a representation of their brand. It's not a matter of interest, it's a matter of skill.
The Librarian
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Why do they have to be good? It's all about fun, right? I really don't see the harm in letting them commentate with Bravo even if they aren't the best. I'd love to see Kiki or Alison or Bonnie or Jess talk along side Bravo. What's wrong with that?
They don't have to be the best at commentating. I read the bulletin, saw that there were only male pro players, and that there were only male commentators at Gamescom. I said I wished there was more women.
There's nothing wrong with that.
If those women want to come in to co-cast for a match or two I see no problem because, again, they are experienced at talking to a camera in front of large audiences representing a brand.
You are changing it up then, there is no problem with impromptu interview/casting. As for the main casters, it should be the very best up there. You are repressing Microsoft, ESL, TwitchTV and the Halo brand.
squidhands
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Well, that's good news. Hope the dialog remains healthy.
You saying casting is all about fun is kind of offensive to people who have made a living by cultivating it is a craft.
If you had a job i would try to marginalize it by saying anyone could do it because it's "just for fun" but you don't.
No? Especially at events that aren't organized by 343 there is money that needs to be made. Commentators have a huge impact on how entertaining a tournament stream is and it would definitely cost them viewers if its of poor quality. You don't necessarily have to be amazing at first, but if you're not you better at least know a ton of stuff about competitive Halo play. For instance, Walshy isn't an amazing commentator, but the dude knows so much stuff about Halo which makes it fun to listen to.
The Librarian
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So you're arguing with me for no reason?
I'm not changing it up at all. I said from the beginning that I'd love to see female members of 343 commentate with Bravo, and yes, even as main casters.
You're not arguing against anything.
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