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A.J. Delgado: Nicki Minaj Is Worse for Young Girls' Morals Than Madonna Ever Was
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fat privilege and thin shaming
Ben Cherington
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yea but that sounds like work
That is a lot of constant work. That weight doesn't always go to the butt
The song may suck, but she isn't ugly. Far from it.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Yes!
Metallix87
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I thpught her dancing was disturbingly over-sexualized, her song was disturbing, but I don't see how she's any worse than any other rapper.
In the same world where Anaconda is a positive, empowering song.
Empowering girls to put out for money and drugs from men. Dream big ladies.
My posts regarding her new song and music video (Anaconda).
And whilst her VMA performance wasn't that bad tbh, I still stand by my point. Equally disappointing is Beyonce's new album, which is also quite vulgar and unnecessarily sexualised. It's a shame too, because they come up with some fairly decent music and production from time to time. Mind you, it's not like I feel different about so many of the rappers etc out there. So many just with all the wrong messages and content. Just getting tiring that this is the kind of shit that's being mass consumed in the largest quantities, and the kind of music our youth our growing up on.
nib95 said:
nib95 said:
And whilst her VMA performance wasn't that bad tbh, I still stand by my point. Equally disappointing is Beyonce's new album, which is also quite vulgar and unnecessarily sexualised. It's a shame too, because they come up with some fairly decent music and production from time to time. Mind you, it's not like I feel different about so many of the rappers etc out there. So many just with all the wrong messages and content. Just getting tiring that this is the kind of shit that's being mass consumed in the largest quantities, and the kind of music our youth our growing up on.
I'd imagine it's empowering if you're putting out for the right amount of money and drugs from the right guys. It's not as if they're being sold on the idea of sucking a shelf-stackers cock for half a joint. Hold out for the coke and the sports cars, sisters!
Isn't that what Cyrus is doing? Haha.
What the hell is the matter with you?
Well of course that's how girls determine their value; the amount of money the guy you're sleeping with has. Pretty basic stuff. She's just setting it to music in a thong.
Yeah, this is honestly how I feel as well. It seems like the smartest scam in the world was convincing women to put themselves on sexual display for men, under the guise of empowerment.
Which isn't to say taking control of your sexuality isn't empowering, it is, but it's impossible to tell whether pop stars are doing it for themselves. The sheer volume of women in the industry who rely on overt sexual displays to sell their products, suggests its a trend that transcends the individuals. And we can't ignore the connection between sexuality and self-esteem. Are they really doing it for themselves, if they're doing it because they need to feel sexy to feel valued? Where do those ideas come from?
Again, I'm not saying it isn't possible to be genuinely empowered by using your sexuality, but I'm saying we can't ignore the context. And, given the context, it's really impossible to know if its genuine empowerment or just another (more insidious) form of manipulation.
user8503492
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Lets just say music has a big impression on kids maybe 11-15 right? So for everyone thats 30 to 35 right now lets jump into the time machine! Set the dial for 20 years!
1994 here we come! Lets see what the MTV VMA's sold us impressionable 10-15 year olds!
...Aerosmith, REM, Salt & Peppa dominated the awards...
What shocking performances or sex did we witness!?!?
Aerosmith "Walk This Way"
Boyz II Men "I'll Make Love to You"
The Smashing Pumpkins "Disarm"
The Rolling Stones "Love Is Strong"/"Start Me Up"
Green Day "Armatage Shanks"
Beastie Boys "Sabotage"
Alexandrov Red Army Ensemble & Leningrad Cowboys "Sweet Home Alabama"
Salt-n-Pepa "Push It"/"None of Your Business"/"Whatta Man"/"Shoop"
Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers "Mary Jane's Last Dance"
Snoop Doggy Dogg "Murder Was the Case (DeathAfterVisualizingEternity)"
Stone Temple Pilots "Pretty Penny"
Bruce Springsteen "Streets of Philadelphia"
Then again this is when a channel that helps mold culture had a show with 7 young adults with careers and aspirations calls and calls it the "Real World" rather then 7 binge drinking sexually promiscuous morons fighting every 3 episodes.
The rap game was represented heavily tho this same year. The Source awards happened..and ONYX fired live ammunition into the ceiling to open the show and Tupac kept it real and bitched
Q-Tip on stage, took his mic, and performed a song.
1994 here we come! Lets see what the MTV VMA's sold us impressionable 10-15 year olds!
...Aerosmith, REM, Salt & Peppa dominated the awards...
What shocking performances or sex did we witness!?!?
Aerosmith "Walk This Way"
Boyz II Men "I'll Make Love to You"
The Smashing Pumpkins "Disarm"
The Rolling Stones "Love Is Strong"/"Start Me Up"
Green Day "Armatage Shanks"
Beastie Boys "Sabotage"
Alexandrov Red Army Ensemble & Leningrad Cowboys "Sweet Home Alabama"
Salt-n-Pepa "Push It"/"None of Your Business"/"Whatta Man"/"Shoop"
Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers "Mary Jane's Last Dance"
Snoop Doggy Dogg "Murder Was the Case (DeathAfterVisualizingEternity)"
Stone Temple Pilots "Pretty Penny"
Bruce Springsteen "Streets of Philadelphia"
Then again this is when a channel that helps mold culture had a show with 7 young adults with careers and aspirations calls and calls it the "Real World" rather then 7 binge drinking sexually promiscuous morons fighting every 3 episodes.
The rap game was represented heavily tho this same year. The Source awards happened..and ONYX fired live ammunition into the ceiling to open the show and Tupac kept it real and bitched
Q-Tip on stage, took his mic, and performed a song.
BadAss2961
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Ephemeris
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I think it's really down to some simple concepts: sex sells, looking sexy gets you attention.
Going over the top with sexuality, and adding in nonsense about finding guys who sell coke and all that crap, gives the punk/fuck authority/man my parents will hate this.... which makes it cool to the demographic. So it's all designed to sell the product.
I think that's all true. The problem is this seems to remain as the sole (or best) way to sell products. Women who want to be famous have to sell sexy. Sure, "be sexy when you want and how you want" is a step up from "be sexy when we want and how we want," but it's just an illusion of choice. Either way, if you want to sell and be famous, you're going to have to sell sexy. For men at least, selling sexy means putting scantily clothed women in their videos. For women, it means get scantily clad.
I guess my point is, this is the underlying context and why it's silly for us all to buy into the idea (without question) that sex = empowerment. We should all be skeptical.
We had Iggy Pop and Lou Reed. Promiscuous or junkie? I know which I'd pick as a role model.
Me too. Iggy Pop's still going strong, he must have done something right.
ReplacementPelican
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Yes but those were men! Women aren't allowed to express themselves sexually or in any other form!
Think of our daughters, man!
Seriously though, it does feel like women are way more likely to get 'told off' for doing anything that isn't sugar-coated than male stars.
user8503492
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Did Iggy and Lou hit mainstream success while finding heavy rotation on top 40 radio?
Kids might have found them from an older sibling handing them a record but I dont think Iggy was smearing himself with peanut butter on prime time TV, a place I can now see ass cheeks slapping around and the usual "money, hoes, and clothes" mantra.
Those are dudes, so they don't count. I was thinking more of that lascivious pop strumpet Alice Cooper. Now she was a naughty one.
Never really understood the fascination with her ass. It is fake. Fake. FAKE. FAAAAKE! This is undeniable, I really don't know how anyone can say otherwise, just look it up.
all this really confirms is that she was bad in every ass-epoch.
If I liked her music more I would be a lost cause in that woman's aura.
Do I feel guilty for saying I like Beyoncés recent output more than anything she's released before?
I remember around 2002-2003 when she was doing collabos with Sean Paul and Lil Flip...now she's at the upper pantheon of music. I'm a fan of the beat production more so than the lyrics for her most recent album, but man, the songwriters were so in tune with what's going on in society I have no choice but to give respect. They kept their thumb on the pulse and executed something so efficiently she created a mild phenomenon. Internet/social media, current trends, etc. Hell of a performer too.
Subject matter was explicit but under the guise of monogamy which I can accept as the reasoning since it's such a departure from previous work.
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Anton Sugar
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Spot on. I actually think the song is decent but that part is so obnoxious and, worst of all, unnecessary. You can make a song that praises curves (or big asses) without tearing down others.
I don't see this borne out in most mainstream media: still skinny women with really nice hair on every swimsuit catalog, in most commercials, most movies. Only time I encounter these curvy girls is in urban culture or specifically tailored "plus size" marketing.
But my perspective can be limited.
He was there when the alien gods made Keith Richards immune to drugs.
Metallix87
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Ummm... isn't Minaj a skinny woman with nice hair?
CassidyIzABeast
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Well she does say "I'm on some dumb shit" right after the lyrics quoted in the article.
We're fucking ourselves up in so many ways these days that it's impossible to keep track. What's messing up our youth more:
Nicki Minaj or Reality Television?
Reality Television or Kim K?
Kim K or Kanye?
Kanye or the crushing school loans they will have to face one day?
The crushing school loans they will have to face one day or couches and toothpaste?
Couches and Toothpaste or Facebook?
Facebook or whatever the fuck?
Whatever the fuck or Global Warming?
We're DOOOMMMEEEED. No point thinking about it. Let's just keep riding this wave (and each other) until we're all dead.
Nicki Minaj or Reality Television?
Reality Television or Kim K?
Kim K or Kanye?
Kanye or the crushing school loans they will have to face one day?
The crushing school loans they will have to face one day or couches and toothpaste?
Couches and Toothpaste or Facebook?
Facebook or whatever the fuck?
Whatever the fuck or Global Warming?
We're DOOOMMMEEEED. No point thinking about it. Let's just keep riding this wave (and each other) until we're all dead.
thecouncil
Banned
Won't someone think of the children?
Exactly. This is just like when Minaj laid down on stage, spread her legs and her backup dancer got on top of her and started thrusting her pelvis into Minaj. Same damn thing, different year.
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I don't think her act is shameful cuz of the sex. I think she just comes off so fake and like a try-hard. To me her act suffers from the Drake syndrome, not genuine.
I just think she's a TERRIBLE rapper/emcee. I know the whole trap thing is "dumb-out" music, but man her lyrics are in a lower level.
I don't mind women or men being sexually aggressive, or talk about violence but make a fuckin effort.
I just think she's a TERRIBLE rapper/emcee. I know the whole trap thing is "dumb-out" music, but man her lyrics are in a lower level.
I don't mind women or men being sexually aggressive, or talk about violence but make a fuckin effort.
Dude Abides
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I recall this video was in heavy rotation back in the wholesome year of 1992.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKKONgfNONU
As was this one in 1991.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xGuGSDsDrM
Fenderputty
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This argument, along with smokey Dave's, is actually a real life example of the slippery slope argument used by the opposition to prevent certain things from playing on TV.
"If we allow brief nudity what will follow? Full frontal?"
"If we allow men to get married and show affection on TV what will follow? The fall of the traditional family unit?"
"If we allow Elvis to move his hips a woman with a giant ass 50 years from now will dry hump her co-performers on stage"
I mean I get things change with the times, but IMO it's a little more complicated of an issue than just hand waving it away by saying "get with the times you old fart."
I personally think the 50's and prior were ridiculously too closeted about sexuality. While I don't think we've become too liberal with our sexuality today, I think we need to do a better job discussing responsible sexuality with our youth. We still have abstinence only programs in the US for fuck's sake.
You're being facetious, but it actually is. Pop star doing thing that is more sexual than the masses are used to. Times change and things that were considered raunchy back then no longer are now.
The internet allows people easy access to more explicit things than people had 50 years ago. That's a fact of life. You can either try and keep your kids in a bubble and shield them from it, or do your job as a parent and teach your kids about it so they don't do stupid shit when confronted with it (and they will be eventually).
Also, I hope these concerned parents aren't letting their kids watch Looney Tunes. Wouldn't want them to turn out like our generation and just indiscriminately shoot things on a whim.
Megapsycho
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Sounds like a smart kid with his head on straight. Rap sucks.
Plus, there are many more interesting things in life than whatever is trending. Trendy people are generally pretty shallow. Empty head, empty life.
Diprosalic
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tbh, that sounds wrong as well.
Dude skipped over Britney Spears and everyone that came after her to go right for Nicki. Does anyone remember Britney's legendary VMA performance? More people watched that performance than Nicki's performance a few days ago. Miley Cyrus was on tour using a stripper pole during her Party in the USA days....
Let's not preclude that fact from dog piling on Nicki. I GET IT......................
Parent your children using the wealth of resources available to restrict their access to digital media content you deem inappropriate for their age.
Let's not preclude that fact from dog piling on Nicki. I GET IT......................
Parent your children using the wealth of resources available to restrict their access to digital media content you deem inappropriate for their age.
KingKiller
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"Huurrrrr berrr qerrr dur bruh penis." - The mind of an average teenage girl according to this article and half the people posting.
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