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What about a Game of the Generation vote?
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When was this annouced ?
Zeyphersan
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Dark Souls will win, just call it now
You're never going to get an even distance though. Persona 5's European release could easily be summer '16, if you then leave it a year, I think we're too far removed from the main pack of games and we're still substantially closer to P5 than any other candidate.
It's never going to be a perfect set of entry criteria, although I think we could iron them out to be pretty comprehensive. But realistically, in GAF, what is going to be the PS3/4 split on P5 players? I imagine it will be colossally in PS4's favor.
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360 was 2005, PS3 and Wii 2006
Hyperzephyrian
Banned
I can see why a lot of you are cynical about the winner being something like Dark Souls or The Last of Us, but I honestly think the winner would be Portal.
No, it didn't. The Xbox 360 came out in 2005.
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I really don't think P5 counts as last gen. If it did, than that means Alien Isolation could count as last gen because it was once only planned for PC, PS3, and 360. If it is developed for simulaneous launch on two gens, we know they are making enhancements for current gen and that makes it a cross gen title.
TheGameChanger
Banned
You are implying that The Last of Us's gameplay is not exceptional. On the contrary, the gameplay is one of the best aspects of the game.
Zeyphersan
Banned
Where did you get that idea?
Of course. It didn't win the year it came out because it had little hype, the first game was PS3 exclusive, and a fairly bad selling one. The PC version didn't ship until the following summer. It's a fifty hour game, and it hit in a packed holiday season.
Dark Souls would easily be top five. In fact, I do think it would win, because the Galaxy fans are fairly evenly divided between the first and second games.
and that is not a good reason to deny the people who would play it on ps3 and experience it that way a vote.
DOWN
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It's cross gen. It doesn't count as last gen.
Ehh, if you wait too long for these kinds of votes, participation rate plummets, I think you had some experience with that with your other voting threads. Now is a good compromise time between when people are interested in being reflective and all the major games being released. P5 and MGS5 are on PS4 so it's fine to leave them out.
Because I was curious, I made a list of the remaining PS3/360 only games that Wikipedia says have yet to release. There's also the possibility that Japan will announce some Musou or Gundam game or something, but at this point even the niche holdouts like Atlus and NIS have moved on. I think in the interest of having a vote with good participation, I'm willing to risk foregoing the possibility that these will be future top ten classics:
F1 2014
MX v ATV Motocross
WWE 2K15
Assassin's Creed Rogue
Digimon All Star Rumble
Escape Dead Island
Cross of the Dutchman
Tales of Zestiria
The Awakened Fate Ultimatum
Under Night In Birth:EXE
You're presuming that if there's a next-gen GotG vote, that they will disqualify it for being cross-gen. I don't know that's true.
If someone wanted to vote for King Kong in this conceptual thread, I certainly wouldn't be against it.
Hyperzephyrian
Banned
I think that being forced to look at the entire 8-year history of the last generation, and having to justify their choices, would make people think a lot harder about which games they choose, rather than just spouting whatever the (relatively) new hotness is. Portal was a game with much more cultural purchase than most other games. (Even though it was sometimes expressed in annoying ways, like the never-ending "cake is a lie" meme.)
JehutyRunner
Banned
Nope.
Xbox 360 launched on November 22 (US)/December 2 (EU/UK) and December 10 (JP), 2005.
Oh no, I agree. Every year when GOTY comes around, I love reading the lists, especially those with their top tens filled out with explanations why they're there (especially long-ass ones), so I hope to see similar come out of a GOTG thread.
ComputerMKII
Banned
What would the result of this vote even mean?
Scrooge McDuck
Member
What about PS2-PS3 cross gen games? Are we disqualifying those too? Would every single cross gen games be forever barred from any GotG polling, then?
I'd say that if we needed to pick one, we should choose the up-crossgen rather than the down-crossgen, as obviously crossgen games are mostly held back by the spec of the lower-gen.
I would suggest true cross-gen is fine, that being games that launched at the same time across both generations. HD Remasters obviously don't count.
TheGameChanger
Banned
Kind of give GAF's over all opinion on the best games last gen. It will be fun too. Also, you might be persuaded to get new games that you overlooked.
yes it does. if you're counting last gen as games that games that came out on a certain generation of hardware, then it belongs there. you can count twilight princess as part of the generation that started with the dreamcast, or you can count it as part of the generation that started with the ds. there's no wrong answer. both experiences are valid.
i think if you actually are passionate about something that it shouldn't matter how long it's been as long as you can back up your opinions. there's merit to waiting a bit and giving people time to reflect so there isn't a flavor of the month/year sucking up all the support only because it was recently released.
and the people who are fans of these should have their voices heard. even if it's game number 1000 on a list of 1014 games, it would be their vote and their experience being tallied.
i think p5 should count for every generation it exists in as long as it's how the game was experienced.
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I think cross-gen should count on the newest gen, as the team makes use of some benefits of the newer gen and that is a large part of their decision to release it on newer systems. I think Hitman Blood Money and Gun should count for last gen since they were decent hits on 360.
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Experiences are valid? That's a little broad and besides the point. The point is to establish technical rules for the voting. I don't think Hitman Blood Money or Gun should be counted as two gens old. I think they are last gen because they were developed for last gen in addition to the gen before. Alien Isolation and Destiny should not count as last gen.
really? my bad, I thought it was 2004. well that means WoW cant be considered then, fair enough
man WOW is old
that is exceptionally arbitrary decision-making and really has no place when you're establishing technical rules.
And I do not if that means needing to wait for it to release.
It's no surprise people are specifically highlight Persona 5, not Metal Gear, or however many cross-gen games that they know are coming, because people still think of Persona 5 as being a PS3 game that's coming to PS4, not a cross-gen release like MGS5.
The generation isn't really about technology, or the Wii would be included with the previous generation. It's about the time frame. Persona 5 is releasing way into the current generation, and on a current generation platform, and it's going to sell far far better there, at least in the West.
I don't fundamentally have an issue with including it in the previous generation, I just have an issue with waiting three years for a GotG thread. Far less people would take part, they'd have less fresh memories of the games, their choices would be less interesting to others looking for games to currently play, etc.
Orthogonal
Member
Let's do it. Someone make the thread.
What? That Sonic game? It was bad man... real bad.
Not bad, i feel like there should be a handheld game. The world ends with you? since that was the best square enix game in the last little while?
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How so? I don't get why you are thinking cross-gen games should count on the older and newer gen. Who the heck thinks of Titanfall as last gen? Or Shadow of Mordor?
I really don't think it should work that way. That seems contrary to the scope of the games' developments to count them on the older gen or the newer one, when clearly the definite tech ended up on the newer gen thanks to various effects and such they make use of on the newer gen versions.
Seriously, Destiny is last gen now? Titanfall last gen? Alien Isolation weren't always developing for current gen, so do their last gen versions make it a last gen candidate too? Cross gen should count on the newer gen. It is the only clean, sensible way for cross gen games to count.
True. I'm not sure of the whole list, but I doubt any of my personal GOTYs of last gen won. I wouldn't really expect something that wasn't popular in the year it came out to leapfrog a game that was popular in its year (unless a better game in its series came out after).
Perhaps top 3 of each year?
Would this mean Virtual Console & PS1/PS2 Classics could be voted for? What about ports like Sonic 3 & Knuckles o.o?
Serpens007
Member
2005-2014 I think better. Disqualifying games of the next-gen consoles. This is because we'll have Borderlands The Pre-Sequel and AC: Rogue for example. Also we had South Park: The Stick of Truth (da best licensed game) and Dark Souls 2. Doubt any of those would win, BUT they should be able to run in this.
In any case. Mass Effect 2 should be the winner. That's how you make a final mission on a game.
Scrooge McDuck
Member
Mm, could you give some examples of such effects? I'd say that if somebody could make the same game for the older-gen, any effect they add to the newer gen is not that important to begin with.
Why not? I shall admit that I don't really understand what role exactly does different hardware play into crafting a game. But I often see people lamenting crossgen games. In Dragon Age: Inquisition threads people point out how it obviously is held back by it also releasing on PS3/360. In The Witcher 3 threads people are cheering for a game finally free of the shackles of last-gen.
If the fact that it's a crossgen title makes the current-gen version lesser that what it could have been, wouldn't said game be more a last-gen than a current-gen?
On the flipside, is there actually a crossgen game becomes better on the last-gen version just because it's also released on the current-gen?
What does technical competency matter anyway? Mario Galaxy would look better on PS3, but it wasn't. People experience what the game is, not what the potential was.
BrokenEchelon
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I haven't reviewed my top 10 of all time in years, GOTG would help with that probably...
IAmRandom31
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GOTG was Demons Souls for me. Nothing really grabbed me the way that game did last gen. 2nd place would be TLOU. 3rd place probably Red Dead Redemption.
We could do categories!
Most Influential GOTG - Modern Warfare
Best Graphics of the Generation - Crysis ( we including PC? Nah prob not ). So Beyond Two Souls
Most Overlooked GOTG - Folklore
Most Disappointing GOTG - Final Fantasy 13
Shit like that.
We could do categories!
Most Influential GOTG - Modern Warfare
Best Graphics of the Generation - Crysis ( we including PC? Nah prob not ). So Beyond Two Souls
Most Overlooked GOTG - Folklore
Most Disappointing GOTG - Final Fantasy 13
Shit like that.
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Alien Isolation added things like Chromatic Aberration, various indirect lighting, shadows, etc. It was once intended for PC and last gen, but no way would I call that a last gen game for this vote. That just isn't what is being discussed here from my perspective. The newer system is where it should be voted on.
Me too. That game pretty much made my ps3 purchase worth it. And I bought it at launch for 599 American Dollars.
TheGameChanger
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PC will obviously be included. And I would not vote Beyond two souls for best graphics on consoles either.
Not at all was it bad. Great game with perfected level design that understood what made the classics great. They even managed to make the 3D Sonic levels amazing too.