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Bayonetta 2 Review Thread - Metacritic: one billion-hit combo, buy it kids

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TyrantGuardian

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ALLseeingEYE said:
Based on what I've seen of Bayonetta 1, Gies' devaluing of Bayonetta is likely pretty disingenuous. It should be obvious from playing, that she isn't a character who is exploited, she is exploiting herself. If anything, seeing Bayonetta I imagine would empower women, and hopefully also show them that sexuality is not something to be ashamed of. In fact it can be fun, and that they can be in power and charge of themselves.

if anything, this likely just highlights Gies' own sexual immaturity, perhaps his lack of actual contact and understanding of women more than it does show Bayonetta as a sexist character.

The same thing happened with Bayonetta 1, you saw a lot of guys trying to white knight and hate on the game because of that aspect, while the reviews from women seemed to see them come away realizing Bayonetta is more than just a sex symbol, and that she wasn't just a cheap, exploited woman like she may have seemed from glimpsing trailers and fan art.
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Well, I wouldn't go that far, and I really dislike the "white knight" slur, but yeah. The marketing of the first game certainly gave it a somewhat twisted image that honestly didn't resonate all that well with the actual game. It didn't show that Bayonetta also has a personality that completely fits with how she acts/looks, choosing to simply focus on the latter. That said, Gies reviewed the game, not the marketing materials, so I doubt that's a factor in this case.

I just think that some people fall into a "slut shaming" fallacy when considering sexism. Some feminists dislike overt sexualization while others consider it a way to empower women. Still, it seems a bit lacking in insight to dismiss a game like Bayonetta as sexist garbage even if you're in the first "camp". I also don't understand how the game is "pandering" to men, at all. Almost everyone I've talked to that dislikes the game is, gasp, a man. In fact, many of them aren't even feminists and still dislike the game's image.

That makes me honestly wonder how the game panders in any way? Like, is there anyone out there who gets a boner from playing Bayonetta? The character just doesn't come across to me like trying to arouse the player at all, but I guess that's highly subjective. One thing you can safely assume is that Gies obviously wasn't aroused by it, so did he try to speak for other people and how horrible the game is for trying to pander to THEM? I mean, it certainly isn't pandering to HIM. It's just such a weird stance to take, imo. Maybe I'm overthinking this and he just has a problem with sexualized characters, and that's all there is to it.
 
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The Everyman
GrizzleBoy said:
How possible?

Does this game 1080p?

How many FPS?

Does it even realistic lighting model?

What AA, FA and occlusion model?

Can weather model and skybox accurately represent passing of all four seasons over a five minute period???

HOW POSSIBLE?
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Sadist

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7threst said:
Ugh, reading the comments under the Gamespot-review just gave me a headache.. is it always like that over there, damn...
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I'm on a tablet, comment section won't load; I suppose it's countless "pls bring this game to other platforms" posts?
 
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Inuhanyou

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MedIC86 said:
Nice scores! shame the game will sell like shit tho, if only Sony had given PG the chance...
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More like if only Sega had not been fucks. Its fine though, because Bayonetta somewhere is better than Bayonetta nowhere
 
Revenile

Revenile

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GrizzleBoy said:
How possible? Because it feels amazing to play.

Does this game 1080p? Doesn't matter

How many FPS? 30 for cutscenes, 40-60 for gameplay

Does it even realistic lighting model? This also matters not.

What AA, FA and occlusion model? I'm going with none on this

Can weather model and skybox accurately represent passing of all four seasons over a five minute period??? If it can't, who cares?

HOW POSSIBLE? Because it feels fucking amazing to play.
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I've answered your questions :)
 
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TheGreatMightyPoo

Banned
Arklite said:
Legitimately wasn't expecting scores like this without Kamiya directing, but Platinum just has talent to spare.
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Hashimoto worked on the first game too, just not as Director.

It's probably like Nintendo, Miyamoto doesn't have to be totally hands-on to make an amazing Mario game, these other developers worked with him(and learned) and are talented as hell in their own right.

I don't know if it will happen but Kuroda should be the Director of Bayonetta 3.

Girl power.
 
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Empty

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Monocle said:
That Polygon review is a sad display of boneheaded puritanism. Way to completely miss the point of Bayonetta's character.

Bayonetta is all about power and poise and confidence. The way she exults in her sexuality and wields it as a weapon is entirely consistent with her persona. She's never ever reduced to a sexual ornament for male characters or the audience. She claims equal standing with, or flat out dominates, every man she meets. She's isn't the damsel in distress who waits for the studly hero to sweep her off her feet and save the day. She pulls her own weight and takes care of her friends. Bayonetta is the superhero everyone else relies on. Her sexuality is self-gratifying and intimidating, not inviting, and that's one of the core strengths of her character.

It's worth mentioning that Bayonetta's designer is a woman who took inspiration for Bayonetta's extended proportions from fashion illustrations, whose figures are tall and elegant to emphasize physical grace rather than sexuality. If Bayonetta was supposed to pander to a straight male audience, where are the balloon tits and other stereotypical features of the woman-shaped background props that countless games employ for no other reason than cheap sex appeal? Why the bizzare spider-like limbs and long neck, exaggerated qualities that enhance her acrobatic movements and statuesque poses while she fights? Her design complements her actions, which complement her personality, which complements both.

Bayonetta is a fully realized character, possibly the only self-actualized female protagonist in complete control of her sexuality that the entire medium has to offer. Shame on Arthur Gies for misrepresenting Platinum's great work and failing to celebrate such a progressive character. Shame on Polygon.
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great post
 
Dice

Dice

Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
I really don't get a male-serving vibe from Bayonetta. To me it comes off more like everything about her is unreasonably excessive and that is just who she is owning herself and her own existence. Her role is in a place between the extreme powers of heaven and hell and says fuck both of them, she will go her own way. Her power is the same way, her style is the same way, and her sexiness is the same way.

The focus of the camera doesn't seem like a "male cameraman" trying to go "hey bro, check that out!" but rather seems an extension of her own exhibitionism that is at once overt and also downplayed by her own playful lack of care. She commands all of her reality and being to say that she is the epitome and master of every aspect of both, and she does what she wants and is pleased with herself no matter what others esteem yet is certain you must be impressed with her.

Why do I feel this way? Other than the simple reality of her every manner, her powers bend reality itself to extending her persona. And even beyond these, the all of the game design from the music to the graphic overlays for targeting and combo numbers and specials convey her style, representing her magic and also what a grand time she is having being her as she determines her destiny in these insane circumstances.

It just doesn't feel like something male-oriented, male-serving, exploitative of her character or of a message to girls as to what they should or shouldn't be. It's simply her being this crazy eccentric expectation/reality/possibility/judgement-transcending badass showboating in every way she possibly can the fact that she does what she wants and that is that. She is the utmost fulfillment of the concept Dante only began to open up, only female.
 
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Brian★

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Bayonetta 2 - Nintendo Life - 9/10

Bayonetta is is a must buy for any action gaming fans. It's fast, intense and ridiculous, all with an entertaining story and a protagonist that is forever subverting and playing with her audience. It's pure Platinum Games, too, which means it'll likely be adored by its converts and ignored by too many — we hope that won't happen, as what we have here is one of the Wii U's best games, and a rare arrival on the system that's unashamedly violent, gory and mature, while still mischievously winking at the watching world. Bayonetta 2 is brilliant, brash and impossible to ignore.
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woah. That GameSpot Review though.
 
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biteren

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Inuhanyou said:
More like if only Sega had not been fucks. Its fine though, because Bayonetta somewhere is better than Bayonetta nowhere
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every time i get angry about it being a wiiu exclusive i always beat this fact into my head.
i just hope Sony or Sega is paying attention, my ps4 yearns for games like this.
 
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TyrantGuardian

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Monocle said:
That Polygon review is a sad display of boneheaded puritanism. Way to completely miss the point of Bayonetta's character.

Bayonetta is all about power and poise and confidence. The way she exults in her sexuality and wields it as a weapon is entirely consistent with her persona. She's never ever reduced to a sexual ornament for male characters or the audience. She claims equal standing with, or flat out dominates, every man she meets. She's isn't the damsel in distress who waits for the studly hero to sweep her off her feet and save the day. She pulls her own weight and takes care of her friends. Bayonetta is the superhero everyone else relies on. Her sexuality is self-gratifying and intimidating, not inviting, and that's one of the core strengths of her character.

It's worth mentioning that Bayonetta's designer is a woman who took inspiration for Bayonetta's extended proportions from fashion illustrations, whose figures are tall and elegant to emphasize physical grace rather than sexuality. If Bayonetta was supposed to pander to a straight male audience, where are the balloon tits and other stereotypical features of the woman-shaped background props that countless games employ for no other reason than cheap sex appeal? Why the bizzare spider-like limbs and long neck, exaggerated qualities that enhance her acrobatic movements and statuesque poses while she fights? Her design complements her actions, which complement her personality, which complements both.

Bayonetta is a fully realized character, possibly the only self-actualized female protagonist in complete control of her sexuality that the entire medium has to offer. Shame on Polygon for misrepresenting Platinum's great work and failing to celebrate such a progressive character.
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This post puts exactly what I wanted to say way better than I managed to express it. Like, I can't imagine many men feeling like Bayonetta has attractive proportions. The question, of course, is whether her look perpetuates a negative self-image onto females. Like, does a woman play this game and feel pressured into considering that ideal proportions? I'm not sure.

Also, fantastic quote from the Leigh Alexander article:
I already know that women can do all the same things men can. This time, I get to see a woman do plenty of things men can't. And I love it.
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That's exactly how I feel about these games.
 
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MHWilliams

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Myggen said:
Reviewers can't win. If they give a great score it's evidence of corruption and/or fanboyism, if they give a game people are hyped about a low score it's evidence of clickbait, that they didn't play the game properly, that reviews don't matter etc. And for most people commenting like that, anything under a 9/10 is a low score. Lose-lose situation.
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Honestly, it's just a part of the job. You get used to it for the most part, though occasionally it boils over some times.

But really folks, if you dislike the Polygon review, the best thing you can do is not talk about it after you read it. When you do talk about it, it gets others to read it, which counts as more readers.

Read the stuff you like, ignore the stuff you don't, find reviewers who you can trust.
 
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matrix-cat

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Monocle said:
That Polygon review is a sad display of boneheaded puritanism. Way to completely miss the point of Bayonetta's character.

Bayonetta is all about power and poise and confidence. The way she exults in her sexuality and wields it as a weapon is entirely consistent with her persona. She's never ever reduced to a sexual ornament for male characters or the audience. She claims equal standing with, or flat out dominates, every man she meets. She's isn't the damsel in distress who waits for the studly hero to sweep her off her feet and save the day. She pulls her own weight and takes care of her friends. Bayonetta is the superhero everyone else relies on. Her sexuality is self-gratifying and intimidating, not inviting, and that's one of the core strengths of her character.

It's worth mentioning that Bayonetta's designer is a woman who took inspiration for Bayonetta's extended proportions from fashion illustrations, whose figures are tall and elegant to emphasize physical grace rather than sexuality. If Bayonetta was supposed to pander to a straight male audience, where are the balloon tits and other stereotypical features of the woman-shaped background props that countless games employ for no other reason than cheap sex appeal? Why the bizzare spider-like limbs and long neck, exaggerated qualities that enhance her acrobatic movements and statuesque poses while she fights? Her design complements her actions, which complement her personality, which complements both.

Bayonetta is a fully realized character, possibly the only self-actualized female protagonist in complete control of her sexuality that the entire medium has to offer. Shame on Arthur Gies for misrepresenting Platinum's great work and failing to celebrate such a progressive character. Shame on Polygon.
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Brilliant. Just perfect.
 
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Mdk7

Member
Monocle said:
That Polygon review is a sad display of boneheaded puritanism. Way to completely miss the point of Bayonetta's character.

Bayonetta is all about power and poise and confidence. The way she exults in her sexuality and wields it as a weapon is entirely consistent with her persona. She's never ever reduced to a sexual ornament for male characters or the audience. She claims equal standing with, or flat out dominates, every man she meets. She's isn't the damsel in distress who waits for the studly hero to sweep her off her feet and save the day. She pulls her own weight and takes care of her friends. Bayonetta is the superhero everyone else relies on. Her sexuality is self-gratifying and intimidating, not inviting, and that's one of the core strengths of her character.

It's worth mentioning that Bayonetta's designer is a woman who took inspiration for Bayonetta's extended proportions from fashion illustrations, whose figures are tall and elegant to emphasize physical grace rather than sexuality. If Bayonetta was supposed to pander to a straight male audience, where are the balloon tits and other stereotypical features of the woman-shaped background props that countless games employ for no other reason than cheap sex appeal? Why the bizzare spider-like limbs and long neck, exaggerated qualities that enhance her acrobatic movements and statuesque poses while she fights? Her design complements her actions, which complement her personality, which complements both.

Bayonetta is a fully realized character, possibly the only self-actualized female protagonist in complete control of her sexuality that the entire medium has to offer. Shame on Arthur Gies for misrepresenting Platinum's great work and failing to celebrate such a progressive character. Shame on Polygon.
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Clap clap clap.
 
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itchyass86

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J4g3r said:
Seeing all those high scores makes me so damn happy, not that I ever doubted the game or anything.
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Same. All of the folks that didn't believe this game or didn't wanna publish this game can all just suck it. It being Bayo's pair of Rakshasa. Or something.
 
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ktynn

Banned
Monocle said:
That Polygon review is a sad display of boneheaded puritanism. Way to completely miss the point of Bayonetta's character.

Bayonetta is all about power and poise and confidence. The way she exults in her sexuality and wields it as a weapon is entirely consistent with her persona. She's never ever reduced to a sexual ornament for male characters or the audience. She claims equal standing with, or flat out dominates, every man she meets. She's isn't the damsel in distress who waits for the studly hero to sweep her off her feet and save the day. She pulls her own weight and takes care of her friends. Bayonetta is the superhero everyone else relies on. Her sexuality is self-gratifying and intimidating, not inviting, and that's one of the core strengths of her character.

It's worth mentioning that Bayonetta's designer is a woman who took inspiration for Bayonetta's extended proportions from fashion illustrations, whose figures are tall and elegant to emphasize physical grace rather than sexuality. If Bayonetta was supposed to pander to a straight male audience, where are the balloon tits and other stereotypical features of the woman-shaped background props that countless games employ for no other reason than cheap sex appeal? Why the bizzare spider-like limbs and long neck, exaggerated qualities that enhance her acrobatic movements and statuesque poses while she fights? Her design complements her actions, which complement her personality, which complements both.

Bayonetta is a fully realized character, possibly the only self-actualized female protagonist in complete control of her sexuality that the entire medium has to offer. Shame on Arthur Gies for misrepresenting Platinum's great work and failing to celebrate such a progressive character. Shame on Polygon.
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AMEN
 
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TyrantGuardian

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MHWilliams said:
Honestly, it's just a part of the job. You get used to it for the most part, though occasionally it boils over some times.

But really folks, if you dislike the Polygon review, the best thing you can do is not talk about it after you read it. When you do talk about it, it gets others to read it, which counts as more readers.

Read the stuff you like, ignore the stuff you don't, find reviewers who you can trust.
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I don't like that idea, actually. I will gladly discuss reviews I disagree with because it creates an actual debate rather than an echo chamber where every review that isn't 9 or above is the only thing people care about. If anything, I look for negative reviews for games I know I will love just to see what other perspectives people have on it. Granted, in this case is was a bit too predictable and not very thought-provoking since this is a subject I've been mulling over since the first game was announced.

But yeah, I don't mind Gies' getting these clicks at all, it's a fucking debate, not a celebration. Though I guess for some people it is literally that. For me, the game itself is the celebration, not reviews. I really dislike the knee-jerk bashing of negative reviews as much as I dislike knee-jerk opinions about Bayonetta's sexuality.
 
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plasmawave

Banned
Monocle said:
That Polygon review is a sad display of boneheaded puritanism. Way to completely miss the point of Bayonetta's character.

Bayonetta is all about power and poise and confidence. The way she exults in her sexuality and wields it as a weapon is entirely consistent with her persona. She's never ever reduced to a sexual ornament for male characters or the audience. She claims equal standing with, or flat out dominates, every man she meets. She's isn't the damsel in distress who waits for the studly hero to sweep her off her feet and save the day. She pulls her own weight and takes care of her friends. Bayonetta is the superhero everyone else relies on. Her sexuality is self-gratifying and intimidating, not inviting, and that's one of the core strengths of her character.

It's worth mentioning that Bayonetta's designer is a woman who took inspiration for Bayonetta's extended proportions from fashion illustrations, whose figures are tall and elegant to emphasize physical grace rather than sexuality. If Bayonetta was supposed to pander to a straight male audience, where are the balloon tits and other stereotypical features of the woman-shaped background props that countless games employ for no other reason than cheap sex appeal? Why the bizzare spider-like limbs and long neck, exaggerated qualities that enhance her acrobatic movements and statuesque poses while she fights? Her design complements her actions, which complement her personality, which complements both.

Bayonetta is a fully realized character, possibly the only self-actualized female protagonist in complete control of her sexuality that the entire medium has to offer. Shame on Arthur Gies for misrepresenting Platinum's great work and failing to celebrate such a progressive character. Shame on Polygon.
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If you make a sexually confident and strong female character you deserve to get bashed. This is Platinum's fault really.
 
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Bold One

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Was never a fan of Bayo's design choices but had great respect for the combat and mechanics.

and I never put much credence into reviews but these accolades mean GOTY surely....WOW, incredible stuff

well done platinum and well done Bayonetta 2
 
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Kouriozan

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Need more Jeanne gif.

jeanneyaaassssfrk1u.gif
 
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SocksForWoks

Banned
Excellent! Wii U seems like it finally has an absolute must have game!

I agree we shoukd toss out that Polygon review, is just idiotic and real life trolling like that is trash.
 
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Tomeru

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Monocle said:
That Polygon review is a sad display of boneheaded puritanism. Way to completely miss the point of Bayonetta's character.

Bayonetta is all about power and poise and confidence. The way she exults in her sexuality and wields it as a weapon is entirely consistent with her persona. She's never ever reduced to a sexual ornament for male characters or the audience. She claims equal standing with, or flat out dominates, every man she meets. She's isn't the damsel in distress who waits for the studly hero to sweep her off her feet and save the day. She pulls her own weight and takes care of her friends. Bayonetta is the superhero everyone else relies on. Her sexuality is self-gratifying and intimidating, not inviting, and that's one of the core strengths of her character.

It's worth mentioning that Bayonetta's designer is a woman who took inspiration for Bayonetta's extended proportions from fashion illustrations, whose figures are tall and elegant to emphasize physical grace rather than sexuality. If Bayonetta was supposed to pander to a straight male audience, where are the balloon tits and other stereotypical features of the woman-shaped background props that countless games employ for no other reason than cheap sex appeal? Why the bizzare spider-like limbs and long neck, exaggerated qualities that enhance her acrobatic movements and statuesque poses while she fights? Her design complements her actions, which complement her personality, which complements both.

Bayonetta is a fully realized character, possibly the only self-actualized female protagonist in complete control of her sexuality that the entire medium has to offer. Shame on Arthur Gies for misrepresenting Platinum's great work and failing to celebrate such a progressive character. Shame on Polygon.
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Is there a gif of buffy when she got switched with faith, and she says infront of the mirror:

It's Wrong!
 
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