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[VisceralBowl]

I don't understand. If you're baking the lighting, wouldn't that all just be put into the color texture and be essentially "free"? The statement that they're baking lighting, and it took up 25 gigs seems incongruous to me, but I'm probably just confused.

Lightmaps can take up a pretty high amount of storage.

 

[Averon]

Wow, and that anonymous Ubi dev took a shot at Mordor - saying it has next gen gameplay, but not next gen graphics; Mordor is better looking than this.

Ha. I remember that.

Pretty laughable in hindsight if these pictures are any indication.

 

[jett]

Reminds me of Tobal 2's lighting.

Tobal 2 runs at 60fps. Winner: Tobal 2.

 

[Kamina]

Lazy devs or weak consoles?

Consoles are not weak, Ubisoft is just proving their incompetence again.

 

[NullPointer]

According to a Kotaku article from the summer, it doesn't. Yves gaf account also said there was no day/night cycle, and that email that giantbomb received after the parity debacle mentioned pre-baked lighting.

I'm still hoping there is a day/night cycle, but right now it's looking like there isn't.

Wow, if true then I would expect the screenshots to look much better. Infamous had beautiful screens even before the photo mode patch released because the devs specifically hand selected the atmospherics rather then opting for a dynamic day/night cycle.

if those AC shots are representative with dev chosen lighting than... yeah. That's not looking so hot.

 

[Raptor]

Nope, probably cause it took up 25 gigs for the current lighting alone apparently.

Lol.

The hell is going in on at Ubisoft?

 

[Calabi]

I dont believe it, this is preposterous, some wires have got crossed somewhere, we cant go backwards in graphical fidelity, Ubisoft wouldnt be that stupid.

 

[AngryMoth]

Meh there are a few unflattering shots but I still think the game is looking good, especially in video form. In spite of hating the recent games in the series and just general ubisoft fatigue I have a strange optimism for this game

 

[Muffdraul]

Um, okay. The DF method is to give examples of places where resolution has an impact. Those areas are no less glaring when the whole screen is displayed. It's a lot easier to do that since you can compare versions side by side without having to switch between two full size screens.

It completely underlines the fact that if you just point to the full screen and say "OMG Look at the huge difference!" most people will go "Huh? Where? Tell me exactly where to look to see this 'huge' difference."

 

[jonezer4]

Lightmaps can take up a pretty high amount of storage.

What's the reasoning behind storing the light information in a different texture than the color? (Again, just curious.) I'm wondering why you couldn't just combine the lightmap and the color into one texture and save all that space.

EDIT: Is it so that you can switch between multiple times/light colors/light angles? That would make sense I suppose.

 

[Turin Turambar]

The light isn't so bad here

 

[majik13]

What's the reasoning behind storing the light information in a different texture than the color? (Again, just curious.) I'm wondering why you couldn't just combine the lightmap and the color into one texture and save all that space.

EDIT: Is it so that you can have multiple times/light angles? That would make sense I suppose.

Im guessing that textures are tiled and reused all over the place. So you would want the lighting seperarted out from an objects base color. So that it can be reused in different lighting situations. Otherwise you would maybe need a mega texture for the whole environment for each instanced time of day. As well as lighting has different characteristics based on veiwing angle than an objects base color. I only have basic knoweldge in texturing.

 

[Kezen]

The light isn't so bad here

The cobblestones could benefit from some tessellation/POM.
Hoping to see that on PC.

 

[RedAssedApe]

weird. even the ui looks blurry.

 

[Talon]

That sure looks like an Assassin's Creed game.

 

[Karatechop250]

900p is lame. This is why I don't care when people say "drop the resolution for better graphics".

It's not a generational difference that a 1080p game would look like, and now the game's blurry.

You do realize that the reason its blurry isn't becuase of the 900p ?

 

[nOoblet16]

I'd agree 900 isn't low-res, but every game I've played that is (900), has tons of jaggies and seems blurry. The 1080 games I've seen that also had noticeable jaggies were at least very crisp.

Also thanks re:videos. I'd like to see it in motion before I decide if I'm picking it up.

It depends a lot on the art style and the quality of the AA used just as much, Ryse has better AA and less jaggies or artifacting than pretty much any game out on consoles, including Infamous (it has pristine IQ but the AA does suffers from very minor artifacts, and Ryse has none of it) and it is 900P.

 

[Calabi]

The light isn't so bad here

It looks over lit to me, flat lighting. They wouldnt look that bright in real light.

 

[Jburton]

Looks good, resolution drop is obvious on PS4 but it plays pretty solidly.


Can't say anything else.

 

[CambriaRising]

You do realize that the reason its blurry isn't becuase of the 900p ?

It's not the only reason, but that's a big part of it.

Really though, the game is just kinda ugly all around, in spite of the lower resolution.

 

[xXBaconXx]

The cobblestones could benefit from some tessellation/POM.
Hoping to see that on PC.

Tesselation is already comfirmed for the PC version. Nvidia has marketed it.

 

[Jburton]

It's not the only reason, but that's a big part of it.

Really though, the game is just kinda ugly all around, in spite of the lower resolution.

It's not an ugly game.

 

[HardRojo]

The light isn't so bad here

The art style looks fine but low IQ really hurts it, the game would benefit a lot from higher res, it looks blurry.

 

[nOoblet16]

It looks over lit to me, flat lighting. They wouldnt look that bright in real light.

Art in games these days usually go for a look that is similar to how a scene would look from a camera rather than a human eye. Things like that, over brightened lit areas when under shadows happens a lot when you view a scene from a camera.

 

[Edwards_Omatic]

They were have meant to have used physically based rendering for the materials in Unity.
I'm not seeing any evidence of that... For those screenshots at least.

This isn't looking too hot, at all

 

[ComputerBlue]

Looks good, resolution drop is obvious on PS4 but it plays pretty solidly.


Can't say anything else.

Yes you can.

Does the game have ambient music when not on a mission/freeroam and exploration?

 

[CambriaRising]

It's not an ugly game.

Opinions. I think it looks terrible for a generation 8 product. The textures, lighting, and character models are all bad.

 

[IdreamofHIME]

In this thread....people who have never been to Paris.

It's a gloomy godforsaken place guys, waste of time even making a lighting engine for a Paris set game. Just work on those grey clouds.

 

[Karatechop250]

I don't even think 1080p would help this game. The entire thing just looks blah. Low res textures, no shadows, etc.

This game was built for next gen?

Yeah there is something wrong with this engine if this is how the game turns out.

 

[geordiemp]

Eh, the draw distance in infamous second son wasn't really anything to write home about. Building's far off in the distance were either obfuscated by fog or lod'd into flat textures.

Oh dear, you do realise that there was a photo mode adding heavy blur and effects (right ?).

Looking at some screen shots of photo mode might could give that impression in a forum like GAF....

The normal game (no photo mode effects) had massive draw distance - I loved sniping in that game....at long distances...

So no, you are totally 100 % wrong and have not played the game

 

[nOoblet16]

They were have meant to have used physically based rendering for the materials in Unity.
I'm not seeing any evidence of that... For those screenshots at least.

This isn't looking too hot, at all

Yea it ain't next gen really without any PBR

 

[legacyzero]

A shame, considering artistically, the game looks pretty good.

Hard to see or appreciate through all that blur, fucking shit.

 

[majik13]

The art style looks fine but low IQ really hurts it, the game would benefit a lot from higher res, it looks blurry.

I would say low texture resolution, and possibly the AA solution are the reasons for the "bluriness" and not the overal 900p rendering. Edges are more or less pretty sharp. Not that 1080p wouldnt help though.

 

[JohnGrimm]

Tesselation is already comfirmed for the PC version. Nvidia has marketed it.

Doesn't it only affect the shingles on the rooftops?

 

[jblank83]

BREAKING NEWS: Ubisoft creative director insists that 900p was the target both for filmic quality and because it plays better than 60fps.

Spoiler

This and more fake news at 11.

 

[Edwards_Omatic]

Yea it ain't next gen really without any PBR

This is true, for a game to take advantage of better lighting engines at least.
Wonder what the hell happened.

 

[Pimpbaa]

Image quality reminds me of Watchdogs. Blurry due to 900p and little to no anisotropic filtering. Might look way better in motion however, particularly the lighting.

 

[dampflokfreund]

The resolution is not the problem. Bad AA and low res textures are.

 

[Shyakugaun]

So much overreacting an sarcasm I cant even tell who's being serious anymore lol.

 

[gruenel]

The resolution is not the problem. Bad AA and low res textures are.

Resolution definitely is at least part of the problem.

 

[system11]

So much overreacting an sarcasm I cant even tell who's being serious anymore lol.

I think it's being treated with about as much dignity as Ubisoft PR came up with.

I voted AC4 my game of 2013, I'm not buying this unless they patch the resolution on PS4 though just on principle.

 

[DOWN]

The first half of the shots looked so disappointing but the second half looked much more like the demos.

It does look blurry though.

 

[beercr8te]

Not buying it or any other ubisoft game, fuck them and their parity.

 

[mugurumakensei]

I think it's being treated with about as much dignity as Ubisoft PR came up with.

I voted AC4 my game of 2013, I'm not buying this unless they patch the resolution on PS4 though just on principle.

its struggling to hit 30fps on xbox one. a resolution bump would almost assuredly result in neither version running anywhere near 30fps.

 

[eot]

The light isn't so bad here

Not saying it doesn't have GI, but I wouldn't expect it to look like that with GI.

 

[Handy Fake]

Resolution definitely is at least part of the problem.

 

[Green Yoshi]

I miss that IQ:

 

[Codeblew]

You can have good image quality at 900p. 900p with really good AA is much better than 1080p with crap AA.

CPUs are what are keeping it at 30fps, most likely.

I agree you can have good image quality at 900p but once you stretch it to 1080p, it looks like ass.

 

[Shining Sunshine]

I cancelled ubisoft games from my preorder.

They can say goodbye to my wallet.

 

[Jburton]

I miss that IQ:

Easily looks better than ACIV