GrizzleBoy
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Fiction.
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How does it work?
It's off-topic here but : They build a great historical playground from good research but the way they write the way events happened and how historical figures were is biased for several reasons (they use fictional characters and a parallel fictional story with them, historical research focused more on how to build a consistent 1789-1793 Paris rather than to grasp the huge and complicated period of the French Revolution, and to transcribe it in an AAA game made for a large public without huge expertise in this historical time frame...)
For instance how they depict Robespierre and the reign of Terror is not based on an historical consensus, it may be seen as a cliché or a very biased representation of what happened. When I hear the creative director talking about the different groupes or the chronology of the Revolution, they seem to have oversimplified what happened and who took part in these events (for legitimate reasons or not, but it's here).
There's ideology and all behind it, it has to be known and it can be a moot point to have or an interesting historical study to be made.
I have a lot of shit to say about Unity, but its worst crime is portraying Robespierre as a monster? LOL.
These are all immensely complex figures that the AC formula wouldn't really allow for an accurate or multilayered portrayal of them anyway, and it's hardly super controversial that Robespierre is often painted in a negative light. I mean I've never been to school in France but do they teach that Robespierre was a hero without painting the complete portrait of what the man actually did?
Now you'll never be able to criticize GamerGate again without this being dredged up and used against you fifteen thousand times!
The french revolution was in general a total shitfest. Everyone was terrible. Seriously.
It's lies for liars who can't be historians because they love lies so much. Damn dirty lie loving liars.Fiction.
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As expected from (mostly American) gamers not used to French political and historical debates, almost no one here understood what is said in the OP. This is why they say "Oh it's a game it doesn't matter" or why they quote the sentence before the title screen (which means nothing).
Also the telegraph article doesn't help to understand since it doesn't talk about the long article Mélenchon wrote about how he saw video game as a new form of art that needs to be understood because it conveys too lots of representations of political or historical subjects (in this case according to him, bad representations). The real jokes are the people who aren't taking this seriously. But they may not know master's thesis were defended last year in La Sorbonne in Paris about how AC used history for playful purposes and thesis defended in another French university about how deep was the political message in GTA IV.
I remember saying basically the same thing 1 month ago on Gaf
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=136796617#post136796617
After playing the game it's even more true : how Paris is just violent and depicts violent revolutionaries everywhere, while not talking about political, ideological, social or cultural ideas created in this time period, confirms that we can at least talk about it. This is creative choice they made, this is cultural product, not just a game.
So he's saying that it wasn't barbaric for masses of people to storm into people's houses, decapitate them, and parade their heads around on pikes?
Havent played the game, but I am really sad to hear that this is the way the revolution is portrayed. The masses of France started the wave of rebellions in Europe that eventually led to democracy and (some) social justice everywhere, and while it was bloody and had its share of villains of both sides, there is no doubt the people of France are and should be celebrated as heroes.
So he's saying that it wasn't barbaric for masses of people to storm into people's houses, decapitate them, and parade their heads around on pikes?
Mélenchon claims that Robespierre is his hero. And no, we're not teached that Robespierre was a hero... more like a guy who sent a lot of people to guillotine..
Robespierre a fucking hero? I get that you are very republican and anti-royalist, but saying that Robespierre was a decent chap is like telling the world that Hitler wasn't as bad as everyone says.
Guy is crazy, but what should you expect from extreme-left...
Btw, people wanting the protagonist to play part more often to the French Revolution, don't really understand what it really was. Mainly lots of raping, stealing and killing.
He also said he will buy a console. But yes, after so many french public figure shitting on video games recently, he's the one who said really intelligent things about gaming in our society, about the relation between reality and virtuality, about the importance of popular culture - talking about his own experience as a avid SF reader - ... And just my two cents but Robespierre was not the guy some here - like the Ubi game - are portraying.
Accuracy was never a thing, but the first two ACs had a love for history. Newer iterations have replaced that love with cynical exploitation of the player.
Not if they deserved it.
They actually avoided putting Arno into every event of the revolution. And didn't pick sides with the revolution, the revolution is just a backdrop to Elise and Arno's tale but you can find an absolute shit ton of information in the database like in the other games.
hmmm, I can't think even of one big game that took something from history as a theme,
and didnt fiddle around with it to make the game.
does unity advertise itself as a historically correct game? like, do they say that their game depicts what really happened in the french revolution?
You really should read more historical books and bios about Robespierre because what you think he is is just a pure cliché that doesn't pass through a simple fact-checking.
So how are the far right in France? WTF do they believe in?
No cake no buy(yes I know she never actually said let them eat cake)...did you just accidentally out yourself as an immortal?
EDIT: slight tangent... Totally bought this for my friend on his birthday afew years ago.
Dude sounds like a fucking templar.
I should yes. I'm simply basing this on what I learn at school which was years ago. I'm not saying Robespierre is pure evil, but you cant deny the violence either.
Thanks to decades of irrationnal diabolization instead of rationnal contradiction of their ideas, governmental failure to resolve some of the long-term problems of the country and a failed some-people-are-more-equals-than-others socialist system, they are in a pretty good shape thanks you very much. They have their chances of being in the second round in the next presidential elections
Polically, along with the traditionnal ideas associated with the far-righ (anti-immigration, security), there has been a shift toward more 'social' themes.
This work of fiction was designed, developed, and produced by a multicultural team of various religious faiths and beliefs.
Well I don't blame him, this isn't all accurate.
Exactly. That's how it was during the Ezio trilogy as well.In a way, its better like this. Alot of people had problems with Connor being somehow amazingly influential in the forming of the US as an independent country, seeing as how hes completely fictional. And it makes sense, its a bit of a disconnect like, "well how come i never heard of this dude who was riding on the same horse as Paul Revere??".
Only how accurate it looks. Also this guy is completely wrong when he says that the aristocrats are presented as fine upstanding people, especially considering that nearly everyone who Arno kills in this game is a wealthy aristocrat.hmmm, I can't think even of one big game that took something from history as a theme,
and didnt fiddle around with it to make the game.
does unity advertise itself as a historically correct game? like, do they say that their game depicts what really happened in the french revolution?
To be honest, I would thought the french would of had more issue with this, regardless of the french dub.
Guy should just be glad he didn't have to sit through the butchering of American history that was Assassin's Creed 3. I mean damn.
Yea, the real revolution woulda been at least 60 fps
...did you just accidentally out yourself as an immortal?
EDIT: slight tangent... Totally bought this for my friend on his birthday afew years ago.
A lot of people think its a pretty fun game underneath its technical issues and failings as an education tool to teach students about the French Revolution. So yea, obviously failed at everything most important.Is there a single thing this game isn't a monumental failure on?
I said nothing controversial, and you didn't address my thesis at all. Besides, I doubt most 12 year old non-Frenchmen can really tell you much about the French Revolution.
edit: oh, I would apologize for saying retarded. Sorry. Slipped.
But not for Ubifactory.
Pretty much. I wouldn't claim everything he and others did was required just cause it's what happened and what worked.Therein lies the rub. Most critics of Robespierre - and indeed most biographers of Robespierre in general - don't believe he was doing what was required altogether. He went well beyond what was required frequently, to the point where "terror" was synonymous with his application of ideals. In fact, he said it was. Some sort of sick twisted side effect of virtue.
I agree he's hugely more complex than AC or anyone in this OP is letting on, but there's a reason why so many today have difficulty really separating Robespierre from the darker elements of the Revolution. He was the darker elements of the Revolution. He was also other things, of course. Hugely important. Moved the revolution forward in many important and vital ways. But "doing what was required" does not equal the extent of what he did.