Beren the Empty-Handed
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Lol. So glad they decided to cut important end dialogue.
Still, it doesn't really alter the severity of damage done or the help Link had, so it's an interesting detail at best.
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Canonically, who is the strongest fighter in the Smash Bros universe?
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Lol. So glad they decided to cut important end dialogue.
Still, it doesn't really alter the severity of damage done or the help Link had, so it's an interesting detail at best.
superNESjoe
Member
How about if you cut out the third parties so Shulks broken Monado doesn't come into play?
Linkstrikesback
Member
Third party character... created by a company 100% owned by nintendo.
Storm Kyleis
Member
Kirby is overrated. He can only inhale from close range, every other character with psychic powers could easily hurt him from the distance.
Shulk is 100% first party.
Bomber Bob
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The Creator
superNESjoe
Member
I knew the game was exclusive, thought it was related to Xenogears in some way which isnt.
Looked it up, forgot that Nintendo bought Monolith. Wouldn't that make Shulk second party?
Hot Coldman
Banned
Villager and Wii Fit Trainer can't die, so they're out of the question when it comes to weakest.
Is Nathan Drake or Kratos second party?
Spirit Icana
Member
I don't know anything about Ness and Kirby.
But don't all of these characters need power ups to do anything?
I thought Rosalina needed the power of the stars/lumas to do anything. That is where the true power lies. She just happened to meet the Lumas and learned how things worked in Mario's Galaxy, I guess. I need to read her story book again.
Pit had the treasures and Palutena's power of flight power ups to take down Hades and co.
Shulk has the Monado that only he can wield without issues (see Dunban, the former wielder in that game).
Ike had another Goddess help him defeat one just like Pit.
All these characters are servants to greater beings. They're just chosen to take up a large cause.
Kid Icarus' "deities" were slayed by each other
, by Aliens, or by special divine weapons that Pit would wield. All through out that game, the supposed almighty beings were powerful, but quite fragile. 
But don't all of these characters need power ups to do anything?
I thought Rosalina needed the power of the stars/lumas to do anything. That is where the true power lies. She just happened to meet the Lumas and learned how things worked in Mario's Galaxy, I guess. I need to read her story book again.
Pit had the treasures and Palutena's power of flight power ups to take down Hades and co.
Shulk has the Monado that only he can wield without issues (see Dunban, the former wielder in that game).
Ike had another Goddess help him defeat one just like Pit.
All these characters are servants to greater beings. They're just chosen to take up a large cause.
Kid Icarus' "deities" were slayed by each other
Hades takes out Medusa
people still use this term?
foxuzamaki
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Kirby is a character that if you really think about what he is and what he does, he is actually a pretty powerful character, also death battle is having a fight between kirby and Buu.
Xenoblade is as first party as it gets, and the Monado is actually
little more than a regale.
I'm sort of ok with Olimar as the Batman of Nintendo universe. Pikmin are pretty awesome.
Beren the Empty-Handed
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I just realized we're talking about "canon," in which case Kirby is 8 inches tall.
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That might disqualify him from being the strongest. A lot of the others could just step on him.
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That might disqualify him from being the strongest. A lot of the others could just step on him.
Definitely Kirby, Shulk, Ness, Rosalina and Palutena. Ike's really strong too, but he needed help to slay a god, so it's hard to say. Link's probably high tier too if he's using his best equipment.
Kirby's a LOT stronger than he looks. As shown before, he's able to split planets in half, despite his size. He could also just use the Warp Star (which lets him move at speeds faster than light) to avoid being stepped on.
Kirby's a LOT stronger than he looks. As shown before, he's able to split planets in half, despite his size. He could also just use the Warp Star (which lets him move at speeds faster than light) to avoid being stepped on.
GuessMyUserName
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... No? Monolith Soft is entirely Nintendo - so much more than what can be said of Game Freak / Pokemon Company, HAL, or Sakurai.
superNESjoe
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Some do. Some people use it to distinguish between what a company makes and what they are paying outside studios to make. If the company was aquired and not built by the parent company, then it is second party. It may be a borderline nitpick term, but it has a clear meaning.
Regardless I was wrong, I forgot entirely about that acquisition so Shulk counts, moreso than Pac or Sonic.
It has to be Pit or Palutena guys. Since there's no fourth wall in that game, we can assume they live in our world. As a result, they can easily head to Nintendo's offices, grab a game and rewrite the game code, and make everyone mentioned in this thread a bunch of weaklings that could fall to Goombas.
Hades wasn't lying when he said that.
Hades wasn't lying when he said that.
So the sword is the one with power ?
Kirby can COPY IT ENTIRELY
I'm convinced.
NHarmonic.
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dead.
MrOogieBoogie
BioShock Infinite is like playing some homeless guy's vivid imagination
Ganondorf should be up there based purely off the fact that his attacks all together are the most powerful in the Smash series, no?
So the sword is the one with power ?
Kirby can COPY IT ENTIRELY
Ehh, not quite...
Shulk's got another Monado far stronger than the red one that can only be wielded by him. Whereas the red one is a physical remnant of someone else's Monado, the other is a reality altering extension of his will.
Kirby still gets beat up consistently by the lowest and wimpiest of adversaries in every game installment.
Shulk, on the other hand, gets consistently stronger throughout Xenoblade and then, as others have said,
.
Now, I dunno about you, but I'd put my bet on Shulk.
Shulk, on the other hand, gets consistently stronger throughout Xenoblade and then, as others have said,
rewrites the universe
Now, I dunno about you, but I'd put my bet on Shulk.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
kirby has been experiencing somewhat of a power creep if anything, they starting to show how powerful kirby can suck things in return to dreamland and the 3DS game.
GuessMyUserName
Member
Eh? This has never been a quantifier for "second party" company. The term has always just been to differentiate between companies under control by a platform holder. Rare is a prime example of the difference. With Nintendo they were second-party, which is what allowed Microsoft to obtain the company in the first place, making it first-party for Microsoft. If Rare was a first party company to Nintendo, Microsoft never would've gotten them.
Coffee Dog
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No. Smash mechanics don't really matter. Nobody should be able to touch Ness as he can overpower reality warping through sheer force of will, but he's able to be hurt
ShockingAlberto
Member
A) No, you don't know what you're talking about.
B) Second-party was a term made up by Nintendo and is, at best, colloquial.
C) Even under Nintendo's weird definition, it never fit what you're describing. It can be used for studios that the company doesn't completely own but they partially own (usually less than a majority), like PS1-era Sony and Square. And basically no one uses it like that.
You're clearly not going to admit you're wrong and will keep retreating further into "I was actually technically right!" (which is also not true), but I hope you internally realize you're being dumb.
superNESjoe
Member
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_developer
If the company is a purchased or owned by a major company or produces games under contract for one platform exclusively, they are second party. Game Freak, Naughty Dog, Monolith, they are second party.
Granted, its all rather nitpicky, but this term has been used for this specific instance in the past. It's not used as much these days as they are all pretty much considered first or third party devs, but it has been used in this instance.
Big Xenoblade spoilers:
Shulk
is literally a god. The monado is part of him. The red monado isn't his, but the power he uses with it is his own. He's able to still use that power even with fake monados. Not only does he have the power to slay gods, he recreates the entire universe according to his will.
No, the game makes a pretty big point that it's not the sword that has the power but Shulk himself.So the sword is the one with power ?
Kirby can COPY IT ENTIRELY
edit :
THEORICALY Olimar is as small as a bug ... so WFT can squash him =P
Because Kirby does NOT want to fight.
He gots beaten because is more worried that the grass feels like pants !
And he CAN'T DIE on that form !
NES is awesome ... but he was fighting to protect EVERYTHING HE LOVES.
Kirby kills an unspeakable evil no fucks given because it was ON HIS PATH TO A CHOCOLATE CAKE.
superNESjoe
Member
A) You don't know me as a person, you have no reason to think I'm so unreasonable that I won't admit I'm wrong. My understanding of the term came from the information I could find. Even then I stated the terminology is flaky.
B) Your response is unnecessarily hostile.
To be fair, this entire subject is irrelevant because OP clearly states "Smash Bros. Universe", regardless of first/second/third party status. Shulk, Sonic, Mega Man and Pac-Man are part of the Smash universe for the simple fact they're playable in at least one game in the series.
chaosblade
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Shulk is insanely broken at the end of Xenoblade if we count that. Unless a character is a god, they can't possibly win against endgame Shulk. It's simply not in question no matter what they are capable of. And if they are a god-level character that shows weakness or limitations, they too are more or less out of consideration.
And that covers about everyone.
I think out of fairness, he should probably either be disqualified or not considered at his end-game potential.
And that covers about everyone.
I think out of fairness, he should probably either be disqualified or not considered at his end-game potential.
Aaronrules380
Member
The Only thing about Shulk as the answer is that
he has that ridiculous level of power for a very short amount of time before relinquishing it entirely at the end of the game
edit : should be noted that Smash Kirby has actualy TWO powers at the same time : Smash and Inhale. So Smash Kirby is even more powerfull than regular kirby. [/edit]
So the Smash's Shulk is not all powerfull Shulk ?
Ehh, not quite...
Shulk's got another Monado far stronger than the red one that can only be wielded by him. Whereas the red one is a physical remnant of someone else's Monado, the other is a reality altering extension of his will.
So the Smash's Shulk is not all powerfull Shulk ?