Murder. She Wrote
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Have you actually made an effort to look for Him?
I don't know why religious discussion brings out the stupid in people.
I don't know why religious discussion brings out the stupid in people.
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The falsity of religion & God(s) is so self evident, m'lady
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akachan ningen
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You GUESS you understand? You're not even sure of your own thoughts and yet you're so sure that there's no god...
Because some people need that. Some people's lives are so horrible that they need to believe in something to keep them going.
Deified Data
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I was going to make a snarky post about how many fedoras the OP must have been wearing when writing that post, but the thread title change pretty much did that for me
He's wearing a Hatris of fedoras.
I wasn't referring to Christian god specifically. Thinking "god" under broad terms. From my experience with religions, no two people will define god and practice their faith the exact same way, even if they are the same denomination. God could be anything, and should we even find "god" the whole world probably wouldn't agree on it.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Fuck off, man. Let people believe what they want as long as they don't hurt anyone.
The falsity of love is quite self-evident, as well. It makes no sense why I should feel emotional attachment towards my parents and brother. Proximity isn't valid, because I can be in close proximity to people I hate, such as co-workers and sibling rivalries. Utility isn't valid, because a child arguably gets more material benefit from prior investments into healthcare, education, and food by the government or other organisations. Gratitude isn't valid, because a mother may choose to birth a child due to less-than-selfless reasons (social pressures and legal restrictions against abortion, the social incentive of being a mother, utility of having a child as an investment/security, a sense of duty to sustain a lineage, et cetera). Overall, it seems that love is entirely false, nothing more than an anachronistic remnant of our ancestral past, where social bonds were created out of necessity to survive in a turbid environment.
Actually this is why I could really care less if people keep believing in a better place after death. Just think of all the horrible shit that goes on around the world in places like North Korea. At some point the brain does anything it can to keep you going.
Now look back across history of the horrible atrocities that were committed. Yep I can completely see how religion was created and perpetuated.
Tesseract
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how can it be obvious if the obviousness obviates itself from obviating itself from itself
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"It's a metaphor"
"It's faith it's not meant to be proven"
"God works in mysterious ways"
"There just has to be something there, it can't all be random"
Pick one. The fallacy of the most common arguments is the biggest proof of all.
That said, it's socially unacceptable to point out how obvious it all is, so you should feel bad, OP. Something something fedora something something r/atheism
"It's faith it's not meant to be proven"
"God works in mysterious ways"
"There just has to be something there, it can't all be random"
Pick one. The fallacy of the most common arguments is the biggest proof of all.
That said, it's socially unacceptable to point out how obvious it all is, so you should feel bad, OP. Something something fedora something something r/atheism
I generally go with "I don't know."
Is there a god or gods? I don't believe so, but I don't know.
As long as there's a human race people will be wondering about the big questions. We may get closer to actual answers or we may not, but we'll always be asking; not out of the need to clarify some arcane point of dogma or to prove that our particular position is correct, but because the questions themselves say something defining about us.
Is there a god or gods? I don't believe so, but I don't know.
As long as there's a human race people will be wondering about the big questions. We may get closer to actual answers or we may not, but we'll always be asking; not out of the need to clarify some arcane point of dogma or to prove that our particular position is correct, but because the questions themselves say something defining about us.
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Realizing the horrors people go through, realizing the terrible things even my parents had to witness growing up that I can never relate to, God or no god, either way he couldn't or really doesn't give a damn basically amounting to the something in life; that's the sobering thought to me.
Having something to believe, that there a god that cares makes people feel better, makes me feel better, but more and more that thought slides away everyday.
Having something to believe, that there a god that cares makes people feel better, makes me feel better, but more and more that thought slides away everyday.
Well then, there has been enough evidence to disprove a majority of interpretations of God. However you are right that in some sects, "God" is defined as the universe itself, and every single particle within it. To which point I would not even attempt to argue, because one could say that the universe is our creator from the big bang. I am not against the concept of a "God" as long as this god does not encourage ignorance and illogical behaviour. Which is, again, few interpretations.
Yep. That's the biggest thing.
Violence and torment for disbelief! Sounds like a god worth caring about.
Funny cause most Atheists in real life have never even heard of the term 'Atheist.'
Funny thing is God of Abraham religion started by telling people what they should believe.
ActuallyHulk
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God can't be proven or disproven through science. He exists outside of science. He created the science that he exists outside of. He is not bound by the laws that our universe is bound by. We are like goldfish in a glass bowl trying to prove the sky. For us with our knowledge it is completely and totally impossible for it to exist, and yet it is there.
Tesseract
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that's a helluva nonsense declaration
freakzilla149
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Of course, as you may have seen in my OP, I do accept that there are reasons for people to believe in God(s), whether because of history or because it's an emotional need. I was expressing my honest disbelief that people would choose something so obviously false and not something with a little bit more believable.
I suppose we're getting that with the newer, less literal interpretations of god where he/she is just some "cosmic energy that's inside all of us" and other wishy washy stuff that moves away from the more fantastical miracle-providing, wrath-having, worship requiring gods of the past.
Your definitions are confused. You are an atheist and agnostic, not one or the other. So I suppose you should begin avoiding yourself? (If at all possible).
But none of us were alive people being given the option of taking up religion or dying, so no atheist has the right to disprove beliefs so long as religious people let them be, lol.
Lulz. The confidence with which people spout this kinda stuff is fantastic
wait what made god then
I await you to draft a well-written paper on the origin of god, and why you refer to it as a he if it exists outside our realm of knowledge.
God wouldn't know, it's like a goldfish trying to prove the sky.
Ahahaha this is the most cringeworthy thing I have EVER seen. When he went up to the front desk I died inside. Like I don't even have words, just who does that???
FrostuTheNinja
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Beliefs should always be questioned and disproven. If a person is truly faith based, as one would claim, then the person's statement should make little difference in their life.
Your statement makes no sense here either. My writing style is purely my own, and I am not the first on this board to correct someone on that matter, neither was the last a "junior" as you put it.
The problem with that is that if something exists outside of science it by definition cannot have perceivable effects on the material world, and therefore is completely pointless from a practical standpoint
Not neccessarily. gnosticism/agnosticism and theism/atheism aren't coupled.
lol, mission accomplished. He just made a huge fucking mess for some minimum wage library worker. That'll show those people who read the Bible.
I want the OP to "demolish" some other topics that people think are super complicated, using a short series of one to three sentence paragraphs. Forget history's greatest minds spending thousands upon thousands of words with that shit. The OP goes right for the "obvious" answer. The genius is the simplicity.
The Israeli-Palestinian conflict should take about 6 sentences. Just set them up and knock them down, OP! After that, do you mind solving US politics?
The Israeli-Palestinian conflict should take about 6 sentences. Just set them up and knock them down, OP! After that, do you mind solving US politics?
That is true! He could be an agnostic theist. But from his usage of the term, I assumed otherwise.
Misinterpretation clearly. I never once said it made a difference. I said that because religion spread by forced means doesn't mean nonbelievers now have some right to say, "wow, can't prove god exists and it's all contradictory so you shouldn't believe in one. Science says so, too, don't be so daft." There's a difference. That's not disproving anything, it's just as backwards as the spread of Abrahamic religions.
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