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[freakzilla149]

You have no proof that I'm scratching my nose right now but that doesn't mean that I'm not doing it

It also doesn't mean someone should be going around claiming that you're scratching your nose using a magical diamond tipped nose scratcher with the power to turn people into newts and that scratching your nose with anything other than diamonds will result in eternal damnation.

 

[Askherserenity]

You have no proof that I'm scratching my nose right now but that doesn't mean that I'm not doing it

Unless you were typing one handed, we have all the proof right here.

 

[injurai]

It's quite simple. Think of God as a programmer and our universe as the program. Everything has to have a perfect set of rules but they don't apply to him because he exists outside of it. We know only the program and thus are unable to comprehend anything outside of it, nor do we have the tools we need to look beyond what were are given.

Time, space, and everything else are meaningless to a being that exists outside of them.

Computers are differential with respect to time so even making an analogy in relation to computation beyond our universe assumes that our experience of time is still contextual outside of the bounds of our universe.

Is it that hard to comprehend his statement? Just because someone creates the program doesn't mean he is bound by the limitations of it. You're thinking inside the box.

If there was a god programmer. We live in a deterministic world. But he can observe our universal computation and effect changes. Interventions or miracles. Either he does so in such a way that reruns the simulation with different parameters, or recalculates the past operations to simply disguise his interaction. In which case why should we bother putting faith into something actively deceives us of it's presence. And knowingly allows us to exist in an environment which leads us astray. Or traces are left of his presences and inconsistency arise which are observable from within the simulation. But we never do perceive such inconsistencies, we merely experience more and more corner cases under unique conditions.

 

[Coolwhip]

You have no proof that I'm scratching my nose right now but that doesn't mean that I'm not doing it

You have no proof I'm not a pink unicorn that can type.

 

[Log4Girlz]

You have no proof I'm not a pink unicorn that can type.

Well personally I just assumed...

 

[ElectricKaibutsu]

You have no proof I'm not a pink unicorn that can type.

Coolwhip, hallowed be thy name.

 

[LookAtMeGo]

May the lord be with you OP, for he knoweth all things and because you do not. Mayeth his light shine upon you and release you from the darkness and cast your soul from the pits of Sheol unto the true path of righteousness.

 

[orochi91]

Well personally I just assumed...

Lol

 

[Agremont]

Nah, I'm convinced there is a higher power guiding the intricacies of our universe.

Too much order for it all to have been a coincidence/random.

Not really. It's pretty chaoitic out there. It's just that we see the universe from an extremely limited time perspective.

 

[LegendX48]

I always knew it was way too good to be true.

 

[Princess Carl]

Nah, I'm convinced there is a higher power guiding the intricacies of our universe.

Too much order for it all to have been a coincidence/random.

I find it a comforting thought, to be honest.

God is real.



Lmao.

Love it.

I suggest looking up the role that chances and coincidences play in our small existence, let alone the infinite number of things in the universe. It will hopefully change your perspective on this.

 

[injurai]

Ah, ok. Thanks for the info.

Just to be clear, can someone be both agnostic and atheist? As I now understand it, an atheist rejects the belief whereas an agnostic just does not believe.

Depends on who you ask. I think agnosticism (in relation to theism) and atheism are distinct. I also don't see atheism as an ultimate truth claim saying we can know there is no god. Merely saying we there is no proof which would be necessary to believe in the particular gods that which others do claim to be real and relevant.

Agnosticism is a state of ambivalence. Possibly a transient ambivalence or possible a belief that we actually can't know either way. Atheism is a denial of a belief and bootstrapped understanding that at least theism can't possible be true.

Dawkin's made a nifty 7 point scale.

Many others on the web fall back to this other graph, which I disagree with. I won't post it because I think it's trash. But it puts Atheism and Theism on one axis, and agnosticism and gnosticism on the other axis. Each quadrant is a possible pairing of each atomic set. Gnostic Atheism is used to describe strong atheism, and agnostic is used to describe what I would just consider de-facto atheism. Agnostic Theism is really just deism, and Gnostic theism is theism.

The thing Gnostic Atheism should really describe de-facto atheism which is still only. "I can't possibly buy into theism, but I know I can't deny god. I will live under the assumption that there is no god or a deistic god is inconsequential to my life."

 

[Atraveller]

Fedora! r/Atheism!

 

[Tesseract]

injurai, my feynmanian brother, throwing down the ether

 

[johnsavage]

Technically, every single person "shits on billions of people" when it comes to their belief (or lack thereof) in God.

Every Christian thinks Muslims and Jews are wrong about god(s). Every Muslim thinks Christians and Jews are wrong about god(s). Every Jewish person thinks Muslims and Christians are wrong about god(s). Every Buddhist thinks Christians, Muslims, and Jews are wrong about god(s). Every atheist thinks everyone else is wrong about god(s).

Taking any sort of stance on god means you think every other person's "strong belief" is probably wrong. That's kind of the nature of disagreement over mutually incompatible ideas. Now sure, it doesn't mean we have to be mean about it or whatever, but this idea that because someone thinks they're right means they're "shitting on people" seems kinda odd. We all do this.

You can be a practicing, faithful, believing, member of any religion and mind your own fucking business and not care what other people think, or you can go on an internet forum and claim that their believes are wrong. One is shitting on people, the other isn't.

A dude driving to work who believes in the Flying Spaghetti Monster is not shitting on a Chinese Taoist playing counter strike.

 

[Maninthemirror]

Just as they say a disbeliever shouldn't be annoyed by a believer, a believer shouldn't be annoyed by the disbeliever.

A disbeliever usually assigns numbers and calculations as a measure of things around him while there are two sets of believers of God, one who believes blindly and one who believes that the numbers and calculations as a measure of things are in itself a result of God and a study of these aspects leads to being closer through trials and tribulations, to God .

The disbelievers biggest asset in people is the blind believer as proof that look here is proof the believer is stupid. To be offended by a belief to the point that it might to forcing that offended nature onto a believer essentially turns a disbeliever into that blind believer, full of bad logic and arrogance and contempt of the other individual

Another difference is a thinking believer often gets happy thinking about why they are here and the purpose of his creation is to be good while a blind believer thinks his purpose is to enforce his belief on to the thinking believer and the disbeliever. All the while the disbeliever often contemplates the why of the existence into philosophy and there is a sense of sadness in them that there will be nothing after them which is stark contrast to the thinking believer who sees this life as a vessel to an endless better life after this on earth so he is happy at the good deeds and concerned over the bad deeds

 

[Fury Sense]

Using the bible to prove nonexistence is just as irrational as using it to prove existence. Don't be silly OP.

 

[Tesseract]

what if god died

 

[Omega Ultimus]

what if god died

And in his will he didn't ask for a religious funeral because he didn't have any belief in a god.

 

[LookAtMeGo]

I believe in some form of higher intelligence, my idea of god is more that it is a being existing in a realm beyond our comprehension. Not some bearded man in the sky. I'm pretty open minded when it comes to intelligent design or some guiding hand by some form of intelligence that brought about the universe and its laws and life in it. I just don't think we know all we think we do about the origins of either. I try not to pretend I do. Hopefully we get some definitive answers in my lifetime.

 

[block tower]

i learned a long while back religion for many people is about being "right" and less about whats "true". when you challenge peoples faith your really just challenging their ego. so as much as its obvious that God and organized religion is a sham, youll fail to convince most people of faith that it is.

I believe in some form of higher intelligence, my idea of god is more that it is a being existing in a realm beyond our comprehension. Not some bearded man in the sky. I'm pretty open minded when it comes to intelligent design or some guiding hand by some form of intelligence that brought about the universe and its laws and life in it. I just don't think we know all we think we do about the origins of either. I try not to pretend I do. Hopefully we get some definitive answers in my lifetime.

so instead of believing in one of the current Gods of established religion, you just made up your own idea of God? i dont really see how thats any different from any other faith based religion or any less of a falsehood.

 

[TimorousPanda]

Depends on who you ask. I think agnosticism (in relation to theism) and atheism are distinct. I also don't see atheism as an ultimate truth claim saying we can know there is no god. Merely saying we there is no proof which would be necessary to believe in the particular gods that which others do claim to be real and relevant.

Agnosticism is a state of ambivalence. Possibly a transient ambivalence or possible a belief that we actually can't know either way. Atheism is a denial of a belief and bootstrapped understanding that at least theism can't possible be true.

Dawkin's made a nifty 7 point scale.

Many others on the web fall back to this other graph, which I disagree with. I won't post it because I think it's trash. But it puts Atheism and Theism on one axis, and agnosticism and gnosticism on the other axis. Each quadrant is a possible pairing of each atomic set. Gnostic Atheism is used to describe strong atheism, and agnostic is used to describe what I would just consider de-facto atheism. Agnostic Theism is really just deism, and Gnostic theism is theism.

The thing Gnostic Atheism should really describe de-facto atheism which is still only. "I can't possibly buy into theism, but I know I can't deny god. I will live under the assumption that there is no god or a deistic god is inconsequential to my life."

Wow, thanks for such an in-depth post. I learned quite a bit!

 

[Log4Girlz]

And in his will he didn't ask for a religious funeral because he didn't have any belief in a god.

What if god believed in us

 

[Cipherr]

You feeling euphoric, OP?

Lol yeah, thread comes off a little reddit'ish.

In any case. Its not that big of a deal. I think its sad a bit, but I have long realized that people will believe what they want. No need to lose sleep over it.

 

[injurai]

And in his will he didn't ask for a religious funeral because he didn't have any belief in a god.

it's bored programmers sitting in cosmic offices all the way up (all the way down is turtles)

 

[Tesseract]

And in his will he didn't ask for a religious funeral because he didn't have any belief in a god.

who gets his stuff

 

[Log4Girlz]

i learned a long while back religion for many people is about being "right" and less about whats "true". when you challenge peoples faith your really just challenging their ego. so as much as its obvious that God and organized religion is a sham, youll fail to convince most people of faith that it is.

Good post.

 

[Sajjaja]

Behold GAF,

The freed one has returned to the cave to remove these shackles and free us from this darkness!

Our prophet Plato has foretold his return!

We shall rebuild civilization anew on these new beliefs, free from wars and continue in the intellectual discourse that has been repressed for so long under the tyranny of a phony god's blessing! We shall construct monuments in the image of our saviour freakzilla149, and all those who stand before us shall be smited due to their inferior intellects.

TODAY, WE ARE ALL EUPHORIC.


IN-TELL-I-GENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Bay Maximus]

It's so obvious that God exists. You woke up this morning.

 

[Plywood]

Science damn you, Unified Atheist Alliance!

 

[Booshka]

 

[Tesseract]

them euphoric teeth

 

[LookAtMeGo]

so instead of believing in one of the current Gods of established religion, you just made up your own idea of God? i dont really see how thats any different from any other faith based religion or any less of a falsehood.

Eh.. Nobody has waged any bloody wars on my gods behalf. And for something to be false, shouldn't you have to be able to prove that it is so? You would make a good preacher of religion with that attitude.

 

[ginger ninja]

The proper response to the question of whether god exists is another question. Does it matter in how I will live my life?

If you can say no, join me in the delightful apathy of pragmatism (or Apatheism if you like funny words).

Edit: haha that thread title update

The falsity of love is quite self-evident, as well. It makes no sense why I should feel emotional attachment towards my parents and brother. Proximity isn't valid, because I can be in close proximity to people I hate, such as co-workers and sibling rivalries. Utility isn't valid, because a child arguably gets more material benefit from prior investments into healthcare, education, and food by the government or other organisations. Gratitude isn't valid, because a mother may choose to birth a child due to less-than-selfless reasons (social pressures and legal restrictions against abortion, the social incentive of being a mother, utility of having a child as an investment/security, a sense of duty to sustain a lineage, et cetera). Overall, it seems that love is entirely false, nothing more than an anachronistic remnant of our ancestral past, where social bonds were created out of necessity to survive in a turbid environment.

Y'all are blowing my mind right here.

 

[The Shogun]

Religion? I kinda see your point OP and I myself am not religious at all.

As to the existence of a "God"? No science 100% cant even begin to address such a concept. We have no answer on that and possibly never will unless we gain the ability to see outside of our own Universe.

 

[block tower]

Eh.. Nobody has waged any bloody wars on my gods behalf. And for something to be false, shouldn't you have to be able to prove that it is so? You would make a good preacher of religion with that attitude.

hey if you get enough followers you could probably get a good riot going lol. and nah, i really dont have to disprove a higher being you made up. the burden of proof that your higher being exists is on you. the proof for your higher being is the exact same as the proof for organized religions higher beings, which so far is nothing.

 

[Acinixys]

Religion? I kinda see your point OP and I myself am not religious at all.

As to the existence of a "God"? No science 100% cant even begin to address such a concept. We have no answer on that and possibly never will unless we gain the ability to see outside of our own Universe.

Religion yes

But saying God or a Creator absolutely doesn't exist seems a little silly

You cannot prove or disprove that something/someone made all the matter in the universe. I take the view that we cant and probably wont ever know

But outright saying that its 100% impossible seems just as bad as religious people calming its 100% possible

 

[CorvoSol]

what if god died

what if god was one of us

 

[Omega Ultimus]

What if god believed in us

"Listen up, my sons and daughters. Don't believe in yourselves. Believe in me. Believe in the god that believes in you!"

it's bored programmers sitting in cosmic offices all the way up (all the way down is turtles)

There are mice at the very top.

who gets his stuff

It turns out he was pretty heavily in debt and thought he could use the Universe as collateral. Didn't work out. But, he did have a pretty cool glow-in-the-dark Jimi Hendrix posters in his apartment. I guess we could put that up on the cosmic ceiling.

See ya later, star stuff suckas, I gotta chase that REM high.

 

[Log4Girlz]

what if god was one of us

I met some dude on the bus I suspected was divine

 

[LookAtMeGo]

hey if you get enough followers you could probably get a good riot going lol. and nah, i really dont have to disprove a higher being you made up. the burden of proof that your higher being exists is on you. the proof for your higher being is the exact same as the proof for organized religions higher beings, which so far is nothing.

Fair enough. Would you like to join me, brother? Even if the idea of god comes from an evolutionary development of the brain to help humans cope with death, and my idea of a god is just some defence mechanism to explain the unknown then I'm fine with that. Can't fight evolution.

 

[Fink]

Unless you were typing one handed, we have all the proof right here.

Pics?

You have no proof I'm not a pink unicorn that can type.

Well I never claimed you weren't!

 

[SpectreFire]

Is this basically just a stealth neckbeard thread?

 

[Log4Girlz]

Did I just fucking walk into Reddit?

Look in the mirror. Did a Fedora just mysteriously appear on your head?

 

[The Shogun]

Religion yes

But saying God or a Creator absolutely doesn't exist seems a little silly

You cannot prove or disprove that something/someone made all the matter in the universe. I take the view that we cant and probably wont ever know

But outright saying that its 100% impossible seems just as bad as religious people calming its 100% possible

Yep agree 100% with all of this. The fact is we don't know the origin of the Universe or what if anything came before. Science is badass but it, at the least with our present understanding of it, can't answer the question of if a "god" exists.

 

[block tower]

Fair enough. Would you like to join me, brother? Even if the idea of god comes from an evolutionary development of the brain to help humans cope with death, and my idea of a god is just some defence mechanism to explain the unknown then I'm fine with that. Can't fight evolution.

im in broski.

 

[soul creator]

You can be a practicing, faithful, believing, member of any religion and mind your own fucking business and not care what other people think, or you can go on an internet forum and claim that their believes are wrong. One is shitting on people, the other isn't.

A dude driving to work who believes in the Flying Spaghetti Monster is not shitting on a Chinese Taoist playing counter strike.

If those two ever met and had a discussion about their beliefs, they would think each other were wrong though.

Eh, I guess I don't see "shitting on opinions" in the way OP did it as some grand horrible thing. A little snarky, sure, and maybe not the most substance involved, but no worse than the numerous posts every day about "how the hell do people like movie/game/book/political belief/sports X?"

At the very least, the god question is theoretically a falsifiable claim (within the context of some religions), and not some pure opinion-based thing, so the best challenge I would think would be evidence of why he's wrong. Otherwise, we're just kinda proving his point, lol

 

[Bagels]

freakzilla149
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(Yesterday, 11:41 PM)

... it is very obvious that religions are false, we don't actually need hour long debates.

freakzilla149
Member
(Today, 01:39 AM)

[debate still ongoing]

 

[Booshka]

freakzilla149
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freakzilla149
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[debate still ongoing]

It aint no debate when you already won






/s

 

[Sigmaah]

Ain't no one gonna know till they die.

Facts.