Jest Chillin
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You would need to have the HMDI out to a capture card and screenshot it like that. The console's internal screenshot won't show the changes since that's unaltered by output.
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PS4's Automatic RGB setting is unreliable, so double check your TV / PS4
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You would need to have the HMDI out to a capture card and screenshot it like that. The console's internal screenshot won't show the changes since that's unaltered by output.
The same happens with the TV set to Limited.
And the brightness is not too high. On every 'black level test image', you can barely see the blackest bar, as it's supposed to be..
I have a Sony HDTV, but I can't find anything regarding Black Level in any of my options. I've tried looking under both Picture and Screen settings, as well as under Advanced, but the only thing I can see in-regard to Black Levels is the Black Corrector [which lets me choose Off/Low/Medium/High].
It's a relatively new HDTV [about a year old, and a recent model with CineMotion and all that] so I'd imagine it should have something to set my Black Level to Full, but I just can't find it. :/
It's a relatively new HDTV [about a year old, and a recent model with CineMotion and all that] so I'd imagine it should have something to set my Black Level to Full, but I just can't find it. :/
That's not going to be it, that sounds more like some sort of artificial brightness/contrast adjustment. What model TV do you have?
Terbinator
Member
What model? Did you check the steps I mentioned on the previous page?
OdysseusVA
Banned
And nothing changes when both set to full? Are the other picture settings on default or disabled (Dynamic Contrast)?
I don't know what model you have, but on my Sony. I go to Video Options. And then under "RGB Dynamic Range" are the options for limited or full. So possibly something along the lines of "Dynamic Range" in the menus.
Sorry for the delay, I had to find the manual.
The model is: 40EX645.
I did and couldn't find anything that related to my settings.
Thanks.Sorry for the delay, I had to find the manual.
The model is: 40EX645.
I did and couldn't find anything that related to my settings.
I was hoping to find reference to you being able to adjust the RGB settings or at least to whether your set supported limited or full RGB but I've not been able to find mention of anything online. The good news is that it doesn't matter as what's important is that the PS4 setting match up with whatever your your TV is compatible with.
It's a very simple thing to test and it should be instantly obvious which your set supports, people have posted the images on this thread so download one and try it on your PS4 or blu-rays can have test cards hidden on them if you know the access codes. Adjust the RGB settings on your PS4 while looking at that and if one of the settings means you can't see each gradation then you don't use that one.
I've got a Bravia too which supports only full RGB and I've never had any issues with the PS4 while using it, there's never been any issues with the two communicating correctly for me.
ComfyCouch
Banned
Thanks for this thread, I think my levels are correct now.
Nothing happens, and all other picture settings are turned off..
Thanks man, I appreciate your help.
I purchased a PS4 a few months ago but haven't played it a whole lot of time with it since there haven't been a lot of titles that interested me. However, with Bloodborne releasing soon, I'm trying to get everything calibrated properly so I can enjoy it.
I'll definitely do as suggested!
DirgeExtinction
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On my Samsung, when in PC mode, I can't change color space, nor Size from 16:9 to Screen Fit. It's a 2012 model.
OdysseusVA
Banned
Correct.
Yeah, really weird. Anyways, it's clearly outputting Full according to the test pics, and the picture is awesome, so I'm not complaining. Just find it odd that I can see the black bars even on Limited.
PS4 I believe needs to be checked if hooking up to a new source. I had to go thru the same thing with my Dell monitor.
Melchiah
Member
I tried to do that on my Bravia 40W5500, but for some reason Video Input Settings is greyed out, and it says it cannot be accessed in the mode I'm currently in.
Pegasos123
Member
i have set the rgb range at my sony w805b to full and also on the ps3 ...but i then i get crushed blacks which i see when i go to the game gamma settings of each game.
when i set both on limited, this is no issue.
shouldn't there be no black crush when both support full rgb?
when i set both on limited, this is no issue.
shouldn't there be no black crush when both support full rgb?
Terbinator
Member
What mode are you in? Maybe if you're not in 'game mode' or PC mode etc the option is possibly greyed out due to film/TV not benefiting from the Full range.
Melchiah
Member
I'm in the game mode. I tried the PC mode, it's called "graphics" here, and it remains greyed.
I tried this but all it did was make everything blurry almost like a watercolor effect. And then most of the options to tweak it get greyed out too.
Stormhammer
Member
Does anyone else have a Panasonic TC-L42E60? I can't seem to figure out if there's a way to set it to a PC mode, or what the preferred RGB setting is for the TV.
Setting my PS4 to limited or full makes absolutely no difference. Not sure if this is a good thing or a bad thing. I tested it by taking a screenshot in a dark area of Dragon Age Inquisition, then changing to limited, and taking another screenshot, then comparing them side by side. No difference at all.
My Bravia doesn't seem to have an option to change RGB output either... I went all through the various menus.
Strangely, my PS3 is set to Full, and there's a VERY noticeable difference if I change to limited- the XMB is completely washed out and looks awful. Changing it back to full makes it look normal again.
I've watched youtube videos, and read articles on why game consoles should never be set to full range RGB if connected to a TV, but these don't seem to be 100% correct for all types of displays.
My Bravia doesn't seem to have an option to change RGB output either... I went all through the various menus.
Strangely, my PS3 is set to Full, and there's a VERY noticeable difference if I change to limited- the XMB is completely washed out and looks awful. Changing it back to full makes it look normal again.
I've watched youtube videos, and read articles on why game consoles should never be set to full range RGB if connected to a TV, but these don't seem to be 100% correct for all types of displays.
You too ? Okay I must've done something wrong. I've got a samsung. What I tried was still having my PS4 on the HMDI1 in the menu, but renaming HDMI1 as PC in the slot where you can choose another name for inputs HDMI1,2 and 3 such as bluray, TV, camcorder etc. The screen did flicker, but my end result is like a blurry watercolor effect. Everything looked like a vaseline filter was over it. It also greys out a lot of picture adjustments when I set it that way.
I can see from 0 to 16 but from 235 to 255 the colors looks crushed. And lowering colors level doesnt help much :/
lowhighkang_LHK
Member
They need to get rid of the auto setting. People see it and say fuck it I'll leave it on auto. If you get rid of it this will allow people to research the concept of rgb range and figure it out themselves.
The colors between 235 and 255 are supposed to be indistinguishable. At least that's what it says on the top.
FiveMinuteHero
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I have a Samsung LED TV, and it has black level "Normal" and "Low" instead of Full/Limited RGB. I have done a bit of research and it seems that in some places I am told that 'full' is Normal and others that Low is 'full'. Can someone shed some light on this please? Thanks!
Nydus
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another hint that it may work as intented on the W802 from Sony:
When i change on the PS4 from Automatic to Full, no transition is noticable. But when i change to limited, the screen goes black for a second. This is while the TV is set to Auto.
So the PS4 is indeed outputting Full to the TV and the TV needs to readjust when the PS4 suddenly sends Limited.
I hope this hint helps. Dunno if something similar can be tested with other TVs.
I also thought sometimes that my blacks could be crushed or something like that. Because some caves in Dragon Age where really dark and i couldnt see shit. After some testing, i think that some caves are just supposed to be really dark
Btw all those test images in the browser are kinda confusing. I dont think we have a really good measure till we can view pictures on the PS4 itfself via USB or DLNA and not in the browser :/
When i change on the PS4 from Automatic to Full, no transition is noticable. But when i change to limited, the screen goes black for a second. This is while the TV is set to Auto.
So the PS4 is indeed outputting Full to the TV and the TV needs to readjust when the PS4 suddenly sends Limited.
I hope this hint helps. Dunno if something similar can be tested with other TVs.
I also thought sometimes that my blacks could be crushed or something like that. Because some caves in Dragon Age where really dark and i couldnt see shit. After some testing, i think that some caves are just supposed to be really dark
Btw all those test images in the browser are kinda confusing. I dont think we have a really good measure till we can view pictures on the PS4 itfself via USB or DLNA and not in the browser :/
FiveMinuteHero
Member
I have now set my PS4 to "FULL" and my Samsung HDMI 1 as 'PC'. This should be perfect right?
Caayn
Member
Thanks, I get a perfectly fine image (no crushes/clipping) with that picture on my VT60 both with limited and full RGB.
Commanche Raisin Toast
Member
Picking up a Vizio m702i-b3 in the next few months. Can't find anything on what it's RGB capabilities are.
Anyone have a similar model and know if it's limited or full RGB?
Anyone have a similar model and know if it's limited or full RGB?
From what I've read in other forums, if you're using your PS4 mostly for Blu Rays, you don't want to use Full RGB, as all movies, tv, etc are RGB - 16 - 235.
Full RGB - 0 - 255 is mostly if not exclusively used for PC? Do PS4 games even take advantage of Full RGB 0-255?
Full RGB - 0 - 255 is mostly if not exclusively used for PC? Do PS4 games even take advantage of Full RGB 0-255?
Two points (I have a Samsung):
(1) On some sets the PC/DVI HDMI IN is HDMI 1, on some it is HDMI 2, make sure to heck which yours is. It should have a label next to the port.
(2) setting most Samsungs to PC mode changes the neutral setting for sharpness to 50, not 0. So you may need to crank that up to 50, otherwise it will be blurrier than it should be.
Hope that helps.
Yes, provided that HDMI 1 is the correct port - see my other post above. Also change sharpness to 50, which should be neutral.
I had the same question a while back. After extensive research and testing, I came to the conclusion that "normal" on Samsungs is definitely full RGB range, and "low" is limited.
Why Samsung can't use terms that everyone can easily understand is beyond me.
How many people do you think would actually research the concept of RGB ranges and figure it all out?
Also, auto worked fine on most sets I've tried it on, including mine. Granted, I have a Sony Bravia.
xenorevlis
Member
Don't trust Auto setting for Limited / Full RGB. I've connected mine and friends PS4s on dozens of screens, projectors, and capture hardware and auto mostly detailed to limited even in hardware capable of Full RGB.
Manually set it yourself to match whatever your TV is capable of. PC/Full mode on both for best possible picture. Make sure things like sharpness is lowered to off state (nof negative, which blurs) and dynamic contrast is turned off, unless you don't mind (micro) dimming.
Manually set it yourself to match whatever your TV is capable of. PC/Full mode on both for best possible picture. Make sure things like sharpness is lowered to off state (nof negative, which blurs) and dynamic contrast is turned off, unless you don't mind (micro) dimming.
Oh, I though he said 235 to 255 should be viewable in Full RGB.
Canis lupus
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Faulted? But all my games looked great from day 1 with default settings. I'll try setting it to "full" and see if games can look better.
drotahorror
Member
The only fault that I've encountered is this:
If you have (and maybe this is specific to Sony TV's which doesn't make sense.. but w/e) If you have your TV on full, the console on full, games will show the appropriate black levels, colors etc. Blu ray playback though, outputs limited resulting in a washed out look. It's instantly noticeable if you're watching a letterboxed movie. This is remedied by setting the TV to limited and the console to limited. I've seen others report this issue, and it was in a Sony TV thread on avsforums.
Other than that, the RGB settings are not faulted at all. XB1's are faulted. Wii U's are faulted by omitting full range RGB and only offering limited.
If you have (and maybe this is specific to Sony TV's which doesn't make sense.. but w/e) If you have your TV on full, the console on full, games will show the appropriate black levels, colors etc. Blu ray playback though, outputs limited resulting in a washed out look. It's instantly noticeable if you're watching a letterboxed movie. This is remedied by setting the TV to limited and the console to limited. I've seen others report this issue, and it was in a Sony TV thread on avsforums.
Other than that, the RGB settings are not faulted at all. XB1's are faulted. Wii U's are faulted by omitting full range RGB and only offering limited.
Blu-Rays are output in Y Cb/Cr not RGB so changing RGB between Full or Limited will not affect it unless you choose to force Blu-Ray output via RGB. While the PS4 does have an option to change the Y Cb/Cr output to limited 16-235 or full 0-250 that should be left to Auto or manual to limited. Blu-Rays are mastered in 16-235 so this setting along with forcing RGB for Blu-Ray should only be changed if you are using a PC monitor or TV that for some reason is not processing or accepting the normal Y Cb/Cr signal.
Yes PS4 and PS3 games are internally rendered at 0-250 and there is quality to be gained by outputting in Full 0-250 as long as your monitor or TV is set to accept it but if your display only takes limited as long as your console is outputting limited as well than your picture will look just as good. In my own subjective tests as long as the signal and display are setup to match and your dispkay is adjusted for image accuracy there is little difference to the naked eye.
How many people do you think would actually research the concept of RGB ranges and figure it all out?
Also, auto worked fine on most sets I've tried it on, including mine. Granted, I have a Sony Bravia.
Panasonic here, Auto works as it should. Tested all options so no complaining from me
OdysseusVA
Banned
Have you tried adjusting Contrast and Brightness? Make sure you don't have Dynamic Contrast on or any options that messes with the picture/backlight. If you continue to have issues then your display may just clip 235-255 and there may not anything you can do.
The image was originally created to help those who wanted to setup their TVs for movies and such (16-235), so the wording is in that context. There should be steps under 16 and over 235 if you're verifying 0-255
I checked what you were saying about the different ports. I tried all 3 HDMI ports and the only one where the screen flickered and the picture changed when I set it as PC was HDMI1. The sharpness does go to 50 like you said. But most of the other options just get greyed out, and I lose the option to adjust sharpness, color, tint, black level/black adjust, and even the option to pick 'just scan' as the aspect ratio, and the picture quality still looks much worse than what I had before. Where before I could see threads on game characters clothing it now looked smoothed over. I'm not sure what's going on here.
Live Free or Die
Banned
I got a vizio m422ib1 and I dont know if it supports limited or full. I've been trying to find out and I've been trying to find a good calibration setting for it for the PS4.
Commanche Raisin Toast
Member
Damn.
I just want to make sure my blacks aren't going to be crushed, and that my display lag is minimized. That's all I ask.