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[llehuty]

There should be space in the video game business to make products which are targeted to excel in the visual presentation so they can be judged on those merits alone. Why should such visual masterpieces be tied down by expectation of people who do not understand the true goals of the product. I read many fans wanting to pick this game up based on how it looks so is there no rating system that protects the desires of said fans to be able to take pride in their purchases and know they're receiving a top-rated visual experience without it being dirtied by the expectation of people who don't appreciate the goes of presentation the product has set for itself? I don't know man... I just feel for people who are getting bummed out by these reviews and treated like what they want from the product is a mediocre gaming experience when what they want is in fact an excellent visual experience. If a game says its a platformer then we shouldn't attack it for not being a RTS and in the same right, if a game says its visually stunning then we shouldn't attack it for gameplay. People are even recommending not to purchase this game hence victimizing people who pre-ordered it. Its rather insensitive to come out and tell people not to buy something they've put money towards... AFTER THE FACT. No one likes to be judged for their purchasing decisions so this judgmental atmosphere at the very least seems rather anti-consumer. Aren't media supposed to be on the consumer's side? Finally on the idea that the product is too short... a good product should leave you wanting more. Like when people say you've overeaten when you feel bloated and you should stop eating when you feel you are about to get full.. in essence, you should be wanting more before you stop eating; this is the proper way. Overeating will make you obese and there's nothing good about that so why are we trying to promote over-gaming like its something healthy. The Order should be commended for not piling on the fat with unnecessary content, variety, game length and extra modes and collectable. It cares about the consumer's gaming health. Judged based on its visual fidelity and respect for consumer health, I'd give the order a 9.7 out of 10 but Metacritic won't carry my review on the "reviewer" section so I'll leave it here and I ask journalist to be kinder with their review. We need more products like the order. Dare I say it... I'd like to The Order another one of these!

Can this become a meme somehow?. This is "I don't know how much you know about Japanese culture (I'm an expert)" levels of amazing.

 

[Servbot24]

It's ironic that schools would use a system so stupid. When more than 50 percent of your grade range is used to represent only one grade, you fucked up.

If you are at a job and you fuck up 40% or more of your responsibilities, you deserve to get fired.

 

[ChuChuRocket]

MetaCritic 64

So even sony cant release it on IGC, what a waste of money. I really like RAD, they made two excellent GOW, but this time too much hope in the director (this Asien guy), sony had better stopped the development. ND Space game was in development canceled, Shu Keep your eyes open.

 

[Kouriozan]

Damn at those review, well, I kinda expected it.
I kept reading on GAF that this game would disappoint since E3.
Looks like a game you would watch rather than play, but I might play it in a few years once it hit PS+.

 

[SanguineShark]

Figured this would happen, but I feel for RaD. Even though it may not have turned out as many hoped, they still most likely put a lot of effort into the title. The game is beautiful with few technical problems, and that does not come easily.

 

[.Anema]

I'm really happy with the scores. This kind of games and developers needs to disappear, they are killing the gaming experience with poor and mediocre visual experiences trying to be games.
At least be honest RAD and please say than The Order is a visual novel of 5 hours length, but don't try to defend a mediocre product, please.

 

[RecursiveFault]

I'm kinda wondering what the reaction to the game would be if they'd removed basically all of the gameplay, marketed as a Telltales game kind of thing, and reduced the price. The game would be so far advanced for that genre of 'game/experience/thing', and with the gameplay excised, expectations for the game would be so much different.

Of course, the shite story and fact that it's a full-priced prologue would still get it marked down, but it would have been an interesting, and arguably more honest and innovative approach.

It's basically entirely an expectations thing.

People expect a degree of length or replay-ability for full price, people expect to want to play the game if you show off gameplay trailers.

If this thing was marketed more appropriately it wouldn't have had nearly as much backlash, doubly so if it had been priced at $30 or $40 or so.

 

[deltacanuckian]

Actually, they've been surprisingly, well...critical of games the last 6 months. Whether they would ever admit it or not, I think a lot of the criticisms lobbed at the gaming press these past 6 months have stung, and it definitely seems like they're out to prove their independence and bona fides of late, with harsher reviews of high profile titles and welcomed changes to ethical standards and review practices. I can only hope it continues, as nothing is gained by a gaming press that's just blandly positive and pridefully anti-consumer.

I've noticed this as well, but part of me wonders if they're overcompensating for it a bit. A lot of reviews I've read for various games the last six months have just been harping on what games aren't, rather than what they are. I can't say if that's happening again here, I haven't read the reviews. But it's reached a point where I just don't care for what the "professionals" have to say anymore.

The impressions posted here on GAF by people who got the game early convinced me that my interest in the game wasn't misplaced, so I'm going to be getting it. If I finish it incredibly fast and don't like it and all that, oh well, I didn't buy it for full price and I'll trade it in once I'm done. At the very least I'm going to get to see some phenomenal graphics and listen to a great soundtrack.

 

[Floridian]

MetaCritic 64

So even sony cant release it on IGC, what a waste of money. I really like RAD, they made two excellent GOW, but this time too much hope in the director (this Asien guy), sony had better stopped the development. ND Space game was in development canceled, Shu Keep your eyes open.

64 = 66? That's what i'm getting

 

[HardRojo]

IGN posted this on their Facebook page heh.

 

[Shaddy]

What is special about this compared to other tweets?

Those 3 people are professional gaming journalists.

 

[TheYanger]

I'm kinda wondering what the reaction to the game would be if they'd removed basically all of the gameplay, marketed as a Telltales game kind of thing, and reduced the price. The game would be so far advanced for that genre of 'game/experience/thing', and with the gameplay excised, expectations for the game would be so much different.

Of course, the shite story and fact that it's a full-priced prologue would still get it marked down, but it would have been an interesting, and arguably more honest and innovative approach.

A telltale game would've had a branching path with lots of decisions (Even if they ended in vaguely the same place per chapter), been twice as long, and cost 1/3 as much.

 

[FunkyPajamas]

There should be space in the video game business to make products which are targeted to excel in the visual presentation so they can be judged on those merits alone. Why should such visual masterpieces be tied down by expectation of people who do not understand the true goals of the product. I read many fans wanting to pick this game up based on how it looks so is there no rating system that protects the desires of said fans to be able to take pride in their purchases and know they're receiving a top-rated visual experience without it being dirtied by the expectation of people who don't appreciate the goes of presentation the product has set for itself? I don't know man... I just feel for people who are getting bummed out by these reviews and treated like what they want from the product is a mediocre gaming experience when what they want is in fact an excellent visual experience. If a game says its a platformer then we shouldn't attack it for not being a RTS and in the same right, if a game says its visually stunning then we shouldn't attack it for gameplay. People are even recommending not to purchase this game hence victimizing people who pre-ordered it. Its rather insensitive to come out and tell people not to buy something they've put money towards... AFTER THE FACT. No one likes to be judged for their purchasing decisions so this judgmental atmosphere at the very least seems rather anti-consumer. Aren't media supposed to be on the consumer's side? Finally on the idea that the product is too short... a good product should leave you wanting more. Like when people say you've overeaten when you feel bloated and you should stop eating when you feel you are about to get full.. in essence, you should be wanting more before you stop eating; this is the proper way. Overeating will make you obese and there's nothing good about that so why are we trying to promote over-gaming like its something healthy. The Order should be commended for not piling on the fat with unnecessary content, variety, game length and extra modes and collectable. It cares about the consumer's gaming health. Judged based on its visual fidelity and respect for consumer health, I'd give the order a 9.7 out of 10 but Metacritic won't carry my review on the "reviewer" section so I'll leave it here and I ask journalist to be kinder with their review. We need more products like the order. Dare I say it... I'd like to The Order another one of these!

Somebody please PLEASE do a dramatic reading.

 

[reptilescorpio]

MetaCritic 64

So even sony cant release it on IGC, what a waste of money. I really like RAD, they made two excellent GOW, but this time too much hope in the director (this Asien guy), sony had better stopped the development. ND Space game was in development canceled, Shu Keep your eyes open.

Asien?

 

[Tookay]

I'm having trouble separating the troll posts from the serious ones.

 

[bananafactory]

MetaCritic 64

So even sony cant release it on IGC, what a waste of money. I really like RAD, they made two excellent GOW, but this time too much hope in the director (this Asien guy), sony had better stopped the development. ND Space game was in development canceled, Shu Keep your eyes open.

lol. what??

 

[orthodoxy1095]

I'm really happy with the scores. This kind of games and developers needs to disappear, they are killing the gaming experience with poor and mediocre visual experiences trying to be games.
At least be honest RAD and please say than The Order is a visual novel of 5 hours length, but don't try to defend a mediocre product, please.

Do you think Visual Novels aren't a kind of game?

 

[hesido]

There should be space in the video game business to make products which are targeted to excel in the visual presentation so they can be judged on those merits alone. Why should such visual masterpieces be tied down by expectation of people who do not understand the true goals of the product. I read many fans wanting to pick this game up based on how it looks so is there no rating system that protects the desires of said fans to be able to take pride in their purchases and know they're receiving a top-rated visual experience without it being dirtied by the expectation of people who don't appreciate the goes of presentation the product has set for itself? I don't know man... I just feel for people who are getting bummed out by these reviews and treated like what they want from the product is a mediocre gaming experience when what they want is in fact an excellent visual experience. If a game says its a platformer then we shouldn't attack it for not being a RTS and in the same right, if a game says its visually stunning then we shouldn't attack it for gameplay. People are even recommending not to purchase this game hence victimizing people who pre-ordered it. Its rather insensitive to come out and tell people not to buy something they've put money towards... AFTER THE FACT. No one likes to be judged for their purchasing decisions so this judgmental atmosphere at the very least seems rather anti-consumer. Aren't media supposed to be on the consumer's side? Finally on the idea that the product is too short... a good product should leave you wanting more. Like when people say you've overeaten when you feel bloated and you should stop eating when you feel you are about to get full.. in essence, you should be wanting more before you stop eating; this is the proper way. Overeating will make you obese and there's nothing good about that so why are we trying to promote over-gaming like its something healthy. The Order should be commended for not piling on the fat with unnecessary content, variety, game length and extra modes and collectable. It cares about the consumer's gaming health. Judged based on its visual fidelity and respect for consumer health, I'd give the order a 9.7 out of 10 but Metacritic won't carry my review on the "reviewer" section so I'll leave it here and I ask journalist to be kinder with their review. We need more products like the order. Dare I say it... I'd like to The Order another one of these!

You gave my sarcasm detector a good run for its money. I mean, it's obvious at times but then again it could have been serious at others.

 

[Alienous]

IGN posted this on their Facebook page heh.

 

[Kacho]

IGN posted this on their Facebook page heh.

hahaha those bullies

 

[jim-jam bongs]

There should be space in the video game business to make products which are targeted to excel in the visual presentation so they can be judged on those merits alone. Why should such visual masterpieces be tied down by expectation of people who do not understand the true goals of the product. I read many fans wanting to pick this game up based on how it looks so is there no rating system that protects the desires of said fans to be able to take pride in their purchases and know they're receiving a top-rated visual experience without it being dirtied by the expectation of people who don't appreciate the goes of presentation the product has set for itself? I don't know man... I just feel for people who are getting bummed out by these reviews and treated like what they want from the product is a mediocre gaming experience when what they want is in fact an excellent visual experience. If a game says its a platformer then we shouldn't attack it for not being a RTS and in the same right, if a game says its visually stunning then we shouldn't attack it for gameplay. People are even recommending not to purchase this game hence victimizing people who pre-ordered it. Its rather insensitive to come out and tell people not to buy something they've put money towards... AFTER THE FACT. No one likes to be judged for their purchasing decisions so this judgmental atmosphere at the very least seems rather anti-consumer. Aren't media supposed to be on the consumer's side? Finally on the idea that the product is too short... a good product should leave you wanting more. Like when people say you've overeaten when you feel bloated and you should stop eating when you feel you are about to get full.. in essence, you should be wanting more before you stop eating; this is the proper way. Overeating will make you obese and there's nothing good about that so why are we trying to promote over-gaming like its something healthy. The Order should be commended for not piling on the fat with unnecessary content, variety, game length and extra modes and collectable. It cares about the consumer's gaming health. Judged based on its visual fidelity and respect for consumer health, I'd give the order a 9.7 out of 10 but Metacritic won't carry my review on the "reviewer" section so I'll leave it here and I ask journalist to be kinder with their review. We need more products like the order. Dare I say it... I'd like to The Order another one of these!

AC was a deeply flawed game that also had great visuals. The launch was bad. I'm not crazy for goodness sakes!

 

[jem0208]

It's ironic that schools would use a system so stupid. When more than 50 percent of your grade range is used to represent only one grade, you fucked up.

If you only know half the content then you should fail.

I think it's a little harsh that 60+ is a fail though...

My exam's had a system where the grade boundaries are modified to fit how difficult the exam was. One paper I did had the A* at about 60%...

 

[Darklord]

Those 3 people are professional gaming journalists.

And? A critic can't dislike a game?

 

[badboy78660]

IGN posted this on their Facebook page heh.

 

[Papercuts]

The best part about the hipbabboom post is that it got some people to actually agree.

 

[Derpyduck]

If you are at a job and you fuck up 40% or more of your responsibilities, you deserve to get fired.

Bullshit. Show me a quarterback with a 60 percent completion rate that gets fired for it.

If you only know half the content then you should fail.

I think it's a little harsh that 60+ is a fail though...

My exam's had a system where the grade boundaries are modified to fit how difficult the exam was. One paper I did had the A* at about 60%...

So many people missing the point. Why do you need 60 percent of a scale to represent a failure? That in itself is a failure.

 

[Servbot24]

MetaCritic 64

So even sony cant release it on IGC, what a waste of money. I really like RAD, they made two excellent GOW, but this time too much hope in the director (this Asien guy), sony had better stopped the development. ND Space game was in development canceled, Shu Keep your eyes open.

Dozens of ND games have probably been cancelled.

 

[mcrommert]

You gave my sarcasm detector a good run for its money. I mean, it's obvious at times but then again it could have been serious at others.

Look at his other posts...he is very serious

 

[BreezyLimbo]

Do you think Visual Novels aren't a kind of game?

Visual Novels tend to be much cheaper. $10-$20. They're also marketed as much. The Order was pegged as a cinematic 3rd person shooter for $60. Honestly, if the game was much cheaper, probably half price, it would've been received much better.

 

[shintoki]

There should be space in the video game business to make products which are targeted to excel in the visual presentation so they can be judged on those merits alone. Why should such visual masterpieces be tied down by expectation of people who do not understand the true goals of the product. I read many fans wanting to pick this game up based on how it looks so is there no rating system that protects the desires of said fans to be able to take pride in their purchases and know they're receiving a top-rated visual experience without it being dirtied by the expectation of people who don't appreciate the goes of presentation the product has set for itself? I don't know man... I just feel for people who are getting bummed out by these reviews and treated like what they want from the product is a mediocre gaming experience when what they want is in fact an excellent visual experience. If a game says its a platformer then we shouldn't attack it for not being a RTS and in the same right, if a game says its visually stunning then we shouldn't attack it for gameplay. People are even recommending not to purchase this game hence victimizing people who pre-ordered it. Its rather insensitive to come out and tell people not to buy something they've put money towards... AFTER THE FACT. No one likes to be judged for their purchasing decisions so this judgmental atmosphere at the very least seems rather anti-consumer. Aren't media supposed to be on the consumer's side? Finally on the idea that the product is too short... a good product should leave you wanting more. Like when people say you've overeaten when you feel bloated and you should stop eating when you feel you are about to get full.. in essence, you should be wanting more before you stop eating; this is the proper way. Overeating will make you obese and there's nothing good about that so why are we trying to promote over-gaming like its something healthy. The Order should be commended for not piling on the fat with unnecessary content, variety, game length and extra modes and collectable. It cares about the consumer's gaming health. Judged based on its visual fidelity and respect for consumer health, I'd give the order a 9.7 out of 10 but Metacritic won't carry my review on the "reviewer" section so I'll leave it here and I ask journalist to be kinder with their review. We need more products like the order. Dare I say it... I'd like to The Order another one of these!

This is the most beautiful review I've laid eyes upon.

These eyes actually have tears in them.

You get a 9.7 out of 10.

 

[i-Lo]

IGN posted this on their Facebook page heh.

Well, it's all about going that extra mile.

 

[TsuWave]

Sony fanboys reported fake Kaz twitter account and got it suspended.

none of these things happened

 

[EventHorizon]

It's a testament to the artistic nature of this product. It's fresh and provocative and has the attention of people and is able to drive much discourse where people have plenty of interesting and varied perspectives on the matter. It's further proof of excellence in my opinion. My only regret is that people do not realize they are also apart of the performance piece hence fail to judge themselves as part of the work. I would never give myself a 4/10... I love myself too much to be that derisive to me as a work of art and I respect all the people who helped move me forward in live to where I am today. I honestly believe that instead of such nihilistic perspective on the product but taking a more holistic perspective would allow people to see themselves in this product and perhaps yield much different opinions ad assessments.

Ultimately art speaks to each differently but we have to be willing to listing and since will as an internal process, I have no choice but to respect everyone's perspective on the product even if I strongly feel otherwise.

What in the world? It's a game that people spend good money for in order to be entertained. The game isn't living up to that simple criteria. You might think The Order has some larger artistic scope, but few others do. With your line of thinking a game could sell for $60 and literally have your character walking in circles for hours and you'd be fine with that because it was the developers artistic intent to comment on something or other.

Look if an artist wants to provoke a larger discussion, that's perfectly fine. Just don't ask other people to pay $60 for you to do it. Once you do that then you invite people to become part of the performance piece of calling your work of art a waste of time and money.

 

[Drakendodertje]

You should get a million fucking dollars for this.

 

[T.O.P]

IGN posted this on their Facebook page heh.

They're going all in, damn :lol

 

[Korten]

Well, it's all about going that extra mile.

I'll keep saying it. Gamers are no longer are able to just "dislike" something, they must make sure everyone knows. It's like they get off at it.

 

[Maninthemirror]

this is why i never pay attention ot early impressions from gamers and wait for both the gamers after game launch and game reviews.

 

[Smash88]

I hope he stays off twitter/doesn't talk to the press for a while, TB gave some good advice IMO http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1skov0u

TB on point as usual.

 

[Air Zombie Meat]

I think he might be serious guys.

 

[Mifec]

There should be space in the video game business to make products which are targeted to excel in the visual presentation so they can be judged on those merits alone. Why should such visual masterpieces be tied down by expectation of people who do not understand the true goals of the product. I read many fans wanting to pick this game up based on how it looks so is there no rating system that protects the desires of said fans to be able to take pride in their purchases and know they're receiving a top-rated visual experience without it being dirtied by the expectation of people who don't appreciate the goes of presentation the product has set for itself? I don't know man... I just feel for people who are getting bummed out by these reviews and treated like what they want from the product is a mediocre gaming experience when what they want is in fact an excellent visual experience. If a game says its a platformer then we shouldn't attack it for not being a RTS and in the same right, if a game says its visually stunning then we shouldn't attack it for gameplay. People are even recommending not to purchase this game hence victimizing people who pre-ordered it. Its rather insensitive to come out and tell people not to buy something they've put money towards... AFTER THE FACT. No one likes to be judged for their purchasing decisions so this judgmental atmosphere at the very least seems rather anti-consumer. Aren't media supposed to be on the consumer's side? Finally on the idea that the product is too short... a good product should leave you wanting more. Like when people say you've overeaten when you feel bloated and you should stop eating when you feel you are about to get full.. in essence, you should be wanting more before you stop eating; this is the proper way. Overeating will make you obese and there's nothing good about that so why are we trying to promote over-gaming like its something healthy. The Order should be commended for not piling on the fat with unnecessary content, variety, game length and extra modes and collectable. It cares about the consumer's gaming health. Judged based on its visual fidelity and respect for consumer health, I'd give the order a 9.7 out of 10 but Metacritic won't carry my review on the "reviewer" section so I'll leave it here and I ask journalist to be kinder with their review. We need more products like the order. Dare I say it... I'd like to The Order another one of these!

This has to be the dankest post I ever read on GAF, congrats good sir

 

[OnADock]

Bullshit. Show me a quarterback with a 60 percent completion rate that gets fired for it.

Quarterbacks don't get letter grades. Would you like a surgeon messing up what kind of drug he needs to use 41% of the time?

 

[Cels]

i liked their god of war psp games but wow, people saying this is PS4's ryse seem to be right on the money (all style and no substance)

 

[RustyNails]

MetaCritic 64

So even sony cant release it on IGC, what a waste of money. I really like RAD, they made two excellent GOW, but this time too much hope in the director (this Asien guy), sony had better stopped the development. ND Space game was in development canceled, Shu Keep your eyes open.

This asian guy...It's already hard for minorities to break into American videogames development, and then we have people like this who do not fail to bring their race into discussion, as if it somehow matters. We still have a long way to go.

 

[TheRedSnifit]

Can this become a meme somehow?. This is "I don't know how much you know about Japanese culture (I'm an expert)" levels of amazing.

I call dibs.

 

[Ferrio]

I'll keep saying it. Gamers are no longer are able to just "dislike" something, they must make sure everyone knows. It's like they get off at it.

This is not a new thing.

 

[FonkyByNature]

I'm really happy with the scores. This kind of games and developers needs to disappear, they are killing the gaming experience with poor and mediocre visual experiences trying to be games.
At least be honest RAD and please say than The Order is a visual novel of 5 hours length, but don't try to defend a mediocre product, please.

Need to disappear ? Aren't you a little harsh here buddy ?

So all devs that make a game that has under 60 metacritic should disappear ? It's people like you that maybe need to stop playing videogames, there's everything for everyone. If you don't like that kind of game, there's tons of other styles that will suit you for sure.

It's like RAD killed your family, they're devs that put their heart and soul in a game they believed in.

 

[Flachmatuch]

I'll keep saying it. Gamers are no longer are able to just "dislike" something, they must make sure everyone knows. It's like they get off at it.

The backlash is usually proportional to the artificially generated hype. That's not exactly bad.

 

[Brydo0]

Still excited to play The Order tonight, now more so for understanding what the hub bub is about first hand.

 

[NullPointer]

Videogamer video review is a thing of beauty.

This is the money line for me, and represents exactly how this cinematic approach to games can fall flat on its face:

"To say that the game constantly interrupts you seems true after a few hours - its constantly going here's a cut-scene, here's a cut-scene, here's a cut-scene. But the game isn't actually interrupting you - you are interrupting it."

(link)

 

[Belldandy]

This game is going to be excellent and I will love it. I can predict that based on what I played at PAX which was an intelligent cover shooter, not a QTE game. Besides, I actually loved Ryse.