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EA and Visceral Games Announce Battlefield Hardline Premium
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giancarlo123x
Banned
I feel like I got in a time machine reading reactions like this.
KillaKalz347
Banned
Might get this game depending on if a few of my friends on PC grab it, since Battlefield 4 will be getting support through the end of 2015, I'll probably be spending all my time on that.
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
I'll save my $110 for Star Wars Battlefront and Premium for it.
Anton Sugar
Member
This. Premium is actually one of the few DLC "season passes" that seems worth it, in terms of content. I wasn't as crazy about the BF4 Premium content vs BF3, but they both essentially triple the number of maps (I think each base game had roughly ~10 maps at launch), add a ton of weapons, vehicles, some new game modes, customization, etc.
It also seems like BF4 Premium is getting some previously unplanned additional content, so there's that.
So I get that have high emotional value language is fun and punchy, but it degrades the level of discourse in here.
I'm glad I bought premium for BF4, I wouldn't still be playing that game if I hadn't. This game though, I can't really get behind.
My guess is that they have to get ready for battle front premium.
It gets hate? It's a way better value than the COD season pass, though so far, it looks like Advanced Warfare is the best value the series has offered in that department.
Premium usually adds great new maps, has like 5 releases, really fun new game modes recently, weapons, vehicles, assignments, tags, etc. Pays for itself. As far as season pass type stuff goes, I'd say there is no better value on the market right now in terms of content per dollar. It's a great way to keep the game alive and doesn't seem like a quick cash job.
Edit: Just saw this only has four expansions. That's pretty weird. This game is making it difficult for me to be interested.
Mad Season
Banned
EA WAS on a good roll.....
it's not "cool to hate on DLC these days", at this point people are more than entitled to hate on d1 DLCs, stupid premium privileges, season passes of freshly announced games and similar disgusting policies that some/most of the companies do.
you paid for that and enjoyed all of it? Good for you, and surely calling someone a moron isn't nice nor too fair. but let's not pretend that hating on that way of thinking/doing is "the new trend", or that nothing is wrong with it.
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
I've got no problem with substantial DLC like what is pumped out for Battlefield.
I only have a problem when a game is released whether it is ready or not and is broken for four months.
I only have a problem when a game is released whether it is ready or not and is broken for four months.
tonythedemon
Neo Member
Getting nothing off EA after BF4
What has that to do with this?
I suppose the size of the issue depends on where you live. There's around 5 servers in the world for BF4 that have great latency and run maps and modes I want to play. Other people seem to prefer those servers too, because the queues are usually at least 5-10 people long. If you don't have premium, you might never get onto the server (I haven't tried since I bought BF4 premium from India.. or Mexico?).
Anton Sugar
Member
Well, the thing is that there are several posts in this thread expressing surprise and/or disgust at this move, when:
1) It should not surprise anyone familiar at all with BF3/BF4
2) It's unfair to compare Premium to your average DLC, as DICE/EA actually delivers a lot of content for $50
Not even in the days of Battlefield 2 would I expect 20 maps, 20 weapons, 10 new vehicles, new games modes, events, more customization, etc., to be free. IMO, they've done a good job providing enough value to validate $50.
That doesn't mean it can't be criticized or you can't be distrusting of EA/DICE for other reasons, of course. Day 1 DLC blows, server issues for months after release blow, poor server selection blows, etc.
This is totally unexpected news for sure... if this game does well and people like it and reviews say its good I might get it later this year, but it would have to be on sale by the time I'd bite.
BF4 sound issues (muted sound problem and loop issue) not being fixed for a long time really turned me off really quick from this franchise, I even bought all the DLC for BF4 (I am a fool), I played it for maybe 10 hours max. I put many HOURS into BF3 though...
BF4 sound issues (muted sound problem and loop issue) not being fixed for a long time really turned me off really quick from this franchise, I even bought all the DLC for BF4 (I am a fool), I played it for maybe 10 hours max. I put many HOURS into BF3 though...
Sax Russel
Banned
Not buying Hardline, but I did buy BF3 and 4 and thought Premium for those was well worth it since I ended up playing through all the map packs.
Battlefront Premium though... all over that :>
Battlefront Premium though... all over that :>
Evil_Silver
Banned
Yep.
I hope there is someone from Visceral reading this (Monkeypants Codemonkey? I don't remember the name).
Hardline Premium is such a missed opportunity. They should offer all those guns, masks and other stuff but not Map Packs. Map Packs should be free to anyone that buy the game.
If you don't want to give maps to people that buy used, do it like DICE did with Bad Company 2 and VIP Pass. Everyone that buy the game new gets a code to VIP and has access to all Map Packs.
Hell, make VIP Pass a part of premium so people that buy it used have to get premium if they want the maps, but give the maps for free. It helps grow and foster the community immensely, it helps the longevity of the game.
I think hardline could have been an amazing opportunity to study and find a way to monetize the game without selling map packs. In a way you guys and DICE/EA are already doing that with Battlepacks and Boosters.
Maps Packs are bad, they fragment the community. Most maps packs get relegated by the player base and server admins a few months after release. Just look at the maps packs for BF4.
I'm saying this as a hardcore BF player, who ALWAYS buys the game new and always buys Premium. I'm buying Hardline and I'm buying Premium for Hardline, I'm the guy who gets everything but has very few people to play if I want to play some of the maps of the earlier expansion packs. I want everyone to have all the maps because most times I can't find servers playing some of the maps I want to play.
Hardline Premium is such a missed opportunity. They should offer all those guns, masks and other stuff but not Map Packs. Map Packs should be free to anyone that buy the game.
If you don't want to give maps to people that buy used, do it like DICE did with Bad Company 2 and VIP Pass. Everyone that buy the game new gets a code to VIP and has access to all Map Packs.
Hell, make VIP Pass a part of premium so people that buy it used have to get premium if they want the maps, but give the maps for free. It helps grow and foster the community immensely, it helps the longevity of the game.
I think hardline could have been an amazing opportunity to study and find a way to monetize the game without selling map packs. In a way you guys and DICE/EA are already doing that with Battlepacks and Boosters.
Maps Packs are bad, they fragment the community. Most maps packs get relegated by the player base and server admins a few months after release. Just look at the maps packs for BF4.
I'm saying this as a hardcore BF player, who ALWAYS buys the game new and always buys Premium. I'm buying Hardline and I'm buying Premium for Hardline, I'm the guy who gets everything but has very few people to play if I want to play some of the maps of the earlier expansion packs. I want everyone to have all the maps because most times I can't find servers playing some of the maps I want to play.
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
Someone is a bit salty.
Premium is the only good season pass system. Most people who buy it (or at least talk about it online) are the kind of people who love Battlefield and would buy the DLC anyway. With Premium they save money and get more stuff.
SneakyStephan
Banned
50 dollars worth of dlc for a 60 dollar standalone mod for a 60 dollar game with no mod support + 50 dollars of dlc of its own , in a series built on its modding community.
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2002->2015
I have no idea why people are surprised by this either.
I wasn't referring specifically to this game but sure, there might be a lot of content and it might be worth every penny, so that seems better than what other companies usually offer. however I still see it as a "part of the problem". also one thing that sounds quite awful is priority position in server queues, again it's not new but I've never had the pleasure the see the effects of it so I don't know how bad that actually is.
IbizaPocholo
NeoGAFs Kent Brockman
Sorry for the haters but day 1 for me.I have the premium in bf3 and bf4 from day 1 and it's a great service for me.
Surprise. BF4 has it also. And alot more people have premium for that game. So you would notice it there more.
Irresistable Thing
Member
To be honest, I think Battlefield's DLC packs have always been amazing. Probably the best bang/buck when compared to other comparable DLC packs.
Reckless Onion
Member
It's the same in BF4 so you may want to instant no buy that also.
Not that it's actually a problem, just pick a server with enough room like any normal person or use the matchmaking. You'll never see a queue in your life
Have you seen the amazing and amount of content you get in bf4 with premium? arguably one of the best season passes(because thats what it is basically) out there
Anton Sugar
Member
The Hardline hate is strong.
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
$110 for a complete game?
Bwaahahahahaha
you reap what you sow
ElzarTheBam
Member
The amount of ignorance in this thread is outstanding.
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
Yeah, I can't remember the last time I actually had to use the queue. It's not Comcast Evil like how some of you who are ridiculously overreacting believe.
Premium is a good value. If I was buying Hardline I'd get it. When I get Star Wars Battlefront I will buy it then.
Also, "complete game" bullshit up there? Give me a break, you can buy Battlefield 4 with no DLC and enjoy it just as much if you bought Premium. The DLC is complementary to the base experience.
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
I'm so glad I got off the Battlefield franchise on time(last one I played was 3 for several hours)... I was such a huge fan and played BF2 and BC2 for THOUSANDS of hours back in the day.
I recall getting DLC for BC2 and it being like 20 bucks, but it was after the game was out and just once, not freaking 110 bucks when the game isn't even out yet.
I recall getting DLC for BC2 and it being like 20 bucks, but it was after the game was out and just once, not freaking 110 bucks when the game isn't even out yet.
Trogdor1123
Member
How is the actual game? It looked stupid to me but I have not played it so thought I would ask.
The priority queue thing blows my mind...
The priority queue thing blows my mind...
TheSinkingKnight
Member
I would imagine that Battlefront will have that too.
Better then i was expecting. When the rumours started about this game i was scared. Then it was confirmed i was quite mad. They were still working on BF4 and didnt want a COD like cashgrab. Played the first beta for abit and was not feeling it. It really felt like a mod and there was alot of copy/paste. Put it of my list for the games i was gonna buy.
Then they delayed it and i got a better feeling about the game. But still wasnt gonna buy it.
But then the last beta was there. I just tried it just because i could and was very suprised. I played 600 hours in BF4 and in the 15 hours i played in Hardline i had so much fun. The gunplay was back in BF. No ucav, mortar, AC gunship spam. I had the feeling i was playing the base BF3 game again. Good urban combat, not tons of vehicles. Like i was playing Bazaar and Seine again with good soldier movement.
I went back after the beta to BF4 and i just couldnt play it anymore. So much little things are annoying in that game. I came to live with it because there wasnt anything else to play. But after the beta i just get frustrated and i dont see myself playing BF4 for another 9 months.
goldsoundz
Member
Premium is by far the best season pass value there is based on BF 3&4. I'll definitely pay $50 for Hardline Premium if the new maps seem worth it.
Anton Sugar
Member
It's really not fair to compare this DLC to Bad Company 2's. BC2 had 6 free "map packs", which were just vanilla maps with the rest of the game modes ported to them. The final map pack actually had new maps (that is, repurposed or remade maps).
BC2: Vietnam wasn't $50, but it also only had 5 new maps, 6 new vehicles, and 15 new weapons.
BF2 comparisons are more fair and while I can't find the original prices for the SF expansion pack and the booster packs, they added about 22 weapons, 14 maps, and 22 vehicles to the base game. I bet if you added up the cost for all three, it would be similar to Premium.
Serious question: what's the difference in paying for DLC at the time of release versus pre-paying for it at launch?
Paying for Premium ahead of the launch of all its content is basically a vote of confidence. The riskiest moment to do this was probably at BF3's launch, when the service was untested and completely new.
However, we now have a good idea of how much content we'll get with Hardline premium. Paying ahead of time for this content really isn't that crazy.
BC2: Vietnam wasn't $50, but it also only had 5 new maps, 6 new vehicles, and 15 new weapons.
BF2 comparisons are more fair and while I can't find the original prices for the SF expansion pack and the booster packs, they added about 22 weapons, 14 maps, and 22 vehicles to the base game. I bet if you added up the cost for all three, it would be similar to Premium.
Serious question: what's the difference in paying for DLC at the time of release versus pre-paying for it at launch?
Paying for Premium ahead of the launch of all its content is basically a vote of confidence. The riskiest moment to do this was probably at BF3's launch, when the service was untested and completely new.
However, we now have a good idea of how much content we'll get with Hardline premium. Paying ahead of time for this content really isn't that crazy.
The thing is the DLC maps haven't even been made yet, maps and balance in a game like Battlefield take a long time if you wanna get it right. DICE have been super open about development and we have been able to see first hand the work they have to put into making these maps. They've had to delay DLC releases more than once before because they're not able to make the maps in time of their previous release dates.
For $60 you get the single player game and 9 maps. That's a shitload of content, I know people who spent over 500 hours only on vanilla maps in BF4.
Also, when they say "story themed dlc maps" it's the same thing they've been doing forever, all they do is release a story themed trailer before the DLC comes out and that's it.
Like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRw2CELow4c
7DollarHagane
Banned
I'll buy this and get my money worth.
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
I don't like it, I don't mind paying 60 for a great game, playing for a while and then hearing that there's going to be some DLC(that better be good, I loved the Vietnam one).
Knowing that I need to spend 110 bucks to get the full experience before the game might be the "same thing" for some, but it isn't for me. Anyways, I don't and will never install Origin on my PC so at the end of the day they won't see my money.
Diablohead
Member
pretty much
tearsintherain
Member
I bought BF4 Premium and Titanfall deluxe (both on PC) at launch and no real regrets, 100+ hours into each game so $/hour well worth it.
Playing Hardline on PS4 though, I thought the recent beta was fun but I never touch BF4 or Titanfall anymore and I think Hardline will drop off even faster for me. I'll play SP campaign of Hardline, play a little MP, and trade it in. Then buy the Hardline Deluxe edition in the fall on PC for like $20 for everything, and have it always available in case I feel like playing cops and robbers.
Hardline's biggest problem is that there are too many options now. Last year there was old standbys like Titanfall/CSGO/BF3 and then a big gap. Now I've got a million games in the backlog, Destiny when I wanna do some PVP, and of course BF4/Titanfall. Hardline just doesn't stand out as much to say I will play a lot, forever.
Playing Hardline on PS4 though, I thought the recent beta was fun but I never touch BF4 or Titanfall anymore and I think Hardline will drop off even faster for me. I'll play SP campaign of Hardline, play a little MP, and trade it in. Then buy the Hardline Deluxe edition in the fall on PC for like $20 for everything, and have it always available in case I feel like playing cops and robbers.
Hardline's biggest problem is that there are too many options now. Last year there was old standbys like Titanfall/CSGO/BF3 and then a big gap. Now I've got a million games in the backlog, Destiny when I wanna do some PVP, and of course BF4/Titanfall. Hardline just doesn't stand out as much to say I will play a lot, forever.