The moon symbolizes a woman's menstrual cycle. I guess. What it means when it's red you can probably figure out.
Soul is like 17. @@
The moon symbolizes a woman's menstrual cycle. I guess. What it means when it's red you can probably figure out.
The door halfway down leads to the Abandoned Old Workshop, where you can get the Doll's outfit, one of the Umbilical Cords, and even a Small Hair Ornament, which you can give to the Doll as a gift. (A very touching moment, where she experiences joy)
From the top of the tower, I run across the wood planks to the other side, then drop off the left to the planks below. Then I believe I drop down to yet another one below that. Then I line myself up with the second column on the wall, opposite the end overlooking the doorway. I then run, and jump. If done right, you'll land right on the edge of the platform where the door is located, and survive.
I'm now intrigued to try to reach the beast at the bottom, however.
Haven't beat the game yet, 6 bosses dead.
Can somebody tell me what is going on, why I'm there and what I'm supposed to do?
I have no idea.
I just look around and go to where ever u I can progress.
In Dark Souls, after an hour I knew I had to ring to bells, 1 up and 1 down below.
But here?
Soul is like 17. @@
H-how do even you know my age ;_;
And yes I get that now that he points it out, but oh. I assumed idk, majoras mask stuff :V
The door halfway down leads to the Abandoned Old Workshop.
Because you said it in ffxiv chat I think.
On a side note, I look forward to all of the fan art, which will surely include adorable depictions of Rom the Vacuous Spider.
Here's a video showing the route.You're talking about the place that if you go up from leads you to the talisman to get lidwigs sword right? If so when I got to the bottom I just got nabbed by a bag man.
I think in the game world the hunters dream is a physical place and dream isn't a literal dream but a figurative dream. I also think that the dream on its pedestal sits above the Nightmare. And the nightmare is Yarnham in the future.I've been thinking about the Dream and what it means a lot lately: When either Djura or Eileen kill you, they ask you, "Do you still dream, hunter?"
Do you still dream?
Indicating that all hunters have the dream, but some stop? I assume this must be what they mean since Eileen goes on to elaborate by taunting you as you die saying, "Say hello to the little doll for me."
Does that mean Eileen and Djura turned away from the dream for some reason?
At first I assumed, when I'd only heard Djura say this, that those that no longer dream have become beasts. I guess this could be true, since it's something they ask of hunters that have attacked them, especially in Eileen's case.
Something about that question still gnaws at me for some reason though: "Do you still dream, hunter?"
Also, because people keep talking about interpretations of this: I don't think everything in the game is a dream, just the Hunter's Dream and maybe Nightmare lands like Nightmare Frontier, ect. I tend to think the Nightmare Frontier is just an alien realm and the appellation Nightmare is just euphemism since the place is barking mad from a human perspective.
Something I've thought about is, if Yharnam is "real" and the Dream is in your character's head, then what is "actually happening" when you stop at a lamp and then "wake up" at another is something more like a fugue state or maybe somnambulism. Your character loses time while in the Dream while your body physically makes the journey to its destination without you. (Maybe that's why the loading screens take so long! Waka waka waka...) Something akin to what fast travel is like in games like Elder Scrolls, but literally a thing that is happening in the game world. You reach the lamp, your character blacks out, experiences the Dream and wakes up somewhere else. He must've walked. Must've. People can't teleport through dreams...can they?
Yeah there were some crazy people in houses and a bag man at the bottom I didn't get much further because I got bagged.
I think the Abandoned Old Workshop exists in the "real" world (well, as "real" as Yharnam can be), and that the Hunter's Dream is a memory of it. The Abandoned Old Workshop appears to be in an actual physical place, with a fully modeled landscape showing the cathedrals rising up all around it. It's not suspended in the middle of a void like the Hunter's Dream.Any theories as to why the AOW is found where it is, in the world design? Seems so conspicuous to be in the middle of that tower that's above Old Yharnam and below the Healing Church Workshop + Upper Cathedral Ward. Dark Souls world design always struck me how the placement of Ash Lake at the bottom and Anor Londo at the top told you so much about the lore and world history.
The tower leading up is still intact and easily traversable but it's been destroyed for anyone trying to go down or come up from the bottom. I imagine that's at least partially related to the quarantine used to suppress the "beast scourge" in Old Yharnam, from Charred Hunter Set found in OY:
"One of the staple articles of hunter attire, fashioned at the workshop.
A product of the scourge of the beast that once plagued Old Yharnam and culminated in the town's fiery cleansing.
Designed to be highly resistant to fire. Wearers of this attire hunted down victims of the scourge who survived the raging flames and stench of singed blood"
What? The moon becomes "redish" when there's a lunar eclipse..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_eclipse
Many cultures see it either as good or bad omen.. For some, it has some other kind of prophetic meaning..
Yeah, I don't think the Hunter's Dream is a literal dream, i.e. something you experience while sleeping. I think it's some higher plane of existence to which the hunters are privy. They're like mystical warriors who can tap into this other realm created by... something... and for some purpose. They then can channel the accumulated life force of their fallen foes -- the blood echoes -- by using the doll as a medium to grow stronger. So when the hunter uses the lamp, I think they are physically disappearing into that space known as the Hunter's Dream.I think in the game world the hunters dream is a physical place and dream isn't a literal dream but a figurative dream. I also think that the dream on its pedestal sits above the Nightmare. And the nightmare is Yarnham in the future.
What? The moon becomes "redish" when there's a lunar eclipse..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_eclipse
Many cultures see it either as good or bad omen.. For some, it has some other kind of prophetic meaning..
True, but in a game that deals heavily with themes of pregnancy a red moon can be considered as a metaphor for menstruation. Especially because the moon is and has been linked with femininity in many cultures around the world.
Has anyone found out why Gerhman dies early in the game? I'm pretty sure that's what happen's, he goes outside and initially appears to be sleeping, but is infact dead and then later the doll will head over towards the non intractable grave. Then Gerhman can't be seen till the end.
I just wrote a Reddit post about my thoughts around this. Are there any obvious errors I have made?
http://www.reddit.com/r/bloodborne/comments/30uog4/lore_symbolism_and_the_moon_in_bloodborne_open/
TLDR; The Moon symbolizes the menstural cycle.
Yeah, I don't think the Hunter's Dream is a literal dream, i.e. something you experience while sleeping. I think it's some higher plane of existence to which the hunters are privy. They're like mystical warriors who can tap into this other realm created by... something... and for some purpose. They then can channel the accumulated life force of their fallen foes -- the blood echoes -- by using the doll as a medium to grow stronger. So when the hunter uses the lamp, I think they are physically disappearing into that space known as the Hunter's Dream.
I don't have the game sadly, but from what i gathered in this thread about the lore i'd say your conclusion for the symbolisms of the moon within the game makes sense.
the only obvious error i could find is
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So my current other questions-
This queen is bleeding from the stomach, and she was pregnant or something. And Mergo is here, is mergo her kid? Who is mergo? Who is the wet nurse? And whats the queens role in all of this?
Just my random questions of the moment.
I just wrote a Reddit post about my thoughts around this. Are there any obvious errors I have made?
http://www.reddit.com/r/bloodborne/comments/30uog4/lore_symbolism_and_the_moon_in_bloodborne_open/
I've asked this a ton of times but I think it disappeared into the pages of OT.
what exactly is bloodborne? is it the name of the disease that has plagued your hometown and even worse so in the town of yarnham? and if so, is it based on the actual blood borne disease in real life?
Has anyone found out why Gerhman dies early in the game? I'm pretty sure that's what happen's, he goes outside and initially appears to be sleeping, but is infact dead and then later the doll will head over towards the non intractable grave. Then Gerhman can't be seen till the end.
I tend to think the Nightmare Frontier is just an alien realm and the appellation Nightmare is just euphemism since the place is barking mad from a human perspective.
I don't think N Frontier is related to aliens, I think it's more about an intense, personal psychological experience.
Yeah that seems pretty clear since the messengers rise up from a portal around the lamp. I mean if there's an entire village that exists in a pocket dimension or something than this hunters dream can exist as a real place to. I also feel the towers that we see or a visual representation to remind the player that there are other hunters on the hunt going to other similar worlds. I just don't understand why they are all far above your's.
About the werewolf in the intro while you are laying on that table: he tries to touch you but suddenly he starts bursting into flames. Why does that happen? Are you being protected by the old blood that is running through your veins now? Maybe is Gerhman's way of protecting you so you can continue your mission and relieve him from his burden?
I think it should be mentioned that both Eileen and Djura suggest that neither of them dream any longer. Djura suggests that he no longer dreams due to being disillusioned as a hunter by the plight of the beasts. Meanwhile Eileen is a Hunter contracted specifically to handle those hunters who have gone too far in their bloodlust. Trying my damnedest to piece together what the hunters as an organization as a whole is.
Was just watching my friend play some and we noted that there is a vial of Iosefka's Blood in a chest at the top of Mergo's Loft, right before fighting the wet nurse. What does it mean!?
I found one at Iosefka's, but couldnt take it because i already had the one at Mergo's. Weird
I've been thinking about the Dream and what it means a lot lately: When either Djura or Eileen kill you, they ask you, "Do you still dream, hunter?"
Do you still dream?
Indicating that all hunters have the dream, but some stop? I assume this must be what they mean since Eileen goes on to elaborate by taunting you as you die saying, "Say hello to the little doll for me."
Does that mean Eileen and Djura turned away from the dream for some reason?
At first I assumed, when I'd only heard Djura say this, that those that no longer dream have become beasts. I guess this could be true, since it's something they ask of hunters that have attacked them, especially in Eileen's case.
Something about that question still gnaws at me for some reason though: "Do you still dream, hunter?"
Also, because people keep talking about interpretations of this: I don't think everything in the game is a dream, just the Hunter's Dream and maybe Nightmare lands like Nightmare Frontier, ect. I tend to think the Nightmare Frontier is just an alien realm and the appellation Nightmare is just euphemism since the place is barking mad from a human perspective.
Something I've thought about is, if Yharnam is "real" and the Dream is in your character's head, then what is "actually happening" when you stop at a lamp and then "wake up" at another is something more like a fugue state or maybe somnambulism. Your character loses time while in the Dream while your body physically makes the journey to its destination without you. (Maybe that's why the loading screens take so long! Waka waka waka...) Something akin to what fast travel is like in games like Elder Scrolls, but literally a thing that is happening in the game world. You reach the lamp, your character blacks out, experiences the Dream and wakes up somewhere else. He must've walked. Must've. People can't teleport through dreams...can they?
Here's a close shot of Yharnam. You can see clearly the black eyes.
Would not waifu.
Chalice Dungeons are the tunnels that the researchers at Byrgenwerth studied right?
Would not waifu.
Chalice Dungeons are the tunnels that the researchers at Byrgenwerth studied right?
Are these people alive? Dead? The fact that you can return from the dead (something *always* explained in the universe of each Souls game) lends cadence to it being a realm you are a guest within, something that feels real but is merely a crude imitation
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Wait
Chalice dungeons have a plot point?
My theory on the creatures and protagonists' miraculous return to life is because of the blood itself. It sustains us, keeps us animate long after the rigors of the hunt should've put us down. It makes even deathblows only a temporary inconvenience.
Supporting my theory are the crows. Those pitiable creatures crawl across the ground, I believe, because their spines are broken. But the blood keeps them alive and animate all the same. S'what the little bastards get for being carrion feeders and eating off the Yharnam dead.
Tons of item descriptions from Yharnam point to the tombs of the Chalice dungeons as being places where the secrets of the Great Ones lie.
If you by into its all a dream from the start then this is kinda conceptually the movie Flatliners.
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Wait
Chalice dungeons have a plot point?
I love that take! So then warping back to the lantern after death is your mind, caught up in the spirit of the hunt, editing out the part where you waited to revive. You are quite literally blacking out.
Do your little minions carry you back? That would explain their presence around the lantern, and would certainly fit with how eager they are to help you.
My only issue with that is how do the bosses stay dead?
is that what bloodborne is in the game? a bloodborne disease, the one you're trying to find a cure for your hometown?A bloodborne disease is a disease spread through blood.
I don't believe the blood permeates an endless cycle of rebirth. At least, not for every and anything.
Eileen and Djura both suggest that the cycle of rebirth is intrinsically connected to the Hunter's Dream and that is something specific to hunters.