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Sony PlayStation Home Console Shipments reach 370 million worldwide (Data inside)
- Thread starter ZhugeEX
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Amazon just has it as Dec 31th 2015
Sony became the perfect 'alternative'. Sega was there before and they did a decent job at taking away Nintendo's marketshare with the Genesis in the US, but they fucked up way too much to be called someone who could steal away Nintendo's 'fallback' status.
For a long time Nintendo was just the person you dealt with because they were the only ones around in the scene, and that gave them a really big head in regards to literally everything. The PS1 came along, it was inviting to third parties, it was inviting to start em ups, they were working on their own franchises.
It became a perfect storm, and Nintendo to this day has still not figured out what Sony had known at the time. Of course in time, Sony also got a bit of a big head the same way Nintendo did, and that was the reason for 360 blowing up. It became the better alternative.
Of course Sony was able to course correct and they probably regained a quite a decent amount of followers, but it should stay a good lesson
SolidSnakex
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I think a lot of what Sony did right and what Nintendo did wrong happened long before Sony even entered the console world. Nintendo's reputation with developers was well known, so Sony coming along and being very open and friendly with developers was a breath of a fresh air for them. That helped them get the developer support they needed. From a sales perspective they sorta picked up the ball where Sega left off in terms of positioning the PSone as being cool. Except Sony was coming from a different world than Sega was when they did that. They had mainstream marketing knowledge which helped them start to drive gaming into a different demographic than anyone had before. The best selling console before the PSone was the NES at 61m. The PSone sold 102m+.
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That's a placeholder. square already said KH III will be after FF XV, and FFXV hasn't even had a date announced, but rumors say 2016.
Uuuuuh Bloodborne
TMaakkonen
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Wait, 155 for PS2 is actually confirmed? Oh wow, and I thought that number was uncertain because of totaling with PS3 but it was before that.
This either means PS3 is closer to 88-90 or PS2 is on 156-158.
This either means PS3 is closer to 88-90 or PS2 is on 156-158.
Good point, but it's still surprising considering Nintendo was in the console market years ahead of Sony.
Psycho_Mantis
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when?
That's the most generic placeholder date I've ever seen.
Very impressive numbers for Sony, especially since they will extend their lead during the lifecycle of PS4.
Tidus_Great
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All is right in the world
PS consoles are Kings
and ps2 sits atop the throne as it was the best console of the best consoles.
PS consoles are Kings
and ps2 sits atop the throne as it was the best console of the best consoles.
Furfuryl Furforate
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You'd think that but that hasn't haltered the sales of the console so far.
It'd actually be interesting just how much Sony would have to fuck up to harm the sales in any way. They certainly haven't tried much selling it and they probably don't see a need to at the rate it sells itself.
SolidSnakex
Member
It's selling because of how well Sony has positioned it. In part because of the games they've picked to co-market. You can say what you want about Destiny, but that turned out to be a very good pick for Sony. Later this month they'll be advertising Mortal Kombat X. And then in June they have this
And they're rumored to have co-marketing for Battlefront. This year already from a first party standpoint they've released Bloodborne, The Order, MLB The Show, Super Stardust Ultra and Helldivers. The whole idea that they've been coasting and not really doing anything doesn't add up.
primasaurus
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To complete the picture
Handhelds
Nintendo about 405 million
Sony about 87 million
Total sales (all consoles = home + handheld)
Xbox Console Shipments = 122.8 million
Nintendo Console Shipments = 681 million
Sony Console Shipments = 457 million
Handhelds
Nintendo about 405 million
Sony about 87 million
Total sales (all consoles = home + handheld)
Xbox Console Shipments = 122.8 million
Nintendo Console Shipments = 681 million
Sony Console Shipments = 457 million
Furfuryl Furforate
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It's selling because of how well Sony has positioned it. In part because of the games they've picked to co-market. You can say what you want about Destiny, but that turned out to be a very good pick for Sony. Later this month they'll be advertising Mortal Kombat X. And then in June they have this
And they're rumored to have co-marketing for Battlefront. This year already from a first party standpoint they've released Bloodborne, The Order, MLB The Show, Super Stardust Ultra and Helldivers. The whole idea that they've been coasting and not really doing anything doesn't add up.
Okay let's specify it. Microsoft did the same. For every deal Sony had MS had one as well, MS has Witcher in may for instance.
All the while they are heavily bundling and discounting the XBO.
Comparatively Sony has been coasting.
Also Destiny sold more on Xbox in the US despite the heavy marketing and higher LTD sales for some reason.
The Order was a critical failure and I don't care enough about it to check the commercial performance.
Bloodborne seems to be awesome and will probably do great sales.
Helldivers sold pretty great last I heard, bought it myself on Vita and I really can't speak for MLB since I play neither sports games nor do I even know the rules to baseball.
MS seems to care mostly for holiday sales seeing as their only releases lately were Ori and Screamride with the latter launching simultaneously on PC.
Battlefront would be huge considering FPS are usually MS' domain for marketing.
TMaakkonen
Member
Since you insist the whole picture, just make Sony's handheld sales more accurate as well. Its closer to 90 million at this point.
Sooo
Total sales (all consoles = home + handheld)
Xbox Console Shipments = 122.8 million
Nintendo Console Shipments = 681 million
Sony Console Shipments = 460 million
Consoles are usually what are referred to home units. Let's not turn it into a terms fight
primasaurus
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primasaurus
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Sorry didnt see it
Suggestion, maybe also put up lifetime profits to really get the big picture
Does anyone else have a huge boner from Sony's performance? Jesus Christ, they came late to the game and absolutely DOMINATED. These guys might've fucked up during the PS3 era but they get my full respect for their overall massive achievements.
Console gaming wouldn't have been even half as good as it is now without Sony.
Console gaming wouldn't have been even half as good as it is now without Sony.
TMaakkonen
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The real huge boner is underestimation of PS3.
Yeah it was huge money waste but when we compare pure sales?
With 86-89 million sales that still makes PS3 in top 10 best selling systems of all time AND top 5 best selling consoles.
Yet that is bad?
^ Its very bad relative to previous dominance, yes.
On top of that, Sony got all the third party franchises they were associated with taken away from them. DMC, Tekken, Final Fantasy, Street Fighter(kinda), Tomb Raider and the list goes on
This is a home consoles number thread, it says it in the title.
On top of that, Sony got all the third party franchises they were associated with taken away from them. DMC, Tekken, Final Fantasy, Street Fighter(kinda), Tomb Raider and the list goes on
You just did, the irony
This is a home consoles number thread, it says it in the title.
No worries.
I'll try the above if I get time but at the moment I have incomplete data and so probably won't have time to do this anytime soon for Revenue/Profit.
In the meantime I suggest visiting this excellently put together thread by captain smoker which shows Nintendo profits - http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=740455
And there is this image below which shows cumulative operating income since 98. It's incomplete as you can see.
TMaakkonen
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That just feels like an another excuse ala PS4 has no games.
PS3 still sold great, its mistakes and other losses are technically a different matter. Yet we still need to hamper that.
I get it, profits are important thing to look at but so many different people have different views on matter, and declare stuff so much differently because of this.
Maybe we should hammer N64 much more since that thing lost 3rd party franchises as well. Maybe we should call SNES a meh system since that thing also lost 3rd party games and sales. Maybe we should call Xbox360 meh system as well since it lost money with RRoD depate and it got weak exclusives at the end of its cycles. Maybe we should laugh at Wii since a lot of its sales are shovelware. Maybe PS2 should not be looked at fondly because technically it lost a lot of games thanks to HD ports. Maybe Vita should be declared better than PS3 since it made better profit than PS3 because it hasnt lost as much money.
Excuses are bull***.
Unknown One
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Losing exclusives does not mean losing games. The games will still be on the system. Whatever argument people use to downplay the results I guess.
The market was a lot smaller before Sony came in. And Nintendo dominated that market. When Sony came in we saw gaming move more mainstream and Sony took advantage with consumer friendly price, games and marketing in order to become the dominant console for the generation.
That's the short version at least haha.
Nope. PSP is around 80 million and Vita is around 10 million, not exact numbers. (PSP at last count is 76.2m)
What you say is correct. Personally I think PS3 will be closer to 88m. Certainly above 87m.
Looking back at the PS3 it really was a console that was released too early due to competition from MS and Nintendo. They were trying to do too much rather than focus on just the simple things and that's why the price and later the mind share held it back from seeing the overwhelming success that the previous consoles had. Still to match Xbox 360 sales with one year less on the market is very good, especially when 360 dominated the worlds largest gaming market (USA).
But financially it put a strain on Sony and so this is why the PS4 was made as it is.
Maintenance
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What a shame this one is incomplete, thanks for the partial one though.
Doctor_Thomas
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While waiting on Halo, Forza and Tomb Raider, there's already The Order, Bloodborne and MLB. Different things for different people but, if you have a PS4, these games are out now. They're not "in the future". The very definition of coasting is moving without any propelling power. What are Microsoft doing that is stopping them from coasting?
Microsoft are just "getting by" until the holiday season. They're doing the exact definition of coasting, no propelling power, then go nuts in November.
BlackLagoon
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I kinda feel that someone should try to dig up some figures for Sony's MSX models during the 80s and include them. I guess they blur the line a bit between computer and console, but they did hook up to the TV and support console style cartridges. And it's not like you couldn't hook up a keyboard and install Linux on the PS2 and PS3.
The market itself was way smaller back then.
To be fair, those third party franchises (maybe except for final fantasy) would have been multiplatform regardless of the PS3's initial sales in order to maximize profits.
For those who prefer a more visual look-
Assuming you are using the same fiscal years as the op then your 2014 is currently about 2.5 to 3.0m too high at 17m. Its 15.1m so far for FY 2104.
You have the same username as an Xbox fanboy on that banned site, so I'll assume you're the same person.
Read the OP in full next time before trying to point out a mistake. I don't have time for people like you.
primasaurus
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Maybe your feelings
This way it's more scientific and contextual
Why hide the bigger picture unless you have an agenda?
ZhugeEX has been great with the info btw
Quite rude. so you too frequent that site.
Apologies, I see you included forecasts
By the way the data you were asking for...
Fiscal Year PS1
1995 4.30
1996 9.20
1997 19.37
1998 21.60
1999 18.50
2000 9.31
2001 7.40
2002 6.78
2003 3.31
2004 2.77
Dont mention it.
I only go there for the Japanese COMG pre order charts.
Sorry if I come across as rude but based on some of the posts I've seen you make on there.... well lets just say you always point out mistakes to do with Sony...
That data is already in my original post by the way.
Like I said, don't mention it.
Maybe your feelings
This way it's more scientific and contextual
Why hide the bigger picture unless you have an agenda?
ZhugeEX has been great with the info btw
ZhugeEX is an open PS fan. But when it come to numbers, he's always honest. This thread purpose, as you can see from the tile is to highlight whole Playstation family LTD. He's not even posting that comparison in the OP, it's a something that brought up when somebody asked for it. If he had any agenda, why would he be the first one to post the bigger picture of comparison in first page?
Unless we talk about Musou sales and I try to convince myself and everyone else that the games are selling well but secretly I know that Musou has been on a decline for a number of years now....
*Sulks in corner*
(Besides I don't think Primasaurus was talking about me in that post)
Psycho_Mantis
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While I somewhat agree with you, many of those games still sell lots of Playstation systems. The reason is because the fanbase has always been there. For instance FF, MGS, KH will all be tremendously skewed towards PS4 and inevitably those millions of fans will buy PS4's for those titles. I also believe MP development is beneficial in certain cases.
And the years they dominated were also the best years of gaming we ever had, in my opinion. Too bad things changed fast with gen 7.. well, nevertheless, congrats to them!
Agreed. Sony absolutely dominated the 6th and 7th gen and are set to dominate this one. It was amazing that the PS3 managed to slightly surpass the 360 in sales, especially with the initial bad word of mouth, but Sony did it. I'll just openly admit it: I have never and will probably never own a console that isn't called Playstation because I grew up with the brand.
primasaurus
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PS4 is indeed set to dominate this generation.
I think you're aware of my estimate of more than 150 million consoles sold by end of 2019 with PS4 accounting for somewhere around 60% market share. (But that's just my estimate).
I too have only owned PlayStation consoles from PS1 through to PS4. Got a Wii U last year though and played Super Mario 3D World which was my first Mario game ever. Absolutely love it and now have played through the other Mario games including Super Mario Bro's & Mario Kart + other titles such as Wind Waker HD and Hyrule Warriors, Donkey Kong and am planning to get the Super Mario Galaxy games soon.
Combichristoffersen
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Goodness! I don't care much for Mario or Nintendo in general, but you need to play Super Mario Bros. 3 like yesterday.
Yep, saw your estimation a few times. 60-70% would mean the PS4 will be somewhere around 100 million, right? Sounds reasonable. I'm predicting ~120 million at the end of its life myself (which is around 2023). Anyway, I've never owned Nintendo consoles but I do have two GameBoy SP's and a Nintendo DS Lite.