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Official 2009 NBA Playoff Thread of Shaq forces trade to the Cavs, keeps streak alive
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teruterubozu
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Cloudy said:
That double-team strategy just killed them though and they kept doing it in the 4th. Even JVG was ripping the strategy. Pau was just freelancin'.
The Chosen One
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teruterubozu said:
Because his teams win. That's more than a lot of coaches can say.
George Karl is similar to Flip Saunders though. They're great at taking teams up to a certain level, but can never get over the hump. But you have to cut Karl some slack. Aside from the choke job the Sonics had against the Nuggets in '94, I don't think his teams have ever really underperformed. The Sonics lost to the Bulls in the Finals just like all the other teams did in the '90s. The Bucks never had much talent outside of Ray. And the Nuggets were always the lower seed with their first round exits and were in a tough conference.
I think more often than not, George Karl does well with what he's got.
teruterubozu said:
The bigger criticism of Karl should be that they had no backup plan. It's like they just expected the Lakers supporting cast to fold on the road. Not a bad gamble but there should be a plan B lol
Ray Allen, Sam Cassell, Glenn Robinson and Tim Thomas were at or around their primes on that team. They SHOULD have beat the Sixers in 2001
- 2-1 lead and lost gm 4 at home
- Lost gm 5 by a point and AI only had 15
AI had a legendary gm 7 but the Sixers had no business winning that series IMO...
teruterubozu
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The Chosen One said:
Oh definitely. He's better than Flip, but players tune him out when shit gets bad, then he overstays his welcome long after the players are deaf to him.
edit: Oh and let's not forget the '95 choke job when Van Exel lit up the Sonics in the 1st round.
I've finally figured out what I've been trying to say about the Cavs offense.
We lack that second player who can demand a double team. Look at the Final Four: LA ha Kobe/Pau, Denver has Chauncey/Carmelo/Earl, Orlando has Dwight/Hedo, while Cleveland only has Lebron.
We lack that second player who can demand a double team. Look at the Final Four: LA ha Kobe/Pau, Denver has Chauncey/Carmelo/Earl, Orlando has Dwight/Hedo, while Cleveland only has Lebron.
I'm lazy. How much?Karakand said:
teruterubozu
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bionic77 said:
But they were just fine with one-on-one D earlier in the series, then they switch to double-teaming and open up all kinds of shit for the pass-happy Lakers. It's like Birdman and the front line completely disappeared. I still think it was a really odd strategy in an elimination game.
Orlando also has Lewis, so really they have several guys you can't leave open, and 3 guys you want to double when they have the ball. The Cavs have misspent their money, though. I mean they've given out a huge contract to Z, overpaid for Larry Hughes, have Ben Wallace's contract, and they still have to pay Lebron. I know people have already said "if Mo plays better he can be that second double team guy," but when you're saying that about your team, you need to pick up that second double team guy in free agency or the draft or something.K.Jack said:
Can't believe I missed this, but from the Charlotte Observer's Rick Bonnell:
http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2009/05/a-currylawson-bakeoff.html
Of course, I disagree with his assessment of the two, but I'm biased. Though I don't see how you can flat out say Curry is a "dramatically superior" basketball player.
http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2009/05/a-currylawson-bakeoff.html
Of course, I disagree with his assessment of the two, but I'm biased. Though I don't see how you can flat out say Curry is a "dramatically superior" basketball player.
Ninja Scooter
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Karakand said:
in a perfect world we could trade him to GState and get Ronny back. His kind of hustle and energy is what this team was missing (Powell is no Ronny!). Luke would be perfect for Nellieball.
Rick Bonnell is a moron, don't bother posting his tripe here.
Curry is a far superior college player but that doesn't mean he's got a position to play in the pros. Although, to his credit he measured taller at the combine than I anticipated. Still, it takes a special athlete to do things at 6'3 in the NBA (DWade) and Curry definitely isn't that type of athlete. He's deadly from the outside though and that shouldn't change in the NBA.
Curry is a far superior college player but that doesn't mean he's got a position to play in the pros. Although, to his credit he measured taller at the combine than I anticipated. Still, it takes a special athlete to do things at 6'3 in the NBA (DWade) and Curry definitely isn't that type of athlete. He's deadly from the outside though and that shouldn't change in the NBA.
Future PhaZe
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Kak.efes said:
Yeah I know...fuck I hope I'm wrong
.Cerrius said:
Reach comes into play when you don't have the height and explosiveness to get rebounds. If you posses the timing, reach and wingspan, you can be shorter but still excel off the glass. The thing is, Blake has the power, the explosiveness, the athletic ability, the soft hands, the large hands and the timing. Does he have a 7 foot 2 wingspan? No, but I guarantee his vertical is better then Beasley's 35 inch's. He is also far more athletic, and powerful. Think about it, the guy is 6 foot 10, 250 pounds coming out of college as a Sophmore. Think about how big he will be in 3 years, with NBA level weight training and guidance. He could end up being 6 foot 10, 270 pounds of pure muscle. Combine that with his toughness and athletic ability. He could easily pull down 10 boards a year.
DeathbyVolcano
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ph33nix said:
Mo had a great game in Game 6, maybe he'll still play well tonight *shrugs*
ryutaro's mama
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BrandNew said:
BrandNewstradamus?
DeathbyVolcano
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ryutaro's mama said:
It is written.
Ninja Scooter
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now all he needs is a brain transplant and he'll be all set and ready to go!
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
He might as well fix that weird lazy eye thing he has going on, also remove the barbwire tattoo, the fashion boat for that one sailed a long time ago.
Ninja Scooter
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Raging Spaniard said:
do you think TMac and Ron Artest's first meeting in training camp went something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxxeVe_ZlMA
Jamesfrom818
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In Vegas baby. Lakers won me a shitload of money and I'm feeling it on the tables
LiveFromKyoto
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reilo said:
At this point, do we care? He's at the Carmen Elektra in Disaster Movie stage of his career. He's old, used and busted and even though he's had all this surgery to try and stay relevant his time has passed.
Ninja Scooter
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Jamesfrom818 said:
go to the Mirage and check out the Lakers Store. They have a display with all the championship rings and you might even get to see Michael Cooper pushing a baby stroller like i did.
Jamesfrom818
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Doomsayer said:
I especially liked that 2 pts from Bynum.
Rodeo Clown
All aboard! The Love train!
And just think how ineffective Bynum would be against Dwight Howard.
LiveFromKyoto
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Rodeo Clown said:
Only 3 fouls, so still more effective than Oden.
Rodeo Clown
All aboard! The Love train!
So was Erick Dampier. It aint that hard.LiveFromKyoto said:
strikeselect
You like me, you really really like me!
http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=909131&st=0&sk=t&sd=a
Clipper fans debating Griffin's measurements. Some say he's really a SF.
Clipper fans debating Griffin's measurements. Some say he's really a SF.
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
Rubio just spoke with a Spanish newspaper, so finally we have some clarification.
Actual translations:
"We have to see what the best option for me is. Memphis has the 2nd pick, but that doesnt necessarily mean anything"
The number of the pick is important because it gives you a better status, but you also have to consider if the team that picks you has a good plan and what players are part of the team.
There are possibilities to continue in Joventut. Depends where I get picked and the final negotiation, but specially about my contract buyout that my agent is negotiating with the club.
If I cant find a promising project in the NBA then I wont go. If I go is because there will be a good future for me there.
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So what you can take from this is:
-He will NOT pull from the draft, he explicitly said that it depends where he gets picked.
-He just needs to be convinced that the team that drafts him has a winning plan, he doesnt wanna go to a team that isnt ambitious or doesnt have a good foundation.
-Memphis is not ruled out.
Actual translations:
"We have to see what the best option for me is. Memphis has the 2nd pick, but that doesnt necessarily mean anything"
The number of the pick is important because it gives you a better status, but you also have to consider if the team that picks you has a good plan and what players are part of the team.
There are possibilities to continue in Joventut. Depends where I get picked and the final negotiation, but specially about my contract buyout that my agent is negotiating with the club.
If I cant find a promising project in the NBA then I wont go. If I go is because there will be a good future for me there.
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So what you can take from this is:
-He will NOT pull from the draft, he explicitly said that it depends where he gets picked.
-He just needs to be convinced that the team that drafts him has a winning plan, he doesnt wanna go to a team that isnt ambitious or doesnt have a good foundation.
-Memphis is not ruled out.
LiveFromKyoto
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ph33nix said:
At some point you have to say they have nobody to blame but themselves.
New puppet ad.
"Kobe have you ever eaten an enpanada?" :lol
"Kobe have you ever eaten an enpanada?" :lol
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