LowParry
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False. And this can either lead to a good thing or bad. If the dialog is to by anything with the demo, I think the writing will be fine.
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Stella has been removed from FFXV; Itamuro writing game; Demo 2 June 9; FFXV not @ E3
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False. And this can either lead to a good thing or bad. If the dialog is to by anything with the demo, I think the writing will be fine.
At the end of the day does it truly matter? Her role is intact, her character is intact and her place as the heroin is intact. Luna is a new character that has more depth than Stella and is there to increase the stories depth.
Remember that Stella was supposed to act as a proxy for Noctis, that didn't change, Noctis and Stella going 1v1 just became Noctis v Luna going 1v1. Stella as a character was too vauge to begin with, she as a character lacked any motivation or was probably not as fleshed out as most of the other main cast.
Tabata wants to make the game into the best game that it can be, and he probably found that Stella's character was as bland as lightning and decided that they needed a heroin that fits the world of XV and its characters along with its dynamics.
The overall mood or feel the game is going for, this new character is not written by Nojima san, but uses the base, role, and image that he created to make a new heroin that has the depth that Stella doesn't. You could make the argument that renaming her was not necessary but then I would like to remind you that Luna is based off of Stella, Nojima wrote Stella, not Luna.
Luna is not the character that Nojima made, Stella is. Luna is a new heroin that is their to take her place and she has clearer motivations then Stella and is (most) probably a better and more realized character than Stella ever was.
Why change the name? because the character is different, and that character is assuming the same image and role that Stella once assumed.
Luna and Stella are different, one is a concept on a draft while the other is a fully realized character, I don't know about you bu the later peeks my interests the most.
Also the writer for Dissidia is amazing, the way he/she handles character dynamics is refreshing and greatly entertaining to say the least.
The game is coming, the Dev team want to prioritise execution and quality over anything else, lets just sit back and see what happens.
*Munch* Popcorn *Munch*
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Stereogatari
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Hahahahaha.
SavoyPrime
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I'm starting to feel that Tabata taking over was a bad idea. At first, I just wanted Versus to release. But now, with every bit of news on FFXV the past few months, I find my interest spiraling downward.
Still sometime late 2016.
LowParry
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So you wanted vaporware instead?
The Last One
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I hope someone revives this thread if the game ends up being good. The hyperbole here is insane.
Yeah. We should do that.
Remember the reactions from that thread when someone mistranslated Tabata saying the game was a "press X to win"¿ A lot of the "fans" and "experts" who complained there then loved Episode Duscae.
threelights
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Yeah, I found the dialogue in the demo to be quite entertaining myself (the little bits of conversation they have are usually well done too). I'm not sure I understand when people had complaints with the writing in the demo (even if the translation is pretty bad for changing stuff so drastically).
Although we didn't really have any stuff from the main story happening to judge.
Versus is not coming. That game got cancelled. Instead we're getting FFXV. They are not the same game, and FFXV is not really a "worse" option than Versus, it's just different, it's another game, much like FFXVI will be after it.
So far FFXV has been a sort of a blank slate in terms of characters, story and world. So we should wait to see if that one will be interesting or not.
I think the hype for Versus should just die now, so we can focus on a new game.
From what I gather people in this thread are not upset about the change, but they are mostly upset about Tabata lying for so long (a thing that people were condemning me for saying sometime ago lol).
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Make up your own mind whether or not this is a good or a bad thing.
I don't understand why they felt like removing Nojima from the game.
I get that Nomura and the gameplay guys have been changed ,but why change Nojima ? The script was already done & ready.
I think they wanted to change the game drastically apart from some bits of concept art and some character designs here and there.
Why didn't they just design everything from scratch then ?
birthbysleep
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This is not true at all. They took the very basic elements from Versus and are using it for XV. Main characters, modern setting, crystals, road trip, etc. But they're changing the details, Tabata said this is for the benefit of the game, but we haven't been given specific examples as to why. This is what is frustrating.
The original promised Versus seems to be disappearing with each update. Those of us who have been holding on to this game since 2006, well, things like last nights ATR just doesn't sit well.
Icyflamez96
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Welp
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Now thats funny lol
The script wasn't ready. They continually said that a draft was ready.
It wasn't that they got rid of Nojima. His work was more or less done and the draft had to be changed.
AwakenedCloud
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Why would they? They need to focus on marketing what their new game, not what the old game was. It doesn't make sense for them to dwell on the past, especially since the majority of gamers following the game since it's Versus XIII trailer only saw 2 trailers and glossed over the finer nuances people are taking issue with here.
Story aside, the main gameplay hook, the entire basis of the battle system, is that the main character is an OP wanker who can warp all over the place and more importantly swap weapons on the fly, which sets up a lot of interesting combo possibilities. (Obviously character action games have been doing weapon swapping combos since forever, but it's new for the franchise) THAT hasn't changed since the Nomura days.
This was prevalent in the gameplay of both the versus XIII snippets as well as the E3 2013 target render, where the bottom left part of the UI clearly conveyed the idea of weapons cycling through a string of attacks.
In may fundamental ways, Nomura's underlying vision hasn't changed, probably moreso than the parts of his vision that were adapted. So much so that calling it unrelated would probably have been an even bigger disservice.
Truth.
I mean, he said that it goes into spoiler territory. Why would he mention that? I don't know why he would need to provide examples when we only saw the party scene from Versus XIII in terms of plot.
You really think they would make changes to a compelling concept if they didn't think it was worth it? Especially when they've said they wanted to keep it as close to the original as they could?
Saori Itamuro was a co-writer for the scenario in Dissidia 012. Though scenario designer doesn't seem like writer to me.
Dark_castle
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She is one of the RPG Planner for original Dissidia, but is the scenario writer and also RPG Planner for Dissidia 012.
Of course not
So why didn't they have Nojima continue his work or at least have him as co-writer?
I am not necessarily objecting to that btw.I just think they totally have something else in mind and that's why there's a different writer on board.
Not that we would ever know the difference.
Yeah. I was cool with it, especially compared to a lot of jrpg's(including XIII). I don't think it's realistic to expect the highest level of writing from them coming off recent years.
Cloud Strife
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DarkLordMalik
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What if it was Nojima's own decision? Remember how they shared a statement from him in the ATR. It doesn't sound like he was forced to leave, rather he left for other projects after working on this one for the past 9 years or so.
A lot of people can just get tired after working on a vaporware for the past 9 years. It is a stressful talk and you are better off just making something new. He could be writing the concept for FF XVI or some other spin-off for all we know.
encephalon
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As good a time as any to throw out wild speculations.
Given the elements of type-0s ending mirroring ffxiii's, maybe we can assume there could also have been ideas in versus and type 0 that didn't make it into xiii. Given the Romeo and Juliet angle,
Given the elements of type-0s ending mirroring ffxiii's, maybe we can assume there could also have been ideas in versus and type 0 that didn't make it into xiii. Given the Romeo and Juliet angle,
maybe versus would have ended with Stella and Noctis killing each other much like Rem and Machina (despite ultimately being revived).
YAAAAAAS
Luna is Serah reincarnation in this world and Noctis will find Lightning during his Journey and after ditching Prompto to make room for ha in the group they depart to save Luna/Serah in 15 days before Etro comes and wipe them for god while upbeat J-Pop is playing on the background.
qualitydisc
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Shocking news. I wonder what Amazon will do about my preorder.
"Underwater fighting is hard" is the new "HD towns are hard"
sensui-tomo
Member
Guys, we should be asking the real questions. Like will that abusive couple in the demo carry over to the full retail game. I need more scenes and closure.
There is a lot of over-reactions in this thread. XD
Honestly I'm not surprised that much of Xiii Vs story in being reworked. It's been seven years and most the original staff is gone, changes should be expected.
Besides, the original story was essentially envisioned by Nomura. He doesn't exactly have a good track record with stories.
Honestly I'm not surprised that much of Xiii Vs story in being reworked. It's been seven years and most the original staff is gone, changes should be expected.
Besides, the original story was essentially envisioned by Nomura. He doesn't exactly have a good track record with stories.
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Deleted member 20920
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Damn you FFIX, you could've been good:
Well, since FFXV is "different", think they've abandoned the whole FNC shit? I actually wouldn't mind if they just ditched that shit and aimed for a new "mythology". Sure, Etro is in the logo, but they could just rename her something else. "She's not Etro... she's Somna, the sleeping goddess!".
You just reminded me of that FF Gaiden game that never got made( and got turned into IX)
Dark_castle
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Honestly at this rate, I think SE should seek outside help in writing their games. I don't know, maybe hire Studio Ghibli or something.
KrM DeLorean
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Millsington
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I haven't been closely following development of Versus/FFXV, but I really enjoy the ATR videos. They're funny, fun, and give honest and straightforward answers to concerns and questions from the public about the game.
That art & tech demo was also incredible.
That art & tech demo was also incredible.
There aren't really any games that do underwater fighting well for decades now, so I'm glad they're prioritizing focus on more important aspects. Hopefully we can at least just swim on top of the water during the Leviathan segment like in the 2013 reveal.
DarkLordMalik
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I am not sure if the Leviathan segment will remain the same or be changed drastically. Wasn't it set during the attack on Niflheim and as we have known, Noctis will no longer be in the city when the attack takes place.There aren't really any games that do underwater fighting well for decades now, so I'm glad they're prioritizing focus on more important aspects. Hopefully we can at least just swim on top of the water during the Leviathan segment like in the 2013 reveal.
Tabata wants to make it happen, but who knows if it'll be a playable segment or just a cutscene.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6u3jd4IyMso&t=13m26s
threelights
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Maybe they should just put Monster Hunter's underwater combat there. I mean, that was made by some of the most experienced people in the industry when it comes to combat, right?
Anyway, I hope there's at least swimming in the game. Using water as invisible walls is kinda lame.
Anyway, I hope there's at least swimming in the game. Using water as invisible walls is kinda lame.
TheGreatLugia
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I got a bit confused when Tabata brought up diving and underwater combat. I just assumed when swimming was mentioned previously that they were talking about swimming on top of water and nothing else. I didn't see anyone asking about diving underwater or fighting in water.
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Isn't that Accordo or however the name is spelt?