Agent_Carnage
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Randy just needs to STFU and let someone else talk. He will never admit Aliens CM was crap and he duped anyone who bought it.
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EG interview w/ Randy Pitchford - he's at it again
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the new Neill Blomkamp movie should do just that.
Mr Moose
Member
Makes me not want to buy his games, I was thinking about getting the Borderlands collection as well...
What an arsehole.
lol
What an arsehole.
lol
I think what he's saying makes complete sense? I don't get the outrage.
I haven't played Alien Colonial Marines, nor have I seen the pre-release trailers and gameplay demos.
Edit:
That's it? Those aren't that significant differences and those changes could have been for technical or creative reasons.
Sorry, but with that in mind, what Randy Pitchford's points make sense..
I haven't played Alien Colonial Marines, nor have I seen the pre-release trailers and gameplay demos.
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The last one is mislabeled since the one without the HUD is the demo.
That's it? Those aren't that significant differences and those changes could have been for technical or creative reasons.
Sorry, but with that in mind, what Randy Pitchford's points make sense..
moltonasty
Member
He's still kinda a douche, but do people expect him to say "the game sucks and we lied to you"? Because that would never happen, and now he has the legal proof that his company isn't liable. He admits that he's sorry that people didn't enjoy it, honestly i Feel like that's enough. The game sucked, i doubt he's happy about that. He made some OK points in the interview, i know im supposed to hate him tho.
Imperfected
Member
Yes?
SEGA admitted they've been doing substandard work for the last decade. EA admitted that they were not doing right by consumers and needed to change their approach. Square-Enix came right out and said that the original release of FFXIV was a broken mess, apologized, remade the game, and gave everyone who purchased it a free copy of the new version as well as comping their time.
And those are monolithic, "faceless" publishers who are generally more accountable to their shareholders than consumers. Gearbox (and specifically, Randy Pitchford) certainly could apologize and it probably would help.
EG goofed. RPS created the template for this type of interview when they roasted Peter Moulonrogue. Polite conversation isn't going to end with Mr. Pitchford admitting the game his team made was bad and that it was deliberately misrepresented in previews. Put him on the spot, present him with damning evidence, and watch him squirm.
moltonasty
Member
Well I certainly appreciate that those other companies did right by their fans/customers and owned up to their mistakes. But honestly, they don't have to do anything. They're not your friend, family, loved one, etc. They're all just faceless corporations at the end of the day. It's nice when they do try to appease the fans but they're under no obligation to do so. Don't get me wrong, Randy rubs me the wrong way (lol) but I don't think it's as serious as everyone makes it out to be
Sure, but you already have people whining in this thread about how "hostile" and confrontational the interview was. They need need kiddie gloves with these people.
Well asking him if he's a pathological liar is only gonna make him block you so there is no point to it.
OrlanisWorks
Banned
Those people probably prefer an interview to involve polite questions, some cheeses, a glass of wine, and a handjob.
KojiKnight
Member
His choices extend beyond "There is nothing wrong with the game and it's obvious people are out to get me" and "my game is shit and I'm sorry and I'll refund you everything"...
A simple "Feature creep and too grand of a scope caused us to have to back off of what we initially showed, we should have been more clear on that and we'll try harder in the future" would have changed a LOT of people's opinions on him in a positive way.
People may not like it, but they'd understand it and be more willing to forgive. To have him intentionally double, triple, and quadruple down on his willful ignorance act? It's insulting...
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Deleted member 80556
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I'm sorry, I didn't know that reporters can't do the jobs they're supposed to do. I hope next time they get the memo of being part of the PR machine.
DodgyGeezerFella
Member
You will have to forgive me, as I didn't really pay much attention to the CM release and the negativity around it, but I have seen a fair bit about how Randy seems to be completely oblivious to why people are angry regarding it.
I see from various posts that people are really angry at the graphical downgrade that happened, and from what I had seen previously this was the sticking point too. Thing is, surely it would still have been an utterly shit bag of a game anyway, even if it had kept all those fancy effects ? Or was there other lies that brought on the anger ?
Don't get me wrong, the complaints regarding graphics are legit (its obvious that demo looks better), but was their actually anything .... good (other than that walking alien .gif I saw) about the underlying gameplay ?
I see from various posts that people are really angry at the graphical downgrade that happened, and from what I had seen previously this was the sticking point too. Thing is, surely it would still have been an utterly shit bag of a game anyway, even if it had kept all those fancy effects ? Or was there other lies that brought on the anger ?
Don't get me wrong, the complaints regarding graphics are legit (its obvious that demo looks better), but was their actually anything .... good (other than that walking alien .gif I saw) about the underlying gameplay ?
meanspartan
Member
There are two ways to handle the Aliens CM fiasco:
1. Repeatedly and profusely apologize, slowly earn back trust by making your next few games very good.
2. Say nothing at all about it.
A bad way to handle it:
1. Get defensive and obfuscate clear facts.
And an even WORSE thing than that:
1. Get defensive and obfuscate clear facts TWO FUCKING YEARS LATER.
Why even challenge an interviewer on this? If you are being asked about Aliens CM in an interview about new projects, just say something like "We are disappointed that title was not well received and hope to please our fans this time around".
1. Repeatedly and profusely apologize, slowly earn back trust by making your next few games very good.
2. Say nothing at all about it.
A bad way to handle it:
1. Get defensive and obfuscate clear facts.
And an even WORSE thing than that:
1. Get defensive and obfuscate clear facts TWO FUCKING YEARS LATER.
Why even challenge an interviewer on this? If you are being asked about Aliens CM in an interview about new projects, just say something like "We are disappointed that title was not well received and hope to please our fans this time around".
Objection your honour, that's an insult to perfectly average 5/10 FPS. Even after being 'fixed' A:CM on PC is a pile of shit.
Well, it's boring as fuck, which is worse than anything else.
I had about as much fun with Colonial Marines as Duke Nukem Forever, which was absolutely zero. Both are 5/10 games on days I'm feeling generous.
Funny thing is I actually had fun with Duke Nukem Forever and I consider that just below average though I really liked some of its ideas (the DLC was better in this regard IMO). Colonial Marines has nothing IMO. It's guns, despite the fan service of the pulse rifle sound are terrible, combat overall is terrible, alien AI is terrible, graphics are terrible, story is terrible and extremely bad fan faction writing level etc etc. I honestly can't say much good about it and it doesn't help I think AvP 2010 is genuinely overlooked and does most things better than it. (and even then that game has its issues but I genuinely felt like they at least fucking tried)
Not trying to start an argument or anything like that, just where I'm coming from as an Aliens fan!
I will also fully admit that my salt levels are pretty fuckin high in regards to this case due to being an Aliens fan as well.Kabuki Waq
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I hope ubisoft peeps go through this too.
How? I like direct questions, and these were direct while still remaining a professional approach. Not like that one RPS interview from awhile back.
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
The Carter J Burke of gaming.
TheSpaceBetween
Member
I know we just had a Jimquisition about him yet again, but I feel like we need yet another one.
Darth Tastrophe
Neo Member
Man, I had no idea this guy was so full of himself.
I read most of it, but I felt I had to stop. Reading this guy's words...make me feel that if I ever met him I'd want to just lean in and whisper,
"I don't like youuuuu..."
I liked the first two Borderlands games, moreso the first one, but this guy just makes me want to not buy anything made by Gearbox again.
"I don't like youuuuu..."
I liked the first two Borderlands games, moreso the first one, but this guy just makes me want to not buy anything made by Gearbox again.
Pathfinder
Member
Would you rather people like Randy not be held responsible for misrepresenting their products, then laughing all the way to the bank once he has our money?
The reporter asked questions that needed answering. It's not his fault Randy got all defensive.
I got Colonial Marines for £5, I enjoyed it.
All the time, you see publishers and developers apologize when their products aren't up to the customer's standards. What makes people angry about Randy is that he refuses to acknowledge when standards are not met (other than from a sales or critic standpoint), and pretends that the product is perfect through his eyes. Humility is rewarded, but feigned ignorance and ego are not.
Cave Johnson
Member
For doing his job?
I don't know what people were expecting from this. Admitting Colonial Marines is bad or that it relied on misleading marketing would inherently entail throwing people he worked with on the publishing side of things, if not members of his own team, under the bus.
If he could easily avoid doing that, why expect him to do anything else? His goal is to make sure his company can keep making games.
If he could easily avoid doing that, why expect him to do anything else? His goal is to make sure his company can keep making games.
AHA-Lambda
Member
I've actually only just got the chance to read it in full, and my god he's delusional :-/
Beyond the obvious, there are some things that really stood out for me
His describing of playing with props/sets from the film's when talking about making the game... Uh? Well I'm glad you had fun Randy >_>
His describing the dumb AI as "cos they're bugs. What do you expect flanking manoeuvres?" Well yes? Cos that's what they did in the film?! I thought you were a "fan" Randy? >_>
And his describing the graphics as great... Come the fuck on >_>
Beyond the obvious, there are some things that really stood out for me
His describing of playing with props/sets from the film's when talking about making the game... Uh? Well I'm glad you had fun Randy >_>
His describing the dumb AI as "cos they're bugs. What do you expect flanking manoeuvres?" Well yes? Cos that's what they did in the film?! I thought you were a "fan" Randy? >_>
And his describing the graphics as great... Come the fuck on >_>
Darth_Caedus
No longer canonical
I agree with him, I see nothing wrong with what he was saying. If the dude liked his creation why does he have to get hate for it? Makes no sense.
Yep, another confirmation that man is a delusional, egocentric liar.
Because consumers were tricked by his lies and false marketing? That might have something to do with it...
That's crazy. What's the motivation for telling this made up story to a news outlet? Does he actually believe it? Then it's pathological. How does he have any credibility left after this?
A whole new level compared to Molyneux.
Markitron
Is currently staging a hunger strike outside Gearbox HQ while trying to hate them to death
So you have absolutely no idea what your talking about then? Maybe you should watch an actual video of a before and after instead of basing your opinion on a couple of gifs?
http://www.videogamer.com/videos/al...ll_happened_to_aliens_colonial_marines_2.html
scoobidoo112
Member
What an enormous douche.
*Continues to describe a section of the Demo in precise detail.*
*Continues to describe a section of the Demo in precise detail.*
crazyrabbits
Banned
Press interviews (especially those that are investigative) should be handled on a per-case basis. Molyneux had a history of lies and duplicity, and RPS were well within their rights to call him out on this from the get-go, because the alternative (as you see here) was to softball at the beginning and get progressively more accusatory as time goes on, which rarely works.
People get angry and try to air out their impotent rage against easy targets online, but the moment a publication justifiably takes someone to task from the get-go, they cry that the reporters are being too harsh. You can't have it both ways.
You should call people out with facts, not ad hominems. Who is going to agree to being a pathological liar, especially if they are one?
Neither do I think that beginning with a character assassination is a good way of getting someone to open up.
How did anyone fall for that.
I think Randy Pitchford had some legit issues. Kinda feel bad for him whenever I see him spouting lies now. He must be a very fragile person.
Of course, I'll never buy one of his games again.
crazyrabbits
Banned
Like I said, per-case basis. Molyneux assassinated his own character long before RPS showed up.
BossDarkseid
Member
Perhaps ironically, this thread makes me want to actually play A;CM on steam (have it, enverplayed it).
The point is that attacking someone's character isn't an effective interviewing technique because it causes them to instantly shut down and become defensive. That's OK if the purpose of the interview is just to publicly attack someone, but not so much if you want actual answers.
When I read a few of the early posts in this thread, I thought, "Hey, I followed A:CM news rather closely during development, then bought it at launch, full price, for console no less. I have a personal opinion on it, some unique pre-launch and post-launch experiences, maybe I'll share them."
After reading six pages of this thread, I think it would be very wise to save my take for later. Maybe, what, a decade from now? That's how long it took for the hatred over Daikatana to die down, right?
After reading six pages of this thread, I think it would be very wise to save my take for later. Maybe, what, a decade from now? That's how long it took for the hatred over Daikatana to die down, right?
CaviarMeths
Member
I'm positive it's the later. The way he talks really makes it seem like he can just go to the Bank of Gearbox and make a withdrawal. 'Cuz it's his. And when a shitty game fails to turn a profit, it's not "well gee, that's bad for the company," it's "I lost 15 million dollars and you should feel sorry for me."
When I read a few of the early posts in this thread, I thought, "Hey, I followed A:CM news rather closely during development, then bought it at launch, full price, for console no less. I have a personal opinion on it, some unique pre-launch and post-launch experiences, maybe I'll share them."
After reading six pages of this thread, I think it would be very wise to save my take for later. Maybe, what, a decade from now? That's how long it took for the hatred over Daikatana to die down, right?
I have a low opinion of A:CM overall, but there was still fun to be had with it... even on consoles. In 4 player co-op, certain sections were a griefers nirvana. Using the hand welder to seal other players in a room with an unkillable monstrosity or using them as bait to distract blind, exploding xenomorphs were some of the most enjoyable moments I had with a game that year.
Don't be afraid to share your opinion, half the people shitting on the game have probably never even played it.