IronicallyTwisted
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That's just wishful thinking - socially unacceptable stances are in the eye of the beholder, of course.
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That's just wishful thinking - socially unacceptable stances are in the eye of the beholder, of course.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
No, there is actually a metric we can measure that to. Society. That's why the socially part is there.
OuterLimits
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While Gaf is definitely largely on the left, I do find it hard to believe the majority is quite as large as it appears in off topic discussions. So while it seems to be 99% left support, perhaps the reality is slightly less.(like 80-90%) Perhaps many on the right don't bother posting in the political topics, or very rarely. Of course, some are assholes and get banned.
I do wish more on the right would join the discussions though. Would make the topics and debate more interesting and less of an echo chamber.
Which means he was white.
Squirrel Killer
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Exactly, and when a forum removes members that voice socially unacceptable stances or opinions then that will cause the forum to be skewed towards the side that tends to not attract those types. And I also completely agree that NeoGAF isn't obligated to entertain their opinions or ideals.
HalfBakedProphet
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on which issues? I'm curious
GAF is an international forum and it does generally skew to the left (at least on the United States spectrum) but it isn't quite as far left as it appears, even on Religion. Read any thread on American policing, corrections and race to see evidence of that, you'll find plenty lining up to dismiss one of the largest and wide sweeping injustices this country currently faces. Or any death penalty debate, corporal punishment discussion, animal rights, environmental issues. It's also a predominantly male forum and can be callus towards women's issues if not straight up misogynistic
You'll see all kinds come out of the woodwork to take hardline authoritative views on GAF. Especially from self proclaimed "liberals"
jim-jam bongs
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The reasons are actually well-known:
1) GAF has a global membership. The members outside of the US have influenced the consensus significantly. It isn't that non-Americans are all leftists, but the US is just so brain-damaging far right, that your so called centrist position is something our right parties would agree with.
2) Demographics, the age isn't what really matters though. The degree of education and the experiences in foreign countries are on average higher than your average US citizen.
3) Ban-hammer. No need to explain this.
In general, I don't think GAF is far left, especially in US specific topics the consensus is somewhere between center-right and center.
I thought it was found in a study that the most highly educated people tend conservative.
gutter_trash
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it's pretty clear that the GOP establishment are pulling the rug under Trump and they are going to pull harder since his refusal to pledge to the party in event of him not being the nominee
the want him to flame out sooner than later.
the more steam Trump picks up, the harder it is for the GOP to stop his train.
if Trump hangs on long enough next spring during the primaries, he will have gained enough momentum to establish himself 3rd party in the event John Ellis Bush becomes the GOP nominee
the want him to flame out sooner than later.
the more steam Trump picks up, the harder it is for the GOP to stop his train.
if Trump hangs on long enough next spring during the primaries, he will have gained enough momentum to establish himself 3rd party in the event John Ellis Bush becomes the GOP nominee
The GOP has been showing so much hate and disrespect towards women that this is no surprise. All Trump has been doing this entire time is not holding back and not being pc about things the GOP and Fox News stand for.
I've glossed over several summaries of related studies, and the general consensus isn't surprising: the more intelligent and/or educated a person is, the likelier they are to hold liberal views. Those less intelligent and/or educated are likelier to be conservative, and more likely to be aggressive and view force as an acceptable method of conflict resolution. I suspected this to be the case since authoritarians skew heavily to the right.
Thinking about it it makes sense. If a person is educated and intelligent they're very likely to accept scientific data, facts, etc, as the truths that they are. They're objective and informed, knowledgeable of the systems of society, etc, and that's going to help guide their political beliefs. The less intelligent and/or educated, the more likely they are to not know of these things in the first place or reject them in favor of purely political (and incorrect) notions that confirm their beliefs. Look at the average Fox News viewer.
A weird side note: I also recall a study that found conservatives are generally stronger than liberals. They actually gathered random conservatives and liberals and had them use different workout equipment or strength machines.
If there was ever a study that found the opposite to be true I have never come across it personally. The closest I recall reading is that one study found that the more intelligent and educated, the more a person earned (no surprise). And while these people often expressed liberal views regarding socioeconomic issues, when the chips were down, in private they actually supported conservative views that would keep them "on top".
OuterLimits
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You certainly make good points. Obviously many people often aren't completely on the left or the right. For example, I'm very liberal on gay marriage and abortion, but conservative on taxes, environmental issues/energy, and immigration reform.
I'm more talking about political discussions when it comes to the actual candidates. Even the Republican debate thread probably had very few posts from actual Republicans talking about how they thought the candidates did.
Granted, even though I'm a Republican, I like Gaf and enjoy reading the positions of many on here despite disagreeing with many of them.
speculawyer
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On isidewith.com, I'm almost squarely in the middle. However, Trump interested me early on and when I caught early on that the mainstream media likes to twist what he says, I had the balls to come on here to at times defend him. Most I imagine would stay silent since the politics talk is one sided and it creates a hostile environment here. Pretty much anyone who'd reply to me directly were cool about it even if their viewpoint differed, I'll admit. But most non-liberals wouldn't bother risking being called something nasty, which might be what that "silent majority" talk is about.
Did any of those studies mention age, by chance? Just curious. GAF is probably quite young, with a lot of 20-29 year olds, and I heard (maybe incorrectly) that the older one gets, the more conservative they may become. Something about life in general, or maybe just historic events they experienced.
Rrrrright...I mean sure buddy.
Maybe it was a joke then fools on me
Half-joking. Isn't being a Jew considered an ethnicity? I feel that a lot of the more popular celebrities of jewish origins are indistinguishable from white people.
Yeah. If they're educated and rich they'll probably benefit more from what the right-wing have to offer.
I'm sorry but I can't recall age being referenced in any of the studies I mentioned. About the age of GAF, I'm actually routinely surprised at the ages of some posters (younger or older). It's really hard to tell sometimes on a discussion forum, especially when English is a second language to many. Not to mention, it seems like many young GAF'rs from some European countries are far more mature than me or any of my older American friends. I gave up guessing
I'm sorry but I can't recall age being referenced in any of the studies I mentioned. About the age of GAF, I'm actually routinely surprised at the ages of some posters (younger or older). It's really hard to tell sometimes on a discussion forum, especially when English is a second language to many. Not to mention, it seems like many young GAF'rs from some European countries are far more mature than me or any of my older American friends. I gave up guessing
"Republicans Do Best Among Middle-Aged and Older Americans"
http://www.gallup.com/poll/172439/party-identification-varies-widely-across-age-spectrum.aspx
There's probably not as many 43 to 56 year-olds on the off-topic section of a video game forum as there are younger people. I was a full-on democrat until I hit my 30's. Now I'm not so sure and show up in the middle.
I really don't think that FoxNews allows it's presenters to have an agenda that is not in line with the company's.
Whether you agree with that agenda is not really the point. Facts should be reported as facts, regardless of any agenda that might influence said fact's "interpretation". But sheand other FoxNews employees; in fact, most news presenters anywhere, regardless of political orientationdoes not do that. The latest demonstration of this is the huge amount of factually incorrect statements that went completely unchallenged during the debate.
Uhhhhh, nope, Judaism is a religion like any other so there are chinese jews, ethiopian Jews, white Jews and Arab jews
The whole santa claus thing is pretty embarrassing
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
For the case of jesus though, he was a semitic jew, which is definitely not white.
You are a few years too late for that I'm afraid, posting anything non-left will see the masses descend on you and then an inevitable ban. GAF became one sided a while ago and it's simply too late to do anything about that now.
It's not unusual though, all sites eventually lean towards a specific membership as having a majority of members sharing the same viewpoints and opinions attracts others who share those same viewpoints and drives those who don't away to other sites that in turn share their viewpoints.
I mean...yeah...my point was that being jewish doesn't mean you are white, especially when it comes to jesus, when in that time there were likely no white jews
Morrigan Stark
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lol, what a bunch of martyr complex bullshit.
Yup. This.
You won't be banned for being right-wing. But you might be for espousing views that demean women, gays, trans people or ethnic minorities, and it's not NeoGAF's fault, nor does it mean that NeoGAF has a "lefty agenda", that those views are almost always spouted by right-wingers.
Huh? Do you really believe this?
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Ah, gotcha.
All internet communities in general are like this (except for specific right wing communities obviously).
Look at Reddit or any other large community for example. The internet = information/younger = left.
You're probably right.
Dark Rider
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I recall Megyn Kelly telling kids on live TV on fox that santa claus is white (yes being racist on live TV) and then dodge giving a real apology for it so if she lost her job I'm ok with it because of that
as for Trump he is disgusting and the fact that he is getting people behind him is sad
as for Trump he is disgusting and the fact that he is getting people behind him is sad
I'm really not sure if conservatives are underrepresented in certain places on the 'net (they sure are active on Facebook though), or just don't engage in the political conversation as often because they assume they'll be ostracized or have to argue. I mean, I look back at my posts in this thread and I do kind of come off as a dick towards conservatives in general (I'm trying to be better about this, and honestly don't think negatively of them as individuals). That same vibe is pervasive on Reddit, et al.
Back when I used to traffic heavily on some science-related forums there were actually a lot of conservatives there, but they were all accustomed to heady, high-level debate ( science-related sites and all). So it kind of came with the territory. Here? If I was really conservative I probably wouldn't speak my mind on politics very often out of fear of being banned.
very left-wing only by US standards. There's a whole world out there. Also not agreeing with the batshit crazy GOP doesn't really make people left-wing.
Karsticles
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American conservativism goes hand-in-hand with a "you get what you earn" mentality. Since blacks are overwhelmingly poor and/or imprisoned in the United States, it amounts to something liberals often feel to be a racist perspective.
American conservatives are generally pro-life, which liberals interpret as interfering with a woman's right to control her own body, and it is hence interpreted as misogynistic.
American conservatives are typically Christian, and as the Bible is clearly against homosexuality, they usually follow suit. The spectrum here is more diverse, and ranges from killing gays (very rare) to simply believing them to be sinful individuals, and wishing that the government didn't endorse their lifestyle via embracing gay marriage.
American conservatives are more likely to be nationalistic. They aren't necessarily xenophobic, but the "America, fuck yeah!" stereotype has a strong basis in reality.
These are all just trends; everyone is an individual, and you'll find a lot of conservatives that break from the mold on some of these points (but rarely all of them - if they do, they're probably Libertarians).
Expect to be ostracized.
From an outsider point of view, I always find it funny to browse these threads where someone posts a contrarian view and it always ends up with about 10 quotes he has to respond to.
No he was American. Get your facts straight.
Rimon-hanit
Member
As a middle eastern Jewish man I am thrilled to know I am white, now if I can only figure out what's the cause for all those security pat downs.
Contrarian views aren't a problem when backed with facts and current scientific research results.
This is pretty much the complete opposite.
http://www.people-press.org/2015/04/07/a-deep-dive-into-party-affiliation/
tl;dr, some college shows some effect, college degree shows a bigger effect, and post-graduate degrees show an even bigger effect than undergrad degrees.
It's there and measurable. It depends on field, though, so some (like medical doctors) may be a more even split, but a group like Scientists is like 10:1 Other:Conservative.
jim-jam bongs
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From an insider POV, I always find it funny how often the "outsider" POV espoused in drive-by posts to threads like these echoes that of the right-wing messageboard martyr.
To me the dynamic is rather similar in many other discussion boards. There is a backlash when people post contrarian views in topics related to social justice issues. What happens in these situations is that a lot of people start calling them out and eventually there is a meltdown of sorts. Quite frankly it is much easier to stop such distractions via removing the few people who are going against the flow. At the same time people might not be punished for making offensive comments after an unverified story comes out if the vast majority agree on the issue.
Anyway, can we go back to talking about Trump. I really can't wait for the next poll numbers as I want to see how well he does among conservative women after this debacle.
10 years ago the Conservative party of Canada was against gay rights. Now, they support it (or at least, accept it). Eventually it stopped being about left vs. right but about humane vs. inhumane. Sometimes the right in America so dangerously right that they're lagging behind humanity. So given that GAF is international, maybe it seems to skew American-left because American-right has more internationally crazy, bannable stuff.
30yearsofhurt
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Give it a few more years. The NES era kids will be reaching that demographic.
It's absolutely true. How long have you been lurking here?
Thats a little extreme, GAF is obviously heavy liberal and in my youth I was very liberal but as I get older, some of the things trump says make sense. Also when he talks, he does not come across like Christie, Rubio, Bush or any other career politician.
As far as the incident in question? I don't think it was a period joke or even intentional.
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